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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 28, 2018 12:33:39 GMT -8
Ok somebody smart explain to me how the Pac12 owning its' own network instead of simply selling the rights like the Big 10 is factoring in. I can see operating costs being higher if the conference has a network has direct employees, if there are revenues greater than the income from selling rights ala the B1G. Sounds like pure arrogance on Scott and the CEOs part. No one in their right mind can justify that producing your own broadcasts can ever equal, let alone out produce, selling the rights and having someone else incur all the staff and production costs. They may have all thought that the self production could lead them to selling their broadcasts to multiple outlets, but it didn't happen. Not only that, they still had to sell rights for certain games to Fox and ESPN to make some more money and get every on TV. Failed experiment. They need to admit it and try to recover... down size and see what they can now get by selling the total package. I'm guessing that it would be a pittance compared to doing so initially as the league has no leverage.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 28, 2018 14:00:12 GMT -8
Ok somebody smart explain to me how the Pac12 owning its' own network instead of simply selling the rights like the Big 10 is factoring in. I can see operating costs being higher if the conference has a network has direct employees, if there are revenues greater than the income from selling rights ala the B1G. Sounds like pure arrogance on Scott and the CEOs part. No one in their right mind can justify that producing your own broadcasts can ever equal, let alone out produce, selling the rights and having someone else incur all the staff and production costs. They may have all thought that the self production could lead them to selling their broadcasts to multiple outlets, but it didn't happen. Not only that, they still had to sell rights for certain games to Fox and ESPN to make some more money and get every on TV. Failed experiment. They need to admit it and try to recover... down size and see what they can now get by selling the total package. I'm guessing that it would be a pittance compared to doing so initially as the league has no leverage. The obvious angle that they are hanging onto is that it may not pencil out in now, but in the future it will, then.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 28, 2018 15:00:16 GMT -8
Sounds like pure arrogance on Scott and the CEOs part. No one in their right mind can justify that producing your own broadcasts can ever equal, let alone out produce, selling the rights and having someone else incur all the staff and production costs. They may have all thought that the self production could lead them to selling their broadcasts to multiple outlets, but it didn't happen. Not only that, they still had to sell rights for certain games to Fox and ESPN to make some more money and get every on TV. Failed experiment. They need to admit it and try to recover... down size and see what they can now get by selling the total package. I'm guessing that it would be a pittance compared to doing so initially as the league has no leverage. The obvious angle that they are hanging onto is that it may not pencil out in now, but in the future it will, then. The landscape of content providing, sports broadcasting, etc is changing at a rapid pace. Some leagues, teams, sports have negotiated long-term very lucrative rights agreements. It will be interesting to see whether those turn out to be profitable, or albatrosses. I wouldn't want to be in that business right now. Too many unknowns for me.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 28, 2018 15:01:57 GMT -8
Ok somebody smart explain to me how the Pac12 owning its' own network instead of simply selling the rights like the Big 10 is factoring in. I can see operating costs being higher if the conference has a network has direct employees, if there are revenues greater than the income from selling rights ala the B1G. The Pac-12 still does not have a deal with AT&T. Without that deal, the Pac-12 makes less than the Big Ten and SEC. On top of that, the Pac-12's operating costs are higher than every other conference. So, basically, the Pac-12 is spending more to make less. If the Pac-12 could pull out a deal with AT&T, the Pac-12 has the potential to make more off of the network than the Big Ten and SEC. In summation, everyone who still has AT&T/DirecTV hates Oregon State and is diametrically opposed to the Beavers succeeding. My "Circle of Protection: DirecTV" when I walk through Costco is to put my hand up as soon as they open their mouth and say "No Pac-12 Network is a deal breaker". They just nod and I walk on. Comcast/Dish Network/SlingTV are your main options. And Comcast is, of course, the Devil himself. Fun fact: Dish Network owns Sling TV. if you currently have Dish and want that bill to be cheaper, call them up and say you are going to cancel and move to Sling. They will match Sling's price for a year. I got America's 120 + their sports package+DVR+HD for $40 a month.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 28, 2018 15:40:23 GMT -8
The Pac-12 still does not have a deal with AT&T. Without that deal, the Pac-12 makes less than the Big Ten and SEC. On top of that, the Pac-12's operating costs are higher than every other conference. So, basically, the Pac-12 is spending more to make less. If the Pac-12 could pull out a deal with AT&T, the Pac-12 has the potential to make more off of the network than the Big Ten and SEC. In summation, everyone who still has AT&T/DirecTV hates Oregon State and is diametrically opposed to the Beavers succeeding. My "Circle of Protection: DirecTV" when I walk through Costco is to put my hand up as soon as they open their mouth and say "No Pac-12 Network is a deal breaker". They just nod and I walk on. Comcast/Dish Network/SlingTV are your main options. And Comcast is, of course, the Devil himself. Fun fact: Dish Network owns Sling TV. if you currently have Dish and want that bill to be cheaper, call them up and say you are going to cancel and move to Sling. They will match Sling's price for a year. I got America's 120 + their sports package+DVR+HD for $40 a month. Verizon FiOS/Frontier also carried P12nw
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Post by mallardhunter on Nov 28, 2018 16:02:29 GMT -8
I just figured out what feeling I have that I've seen this situation all before. It's CoverOregon. I don't want to get political because I know that's not what this board is for. But the Pac12 did exactly what the State did in that debacle. They thought they knew better and instead of using the mechanisms that existed (i.e. selling your rights for the most you could get for them) they decided to form their own network and take then entire burden of filling all the time and staffing the whole thing. The result is massively inflated costs, much less distribution than other networks partnered with media giants (SEC/CBS relationship), not to mention that they can't get a deal with DirectTV because they just don't have the leverage. Why should DirectTV bend on their rates with the lack of eyeballs the Pac12 would bring to their subscriber base? The conf. office touts that they own their rights in full and will market them all in 2024. By then, what if the conf. is an afterthought? It will definitely already be $80-100M PER SCHOOL behind other conferences. They'd better hit a home run but I'm not going to hold my breath.
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Post by beaver94 on Nov 28, 2018 16:32:57 GMT -8
All I want from the PAC12 network is the ability to pay a monthly subscription for their online streaming service. I cut the cord a few years ago and have no interest in most of whats on anymore to even make it worth getting something like Sling. Charge me something like $9.99 a month and I'll sign up today.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 29, 2018 8:17:41 GMT -8
I just figured out what feeling I have that I've seen this situation all before. It's CoverOregon. I don't want to get political because I know that's not what this board is for. But the Pac12 did exactly what the State did in that debacle. They thought they knew better and instead of using the mechanisms that existed (i.e. selling your rights for the most you could get for them) they decided to form their own network and take then entire burden of filling all the time and staffing the whole thing. The result is massively inflated costs, much less distribution than other networks partnered with media giants (SEC/CBS relationship), not to mention that they can't get a deal with DirectTV because they just don't have the leverage. Why should DirectTV bend on their rates with the lack of eyeballs the Pac12 would bring to their subscriber base? The conf. office touts that they own their rights in full and will market them all in 2024. By then, what if the conf. is an afterthought? It will definitely already be $80-100M PER SCHOOL behind other conferences. They'd better hit a home run but I'm not going to hold my breath. Eh. Sort of. That $330M failure was a lot more of the good ol' fashion ignorance than it was hubris. People put in charge of it didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground in terms of contracting for an IT build and Oracle took advantage of that to use OHA like a blank checkbook... all while sending the JV squad of developers over here to build. And to be sure, several states attempted to build an exchange. most of them failed as well. The federal site has never been a smoothly functioning one either. Health insurance eligibility is a tough nut to crack, because it has to be built on top of massive rate setting models and dynamically set a premium. Those models are not simple ones. It is an entirely different animal than a company contracting with a business to provide a single rate group plan to all the employees. But I think you could make the same argument. Be it hubris or ignorance. Both decided to do it themselves and both failed at execution.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 29, 2018 9:10:03 GMT -8
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Post by mbabeav on Nov 29, 2018 15:21:45 GMT -8
This sounds like a horrid pyramid scheme with all of us at the bottom, and Larry Scott as the tip, buffered by the Pac-12 CEO's, with nothing in between except the lack of clothing that Emperor Scott is not wearing
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Post by vhalum92 on Nov 29, 2018 15:28:36 GMT -8
He keeps winking in the video.... I have to wonder if that is a "twitch" or if that is intentional....
Canocrapo is right... by pulling the video they are creating more issues and interest.
sigh.
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Post by sagebrush on Nov 29, 2018 15:30:11 GMT -8
Next time warn us that this is some thing by HWSNBN. Although he pretty well hit the nail on the head. But, even a blind pig will find a truffle once in a while.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 29, 2018 15:35:37 GMT -8
Next time warn us that this is some thing by HWSNBN. Although he pretty well hit the nail on the head. But, even a blind pig will find a truffle once in a while. negative. We're all big kids. And I didn't even link directly to o-live. Looks like you made it through okay.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 29, 2018 19:36:30 GMT -8
Next time warn us that this is some thing by HWSNBN. Although he pretty well hit the nail on the head. But, even a blind pig will find a truffle once in a while. Ol' Jon-boy has a major hard-on for "Champagne Larry" and my bet is he will keep stroking it until he gets his Pulitzer or Larry hits the bricks. (Although the chance that neither happens is just as good)
The fruit seems to be hanging pretty low however, or maybe HWSNBN is just a shallow little man.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by bennyorange on Nov 30, 2018 7:54:22 GMT -8
Next time warn us that this is some thing by HWSNBN. Although he pretty well hit the nail on the head. But, even a blind pig will find a truffle once in a while. Ol' Jon-boy has a major hard-on for "Champagne Larry" and my bet is he will keep stroking it until he gets his Pulitzer or Larry hits the bricks. (Although the chance that neither happens is just as good)
The fruit seems to be hanging pretty low however, or maybe HWSNBN is just a shallow little man.
Go Beavs!!
Maybe ?? He is a shallow and arrogant prick but this piece does a pretty good of exposing the disaster they've created for PAC12 athletics - football in particular.
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