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Post by nabeav on Dec 4, 2018 18:09:37 GMT -8
Totally understandable Cagey. You're a good fan, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
My situation is the exact opposite. I'm local, in my late 30's and the 7pm games are a godsend for me. They never interfere with youth sports or other weekend activities, and my kids are old enough to handle the later starts now.
And while I agree that some areas of the stadium are a bit over-priced, I also think there are plenty of avenues to experience the game live for a reasonable price. We have seats in the South EndZone for $155 a ticket for the season. It's in the $25-30 per game range. I believe season tickets in the valley view sections are even cheaper. There's no annual donation required for either of those sections.
Team performance is a real issue. I remember the student lines wrapped around Gill to get seats in the early 2000s. Jonathan Smith is the right guy to connect with Beaver Nation and I feel he has the right personality to be a coach in Corvallis. If he can get us back to playing meaningful November games, I think we can get this thing back around 40K a game.
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Post by cageybeav on Dec 4, 2018 19:25:55 GMT -8
Very much agree about JS.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 4, 2018 20:36:13 GMT -8
Totally understandable Cagey. You're a good fan, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. My situation is the exact opposite. I'm local, in my late 30's and the 7pm games are a godsend for me. They never interfere with youth sports or other weekend activities, and my kids are old enough to handle the later starts now. And while I agree that some areas of the stadium are a bit over-priced, I also think there are plenty of avenues to experience the game live for a reasonable price. We have seats in the South EndZone for $155 a ticket for the season. It's in the $25-30 per game range. I believe season tickets in the valley view sections are even cheaper. There's no annual donation required for either of those sections. Team performance is a real issue. I remember the student lines wrapped around Gill to get seats in the early 2000s. Jonathan Smith is the right guy to connect with Beaver Nation and I feel he has the right personality to be a coach in Corvallis. If he can get us back to playing meaningful November games, I think we can get this thing back around 40K a game. Everyone has reasons. But, a consistently winning team lead by a HC that connects to the school's fan base is #1 for attendance in my opinion. What no-one mentions, if your a top level team in the Pac12 on a consistent basis you typically will get better game times. You're the big game to everyone. I don't care where people sit, or how many games they attend. But, if you're a fan, find a way! Make one game your big weekend for the Fall. When OSU becomes that consistent winner tix will be tougher, higher priced... but, the secondary market will always be there and for the most part cheaper than the ticket dept. Heck, this season a person could have sat in great weather (overall), from end line to end line on the East side, for $185 TOTAL all six games. Travel is huge for some, but again get in a seat once a year or more. Also, IMHO, an upgraded West side is needed, but 47-50k seats is plenty. Make it cozy, make it first class, but keep it in vogue with OSU and it's fan base. Make it so we can possibly fill it, but not so it'll never be filled. Randomness over...
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 4, 2018 20:47:26 GMT -8
Totally understandable Cagey. You're a good fan, don't let anyone tell you otherwise. My situation is the exact opposite. I'm local, in my late 30's and the 7pm games are a godsend for me. They never interfere with youth sports or other weekend activities, and my kids are old enough to handle the later starts now. And while I agree that some areas of the stadium are a bit over-priced, I also think there are plenty of avenues to experience the game live for a reasonable price. We have seats in the South EndZone for $155 a ticket for the season. It's in the $25-30 per game range. I believe season tickets in the valley view sections are even cheaper. There's no annual donation required for either of those sections. Team performance is a real issue. I remember the student lines wrapped around Gill to get seats in the early 2000s. Jonathan Smith is the right guy to connect with Beaver Nation and I feel he has the right personality to be a coach in Corvallis. If he can get us back to playing meaningful November games, I think we can get this thing back around 40K a game. Everyone has reasons. But, a consistently winning team lead by a HC that connects to the school's fan base is #1 for attendance in my opinion. What no-one mentions, if your a top level team in the Pac12 on a consistent basis you typically will get better game times. You're the big game to everyone. I don't care where people sit, or how many games they attend. But, if you're a fan, find a way! Make one game your big weekend for the Fall. When OSU becomes that consistent winner tix will be tougher, higher priced... but, the secondary market will always be there and for the most part cheaper than the ticket dept. Heck, this season a person could have sat in great weather (overall), from end line to end line on the East side, for $185 TOTAL all six games. Travel is huge for some, but again get in a seat once a year or more. Also, IMHO, an upgraded West side is needed, but 47-50k seats is plenty. Make it cozy, make it first class, but keep it in vogue with OSU and it's fan base. Make it so we can possibly fill it, but not so it'll never be filled. Randomness over... I’m hoping that winning brings back the fans. But, I’m not confident. I will give the SEC the ultimate fan trophy. I just don’t think we have the same passion they do. But hey, I have all my own teeth, so I have that going for me, which is nice.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 5, 2018 10:30:43 GMT -8
Put a good product out there and the passion will be there - remember a packed stadium, the Huskies and a horrible call on a Bernard run where there were 45,000 fans ready to storm the field if the Huskies had won on the botched fumble call - now there was passion (as well as a potential riot, never have I been in the midst of so many angry people).
Win and we will fill the stadium (caveat: as long as we are the little conference on the left side that has to play half our games to fill odd time slots on secondary sports networks just to get many of our games on tv, that will be a hindrance.)
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 5, 2018 12:09:21 GMT -8
Everyone has reasons. But, a consistently winning team lead by a HC that connects to the school's fan base is #1 for attendance in my opinion. What no-one mentions, if your a top level team in the Pac12 on a consistent basis you typically will get better game times. You're the big game to everyone. I don't care where people sit, or how many games they attend. But, if you're a fan, find a way! Make one game your big weekend for the Fall. When OSU becomes that consistent winner tix will be tougher, higher priced... but, the secondary market will always be there and for the most part cheaper than the ticket dept. Heck, this season a person could have sat in great weather (overall), from end line to end line on the East side, for $185 TOTAL all six games. Travel is huge for some, but again get in a seat once a year or more. Also, IMHO, an upgraded West side is needed, but 47-50k seats is plenty. Make it cozy, make it first class, but keep it in vogue with OSU and it's fan base. Make it so we can possibly fill it, but not so it'll never be filled. Randomness over... I’m hoping that winning brings back the fans. But, I’m not confident. I will give the SEC the ultimate fan trophy. I just don’t think we have the same passion they do. But hey, I have all my own teeth, so I have that going for me, which is nice. You’re right, and that’s why whoever came up with the SEC’s slogan is a genius. It just means more.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 5, 2018 13:32:14 GMT -8
Just looking at Kentucky's football schedule: They played six games (five at home) at 7:00pm or later. Louisville also played 6 (3 home, 1 neutral site). Virginia Tech played 5.
We played 2 (1 at home).
Everyone plays night games. The Pac-12 isn't getting shafted on kickoff times. Is a problem nationally because east coast people can't watch? Absolutely. But It's not a hindrance to attendance in Oregon any more than it is in Kentucky or Virginia or Florida or anywhere else.
The teams in the Central time zone seem to have it the best. They get all the 11am local kickoffs. But you have to live in the central time zone.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 5, 2018 13:55:56 GMT -8
Just looking at Kentucky's football schedule: They played six games (five at home) at 7:00pm or later. Louisville also played 6 (3 home, 1 neutral site). Virginia Tech played 5. We played 2 (1 at home). Everyone plays night games. The Pac-12 isn't getting shafted on kickoff times. Is a problem nationally because east coast people can't watch? Absolutely. But It's not a hindrance to attendance in Oregon any more than it is in Kentucky or Virginia or Florida or anywhere else. The teams in the Central time zone seem to have it the best. They get all the 11am local kickoffs. But you have to live in the central time zone. All you have to do is note all of the nationally broadcast sporting events in ALL sports that start at 5:00 or 5:30pm PACIFIC time. Those games are starting 8:00 or 8:30pm on the home fields of those East coast teams. I believe most of us can remember when Monday Night Football was a 6pm Pacific time kickoff (and when they used to play it on tape delay on KATU at 7pm). Those games started at 9pm on the East coast. Late night sporting events is not a new phenomenon, and we've got it much better here in the Pacific time zone than the fans on the East coast.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 5, 2018 13:59:25 GMT -8
It's not just the time, it is the time relative to the rest of the country, and even more, it is the Thursday and Friday (unless preempted by a pickup truck race) scheduling. Conference Title game on TV? You have to play it on Friday if you want it to air at all..
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 5, 2018 15:56:46 GMT -8
You ever been to Kentucky in September? You'd play at night, too.
The SEC has a long history of night games, mostly weather-mandated. The Pac-12 does not, outside of Arizona and SC.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 5, 2018 20:02:26 GMT -8
You ever been to Kentucky in September? You'd play at night, too. The SEC has a long history of night games, mostly weather-mandated. The Pac-12 does not, outside of Arizona and SC. And ASU, which chooses to play all their early season games at night.
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 6, 2018 11:04:22 GMT -8
I think this is a problem for any school where the majority of the active fan base resides well outside the community where the school is at. In parts of the country, it's not as big a problem because of the relative motivation of the fans - their social life revolves around their teams, but we have a smaller pool of fans with a wider variety of foci. For me it is the decision to accept Friday and Thursday games on a regular basis to eek out a more frequent tv presence that distorts things more than the game time of a Saturday game. Workdays and game days don't mix very well.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Dec 6, 2018 12:19:15 GMT -8
Everyone has reasons. But, a consistently winning team lead by a HC that connects to the school's fan base is #1 for attendance in my opinion. What no-one mentions, if your a top level team in the Pac12 on a consistent basis you typically will get better game times. You're the big game to everyone. I don't care where people sit, or how many games they attend. But, if you're a fan, find a way! Make one game your big weekend for the Fall. When OSU becomes that consistent winner tix will be tougher, higher priced... but, the secondary market will always be there and for the most part cheaper than the ticket dept. Heck, this season a person could have sat in great weather (overall), from end line to end line on the East side, for $185 TOTAL all six games. Travel is huge for some, but again get in a seat once a year or more. Also, IMHO, an upgraded West side is needed, but 47-50k seats is plenty. Make it cozy, make it first class, but keep it in vogue with OSU and it's fan base. Make it so we can possibly fill it, but not so it'll never be filled. Randomness over... I’m hoping that winning brings back the fans. But, I’m not confident. I will give the SEC the ultimate fan trophy. I just don’t think we have the same passion they do. But hey, I have all my own teeth, so I have that going for me, which is nice. Agree with this 100%. Lots of schools in the Pac-12 have trouble filling their football and basketball stadiums (UCLA, Cal/Stanford, Colorado, OSU, etc.) where in the SEC no matter how their team is doing every game is a sellout. The atmospheres are vastly different as well, in the SEC, EVERY game the crowd is electric the entire game. Here, I can't remember the last time we had a game where our fans were into creating an electric atmosphere from start to finish (2008 USC maybe?). Part of that has to do with team performance and other factors, but I just don't think OSU fans or students collectively have ever had that same passion to truly create an atmosphere that can spark energy in the team or attract recruits that want to play in that type of environment with regularity. Our fans seem to always have to be encouraged by the PA announcer, or players on the field, or WT throwing his jacket, etc. before they even think about making noise throughout a game.
I also agree with other posters that we have had such an atmosphere at some games at times, however they seem to be more isolated incidents now rather than what has been or will be the norm. Hopefully an improvement in the W/L department can help that, but a rambunctious crowd that fire up a team can also help contribute to more Ws at home rather than just sitting around waiting for something to cheer about.
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