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Post by messi on Aug 13, 2019 12:00:17 GMT -8
Through the power of anonymity, Pac-12 coaches open up with how they feel about the other teams in conference. Athlon Sports |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 12:24:42 GMT -8
Through the power of anonymity, Pac-12 coaches open up with how they feel about the other teams in conference. Athlon SportsThat's not "coaches". It's coach. For the P12North teams You notice how the verbiage and terminology and tone is very similiar from take to take? There's 1 dude in the north who is opinionated like that and willing to spill the beans under cover of darkness. Let me give you a hint:  HAR MATEY! As for what Lea.. I mean The Coaches say about Oregon State, basically that's a lazy take. Talking about Riley? Hell, even us 24-7 wackos got over Riley a long time ago so we could be obsessed about Captain Underpants. Beavs will make mr. Athlon Deepthroat look silly if they just execute on offense, have decent special teams and always be aggressors on D. The southern D big mouth (and Washington State opinionator) i think is probably Chimp belly because i cant imagine each of the other coaches down there talking a mile a minute. Some of those takes look as if they were edited for brevity  There is also the possibility Athlon is ghostwriting these or embellishing the takes by a mile. Don't put it past them, it is ATHLON after all. |
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Post by giantkillers83 on Aug 13, 2019 17:45:18 GMT -8
Mike never shies from a quote..... unfortunately, he also wins games...... in the middle of nowhere.... with no money.
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Post by seastape on Aug 13, 2019 19:16:57 GMT -8
Mike never shies from a quote..... unfortunately, he also wins games...... in the middle of nowhere.... with no money. He was a bold hire that has worked greet for WSU...I'm happy for them. They've actually had an impressive history considering the disadvantages they have. They've had good coaches do good things. |
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Post by shelby on Aug 13, 2019 20:35:46 GMT -8
I also think they ( WSU), has a big edge when it comes to getting barely qualified athletes into school. I know of two instances ( one a relative, not a close one ), that sleep walked their way into that program.
They get some great talent and are not afraid to take a risk with some of them.
I know this is generalizing, and we also have taken a flyer on some kids in the past. The difference being that after a lot of thumping our chest - our risky bets never see the playing field. WSU seems to have a greased path.
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Post by nexus73 on Aug 13, 2019 21:56:09 GMT -8
I also think they ( WSU), has a big edge when it comes to getting barely qualified athletes into school. I know of two instances ( one a relative, not a close one ), that sleep walked their way into that program. They get some great talent and are not afraid to take a risk with some of them. I know this is generalizing, and we also have taken a flyer on some kids in the past. The difference being that after a lot of thumping our chest - our risky bets never see the playing field. WSU seems to have a greased path. Some of Wazzu's quality of play comes from a good coaching staff. It is enjoyable to watch the Cougs unless they are playing us. Unfortunately they cannot get over the hump with the Huskies. |
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Post by shelby on Aug 14, 2019 5:22:10 GMT -8
Totally agree on the enjoyabity. You know what is coming, every play, and you still cannot stop it.
Their QB’s put up some insane numbers, but, their NFL chances are not there because the athletes and defensive schemes, at that level, can blanket the receiver and handle the speed.
At the college level, in the Leach system , he amazingly gets a guy totally functional and productive in such a short time period, it makes other coaches and programs look like dinosaurs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 6:12:30 GMT -8
Totally agree on the enjoyabity. You know what is coming, every play, and you still cannot stop it. Their QB’s put up some insane numbers, but, their NFL chances are not there because the athletes and defensive schemes, at that level, can blanket the receiver and handle the speed. At the college level, in the Leach system , he amazingly gets a guy totally functional and productive in such a short time period, it makes other coaches and programs look like dinosaurs. What would happen if, one year, the qb position just didnt develop for Leach? Either through bad luck or injuries the cougs dont have a reliable arm to complete 25 passes a game? Kinda knocks them off the rails. And if that happens when they also replace a lot of defensive players, Leach is going to lose his s%#t. Thats enjoyability i want to see for them. i hold no awe for that team. Try to remember it wasn't that long ago the cougs were an easy mark for the win column, almost a working bye week. Then Leach came in and immediately set his sights on taking down a soft and crumbling Riley team living off it's past successes. That was one of Leach's first big wins in the P12. And even now they are only a couple of rungs up the P12North ladder. Beavs as a program need to grab that rung back. |
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Post by shelby on Aug 14, 2019 8:18:42 GMT -8
Yes, my wish also - however, looking at the state of each of those programs today - it is not easy OR enjoyable to watch a Beaver football game.
They either get blown out, or play just well enough to lose a close one, Then we get all of the ‘coach speak’, which I equate to TV’s talking heads. These are comments directed at hyping both teams and the sport itself. Isn’t it amazing that when you have four TV commentators, two choose the 6 touchdown favorite and two choose the underdog ( ahh - I guess I will have to watch every play... because there is ‘a chance’. How often does that pan out ?
It’s like they go to a broadcasting school that only teaches
‘ football and broadcast economics - it’s okay to hype whatever you need to say to capture and hold an audience’
Sorry guys/ gals - pretty easy to see through that ‘spin’. Losing coaches do the same thing. “I am so proud of these kids, they just never quit... yes, we lost by 9 touchdowns, but a play here and there, and we could have put this in the win column”.
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 14, 2019 10:30:38 GMT -8
I also think they ( WSU), has a big edge when it comes to getting barely qualified athletes into school. I know of two instances ( one a relative, not a close one ), that sleep walked their way into that program. They get some great talent and are not afraid to take a risk with some of them. I know this is generalizing, and we also have taken a flyer on some kids in the past. The difference being that after a lot of thumping our chest - our risky bets never see the playing field. WSU seems to have a greased path. I have BEAT this horse to death in the past, but the OSU Registrar office is one of the toughest opponents OSU Football faced under Riley. Every year we seemed to be at first and goal with some big transfer only to get stuffed at the goal line on fourth down each and every time. Riley was never willing to lower himself to press on the Admin to make it happen, right or wrong he practiced what he preached. It will be interesting to watch how it goes under Coach Smith and could be a determining factor in his success. I read the article fully and didn't see anything about OSU I would disagree with. One thing I think is interesting that wasn't in the forefront of my mind is what is the OSU "IDENTITY" Maybe Coach Smith will develop that once there is some success or at least consistency under our belts. |
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Post by shelby on Aug 14, 2019 10:59:30 GMT -8
Understood. They definitely need some new thinking in that Department
Seems to me that every situation needs to be judged and handled on an individual basis. Here are ‘some’ options -
1) Hard look at all the facts and data, make a team decision that is in the best interest of the athlete and within all published guidelines
2) Understand all issues regarding an athlete, before you offer, and construct a plan that has a strong precedent and a strong chance of succeeding. That plan must be ‘aggressively’ followed by both the athlete and a mentor - combined with strong legal advice ( third party counsel )
3) If a situation is obviously outside even a gray area on the potential eligibility - don’t even offer, or waste everyone’s time
4) If purely an academic issue, then vet the problem, and solution, until a team is satisfied that a positive decision can be reached and supported
I, personally, am more concerned about character issues because the Academic support the athletes get actually improves at the University level, Thise types of turnarounds are more common than we think.
Also, unfortunately, there are curriculum’s that pretty much
Guarantee success for students that, let’s say, are not that motivated.
Would love to see a tell all book written about some of the antics from both the school and the student’s perspective.
Contrasting the above with another athletic failure is the baseball draft. You sign straight out of high school, get a small bonus and zero education !
In college football, they STOP kids from even getting an opportunity to get an education.
I wish the NCAA could actually embrace the idea of ‘student athletes’.
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 14, 2019 11:23:25 GMT -8
Understood. They definitely need some new thinking in that Department Seems to me that every situation needs to be judged and handled on an individual basis. Here are ‘some’ options - 1) Hard look at all the facts and data, make a team decision that is in the best interest of the athlete and within all published guidelines 2) Understand all issues regarding an athlete, before you offer, and construct a plan that has a strong precedent and a strong chance of succeeding. That plan must be ‘aggressively’ followed by both the athlete and a mentor - combined with strong legal advice ( third party counsel ) 3) If a situation is obviously outside even a gray area on the potential eligibility - don’t even offer, or waste everyone’s time 4) If purely an academic issue, then vet the problem, and solution, until a team is satisfied that a positive decision can be reached and supported I, personally, am more concerned about character issues because the Academic support the athletes get actually improves at the University level, Thise types of turnarounds are more common than we think. Also, unfortunately, there are curriculum’s that pretty much Guarantee success for students that, let’s say, are not that motivated. Would love to see a tell all book written about some of the antics from both the school and the student’s perspective. Contrasting the above with another athletic failure is the baseball draft. You sign straight out of high school, get a small bonus and zero education ! In college football, they STOP kids from even getting an opportunity to get an education. I wish the NCAA could actually embrace the idea of ‘student athletes’. I only know from my own experience and others I went to school with. I came in as like a sophmore, had some JuCo college credits from my Army time and a year of credits from Community College in Oregon. OSU Registrar FOUGHT tooth and nail with me. First they cut like 40% of my credits like 60% from JuCo and a few from a college just down the road for christsakes. Then I went back in for another review and they gave me more credits, then I had to bring them copies of syllabus' from some of the challenged courses and how much class room instruction, most of it I was able to get by contacting my old instructors, but I am an organized person, focused on my education. All this and I had like a 3.86 GPA. My HS GPA was 4.0. It was several years earlier, but I had a well above average SAT from HS as well. My point is they really tried to find reasons for even a good student not to be let into OSU, or to make me retake classes at OSU. I am not surprised they give no quarter to out of state community college and JUCO students and their credits. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 11:31:21 GMT -8
Understood. They definitely need some new thinking in that Department Seems to me that every situation needs to be judged and handled on an individual basis. Here are ‘some’ options - 1) Hard look at all the facts and data, make a team decision that is in the best interest of the athlete and within all published guidelines 2) Understand all issues regarding an athlete, before you offer, and construct a plan that has a strong precedent and a strong chance of succeeding. That plan must be ‘aggressively’ followed by both the athlete and a mentor - combined with strong legal advice ( third party counsel ) 3) If a situation is obviously outside even a gray area on the potential eligibility - don’t even offer, or waste everyone’s time 4) If purely an academic issue, then vet the problem, and solution, until a team is satisfied that a positive decision can be reached and supported I, personally, am more concerned about character issues because the Academic support the athletes get actually improves at the University level, Thise types of turnarounds are more common than we think. Also, unfortunately, there are curriculum’s that pretty much Guarantee success for students that, let’s say, are not that motivated. Would love to see a tell all book written about some of the antics from both the school and the student’s perspective. Contrasting the above with another athletic failure is the baseball draft. You sign straight out of high school, get a small bonus and zero education ! In college football, they STOP kids from even getting an opportunity to get an education. I wish the NCAA could actually embrace the idea of ‘student athletes’. I only know from my own experience and others I went to school with. I came in as like a sophmore, had some JuCo college credits from my Army time and a year of credits from Community College in Oregon. OSU Registrar FOUGHT tooth and nail with me. First they cut like 40% of my credits like 60% from JuCo and a few from a college just down the road for christsakes.Then I went back in for another review and they gave me more credits, then I had to bring them copies of syllabus' from some of the challenged courses and how much class room instruction, most of it I was able to get by contacting my old instructors, but I am an organized person, focused on my education. All this and I had like a 3.86 GPA. My HS GPA was 4.0. It was several years earlier, but I had a well above average SAT from HS as well. My point is they really tried to find reasons for even a good student not to be let into OSU, or to make me retake classes at OSU. I am not surprised they give no quarter to out of state community college and JUCO students and their credits. let's see, if i go "down" the road i pretty much don't run into a "college" until i get to... that was your first mistake. |
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Post by biggieorange on Aug 14, 2019 11:54:58 GMT -8
I only know from my own experience and others I went to school with. I came in as like a sophmore, had some JuCo college credits from my Army time and a year of credits from Community College in Oregon. OSU Registrar FOUGHT tooth and nail with me. First they cut like 40% of my credits like 60% from JuCo and a few from a college just down the road for christsakes.Then I went back in for another review and they gave me more credits, then I had to bring them copies of syllabus' from some of the challenged courses and how much class room instruction, most of it I was able to get by contacting my old instructors, but I am an organized person, focused on my education. All this and I had like a 3.86 GPA. My HS GPA was 4.0. It was several years earlier, but I had a well above average SAT from HS as well. My point is they really tried to find reasons for even a good student not to be let into OSU, or to make me retake classes at OSU. I am not surprised they give no quarter to out of state community college and JUCO students and their credits. let's see, if i go "down" the road i pretty much don't run into a "college" until i get to... that was your first mistake. We all do dumb $hit in our 20's |
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Post by beaverinohio on Aug 14, 2019 12:32:36 GMT -8
Not to be crazy and bring the discussion back to the original post, but I didn't read anything about the Beavers in that article with which I'd disagree -- whether quotes are just from one coach or several.
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HAR MATEY! 
