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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 14, 2019 14:44:11 GMT -8
Mike never shies from a quote..... unfortunately, he also wins games...... in the middle of nowhere.... with no money. He was a bold hire that has worked greet for WSU...I'm happy for them. They've actually had an impressive history considering the disadvantages they have. They've had good coaches do good things. The story of the success of Oregon, UCLA, and Washington State is a story of abject failure for Oregon State. 1975. Oregon State looking for a coach. The finalists are 49ers assistant coach and Oregon State graduate, Rich Brooks; UCLA assistant coach, Terry Donahue; and USC assistant coach, Craig Fertig. Oregon State made the wrong decision and hired Fertig. Dick Vermeil left UCLA to coach Philadelphia. UCLA quickly hired Donahue, because duh. Donahue immediately hired Rich Brooks to serve as an assistant coach, because duh. Over the next 20 years, UCLA won five Pac-8/10 titles, 16 winning seasons, won three Rose Bowls (in four years), should have won an additional Rose Bowl but for an ill-advised scramble by Wayne Cook that handed Wisconsin the game, tied #8 Arkansas in the 1978 Fiesta Bowl, beat #14 Miami in the 1985 Fiesta Bowl, beat #8 Arkansas in the 1989 Cotton Bowl, beat Florida in the 1987 Aloha Bowl, beat Illinois in the 1991 John Hancock Bowl, led UCLA to three other bowl games, went 9-2 and finished #13 in the country on probation (same year Oregon State was on probation, not that it mattered) in 1980. (UCLA won the Mirage Bowl against Oregon State 34-3 in 1980, the most lopsided victory in the 27-year history of the Mirage Bowl.) Donahue won five consecutive times against USC, a feat unequaled in UCLA's history. Donahue went 12-3 against Oregon State. Two of the three losses were in seasons that UCLA finished with a losing record. The other was in the 1978 Fiesta Bowl season. Donahue resigned after taking over the all-time Pacific Coast Conference/Pac-8/Pac-10 lead in most conference victories. Offensive Coordinator, Bob Toledo took over and won the Pac-10 in 1997 and 1998, winning the Cotton Bowl in 1998 and losing the Rose Bowl in 1999. In 1976, Oregon fired Don Read. And then immediately hired Brooks to replace him. In year three, Brooks led the Ducks to their first winning season in a decade and, the next year, the first consecutive winning seasons since the early 60s. After seven seasons, Brooks went 24-49-4 (.333). After that point, Brooks went 67-60, finishing at least 5-6 every year but one (between 1971-1998, Oregon State never finished better than 4-6-1). In 1989, Brooks led the Ducks to their best season in more than a quarter century, winning the Independence Bowl. Five years later, Brooks led the Ducks to their first ever outright conference title. (Oregon won the 1919 Pacific Coast Conference Championship on tiebreakers and finished second to Oregon State in 1957 but went to the Rose Bowl, because of the Pacific Coast Conference's no-repeat rule. Oregon had also lost on tiebreakers in 1933 and 1948.) After Donahue passed on the job, Brooks took over the St. Louis Rams. Brooks went 14-3-1 against Oregon State in his 18 years. Offensive Coordinator Mike Bellotti replaced him and won two Pac-10 titles, winning the Holiday and Fiesta Bowls in the process. Oregon also played in a Cotton Bowl and played in nine other bowls in a 14-year period, only posting a losing season in 2004. Bellotti's offensive coordinator, Chip Kelly, replaced him and won four conference championships, winning a Rose and Fiesta Bowl and losing another Rose Bowl and the National Championship Game at the Fiesta Bowl. Kelly's offensive coordinator, Mark Helfrich replaced him. In two years, Helfrich won the Rose Bowl but lost the inaugural College Football Playoff National Championship Game. The history of Washington State football is 50 years of terrible followed by 25 years of not. Jim Sweeney resigned at Washington State following the 1975 season. (He famously lost to the Oregon State in 1975, Dee Andros' last home game. After overhearing that someone was having a bad day, he was heard to say something along the lines of, "How do you think that I feel? I just lost to the worst team in America.") Sweeney was replaced by Jackie Sherrill, who, probably most famously, discovered and groomed Dan Marino at Pittsburgh, winning consecutive National Championships. Sherrill quit after one year to coach Pittsburgh and was replaced by Warren Powers, an assistant at Nebraska. Powers coached for a single season before bolting for Missouri. Powers' offensive backfield coach, Jim Walden replaced him. In his fourth season, Walden led Washington State to its first bowl game in more than a half century, a 38-36 loss to Jim McMahon's BYU. Walden won Pac-10 Coach of the Year honors. From 1982-1985, Washington State won three of four Apple Cups for the only time between 1954 and 2007 under Walden. Sweeney's staff in 1975 included both Jack Elway and Dennis Erickson. Erickson followed Elway to San Jose State in 1979, where Erickson learned the spread offense. In 1980, Mike Price beat out longtime rival Dennis Erickson for the head coach at Weber State. (The two went to the same high school, Price a year older than Erickson.) Erickson got the head coaching job at Idaho the next year. In 1984, Oregon State fired Joe Avezzano. Dee Andros wanted to hire Dennis Erickson, the head coach at Idaho, the most qualified coach in the region. Brand new President John Byrne (he was only hired in November) stalled. Andros started to badmouth Byrne to the press for not pulling the trigger on the obvious choice. Byrne stalled more. Washington media mocked the administration situation at Oregon State. Erickson ultimately got sick of waiting and withdrew his name. Sam Boghosian also withdrew his name, and Price was uninterested due to the obvious problems in the administration at Oregon State. Andros and Byrne scrambled to hire Dave Kragthorpe out of retirement, Kragthorpe having not coached for more than two years. Byrne fired Andros by "promoting" Andros to a position and then eliminating the position after two years. In 1986, Walden quit Washington State to coach at Iowa State. Erickson, an obvious choice in 1984, was even more obvious in 1986. Erickson beat out Price for the spot. Erickson coached two years, leading Washington State to its first bowl victory in more than 70 years. Erickson quit the next Spring and Washington State hired the obvious replacement, Price. Price lived off of the recruiting echoes of Erickson. Four years later, Price led Washington State to a 9-3 record, #15 ranking, and Copper Bowl win. Five years later, Price led Washington State to 10-2 record, #9 ranking, Pac-10 Championship, and Rose Bowl berth. Five years later, Price led Washington State to a 10-3 record, #10 ranking, Pac-10 Championship, and Rose Bowl berth. Price also won an Alamo Bowl and a Sun Bowl but, otherwise, never finished better than sixth in conference, finishing with more losing seasons than winning seasons. Washington State hired Price's asistant head coach and defensive coordinator, Bill Doba to replace him. Doba immediately finished second in the Pac-10 and won the Holiday Bowl over Texas, finishing ninth in the country. After that, Washington State put together 11 straight non-winning seasons (10 losing and one 6-6 in 2006). In Mike Leach's fourth year (2015), Washington State finally broke out, going 9-4, 8-5, 9-4, and 11-2, winning the Alamo and Sun Bowls and losing two Holiday Bowls.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2019 15:12:24 GMT -8
He was a bold hire that has worked greet for WSU...I'm happy for them. They've actually had an impressive history considering the disadvantages they have. They've had good coaches do good things. The story of the success of Oregon, UCLA, and Washington State is a story of abject Mr. Wilkydagropenutz, I stopped reading your post at "abject" because I hate that word and you disappoint me. Your excellent research and well footnoted bibliography would make fine off season reading but the WPheiny clock is t minus 17 days and all you and others want to do is talk failure history. I got some history for ya. The last time Oregon State had US presidents playing major roles in the same position group, they went on a rampage that would roll over ANY college team in America if they had the conference championship games and playoff system they have now. Presidents Grant and Jackson then. Defensive Ends Presidents Pierce and Jefferson, RB. Now. These players and coaches are not going to play and coach in the past. They expect good things to happen, and they will make them happen. In two weeks and a couple of sleeps new challenges will smack beaver nation in the face and fans will see a new story good, bad or crazy. Dont make me spend an hour looking for baseball111's (RIP) legendary halftime brimstone and hellfire come to jesus rain delay post from the UW college world series game in 2018 to get you sad sacks fired up...
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Post by korculabeav on Aug 15, 2019 9:02:11 GMT -8
Disagree that is mostly Leach or any one coach making all those assessments on OSU. Those are definitely different coaches providing feedback. Awhile many of those comments are hard to hear, they do highlight the challenges, disadvantages and state of affairs in Corvallis. They are being honest about the tough journey ahead back to consistency and winning.
The only comment that was moronic was "The defense was really bad. You could pretty much do anything you wanted to schematically, and they were thin so they couldn't really get aggressive or physical with you."
Really Captain Obvious? What a stupid thing to say. Of course that unit was bad. How about make a more intrinsic or analytical comment like the other perspectives made by the other coaches.
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Post by baseba1111 on Aug 15, 2019 10:01:19 GMT -8
The story of the success of Oregon, UCLA, and Washington State is a story of abject Mr. Wilkydagropenutz, I stopped reading your post at "abject" because I hate that word and you disappoint me. Your excellent research and well footnoted bibliography would make fine off season reading but the WPheiny clock is t minus 17 days and all you and others want to do is talk failure history. I got some history for ya. The last time Oregon State had US presidents playing major roles in the same position group, they went on a rampage that would roll over ANY college team in America if they had the conference championship games and playoff system they have now. Presidents Grant and Jackson then. Defensive Ends Presidents Pierce and Jefferson, RB. Now. These players and coaches are not going to play and coach in the past. They expect good things to happen, and they will make them happen. In two weeks and a couple of sleeps new challenges will smack beaver nation in the face and fans will see a new story good, bad or crazy. Dont make me spend an hour looking for baseball111's (RIP) legendary halftime brimstone and hellfire come to jesus rain delay post from the UW college world series game in 2018 to get you sad sacks fired up... Lol... yeah. History and analytics/stats are the causal/ message board "fans'" typical go to. There are no stats, analytics, or "history" that takes the place of fans seeing practices, games, and coming to their own personal conclusions. No amount of "data" can predict the future of athletic events that are so humanly dependent. And, no amount of the same info spewed on message boards can dishearten those looking forward to the next season. Go Beavs!
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 15, 2019 11:49:08 GMT -8
The story of the success of Oregon, UCLA, and Washington State is a story of abject Mr. Wilkydagropenutz, I stopped reading your post at "abject" because I hate that word and you disappoint me. Your excellent research and well footnoted bibliography would make fine off season reading but the WPheiny clock is t minus 17 days and all you and others want to do is talk failure history. I got some history for ya. The last time Oregon State had US presidents playing major roles in the same position group, they went on a rampage that would roll over ANY college team in America if they had the conference championship games and playoff system they have now. Presidents Grant and Jackson then. Defensive Ends Presidents Pierce and Jefferson, RB. Now. These players and coaches are not going to play and coach in the past. They expect good things to happen, and they will make them happen. In two weeks and a couple of sleeps new challenges will smack beaver nation in the face and fans will see a new story good, bad or crazy. Dont make me spend an hour looking for baseball111's (RIP) legendary halftime brimstone and hellfire come to jesus rain delay post from the UW college world series game in 2018 to get you sad sacks fired up... I am reminded of the start of the great video that thomasg86 put up of the 2004 season (since partially ruined by a copyright claim): I am not going to forget Bi-Mart two-for-one tickets and a still almost completely empty (except for visiting fan section) Parker Stadium. That neither diminishes nor adds to my excitement for the upcoming season. I want Oregon State to succeed. I expect great things out of the offense. I am excited to see what Smitty has cooked up. From what I hear, the defense will be much improved from last year. We should all (or at least 99% of us) be hype for 2019 Oregon State football. Any past failures for Oregon State are exactly that, in the past. We should be excited about the future, but we should be able to have a dispassionate conversation about the past, regardless of whether the season opener is nine months away or is tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2019 12:02:52 GMT -8
Mr. Wilkydagropenutz, I stopped reading your post at "abject" because I hate that word and you disappoint me. Your excellent research and well footnoted bibliography would make fine off season reading but the WPheiny clock is t minus 17 days and all you and others want to do is talk failure history. I got some history for ya. The last time Oregon State had US presidents playing major roles in the same position group, they went on a rampage that would roll over ANY college team in America if they had the conference championship games and playoff system they have now. Presidents Grant and Jackson then. Defensive Ends Presidents Pierce and Jefferson, RB. Now. These players and coaches are not going to play and coach in the past. They expect good things to happen, and they will make them happen. In two weeks and a couple of sleeps new challenges will smack beaver nation in the face and fans will see a new story good, bad or crazy. Dont make me spend an hour looking for baseball111's (RIP) legendary halftime brimstone and hellfire come to jesus rain delay post from the UW college world series game in 2018 to get you sad sacks fired up... I am reminded of the start of the great video that thomasg86 put up of the 2004 season (since partially ruined by a copyright claim): I am not going to forget Bi-Mart two-for-one tickets and a still almost completely empty (except for visiting fan section) Parker Stadium. That neither diminishes nor adds to my excitement for the upcoming season. I want Oregon State to succeed. I expect great things out of the offense. I am excited to see what Smitty has cooked up. From what I hear, the defense will be much improved from last year. We should all (or at least 99% of us) be hype for 2019 Oregon State football. Any past failures for Oregon State are exactly that, in the past. We should be excited about the future, but we should be able to have a dispassionate conversation about the past, regardless of whether the season opener is nine months away or is tomorrow. Well said, and without any facts. Bi Mart stadium. Kinda has a ring to it.
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