BeaverNut23
Freshman
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 10, 2019 19:16:12 GMT -8
Anyone know what the beavers current defensive ranking is out of the entire FBS, and where I can find it?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 10, 2019 20:03:53 GMT -8
It ain't pretty, but we're ahead of Arizona. www.espn.com/college-football/statistics/team/_/stat/total/position/defenseI wouldn't pay any attention to these stats until about halfway through the season. If they were rated by schedule strength our numbers would look better so far. That 1st game skews things. They are likely going to have several 50-ish point games this season. Football Outsiders, who does some interesting stat tracking, doesn't even touch some >defensive efficiency stats til after week 7. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 10, 2019 20:24:14 GMT -8
Don’t feed the Nut. He’s nuts.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 11, 2019 13:43:10 GMT -8
Scoring Defense: 124 (11th in Pac-12 between Colorado and Arizona)
Total Defense: 125 (12th in Pac-12, two spots behind 123rd-best Arizona)
Passing Efficiency Defense: 116 (11th in Pac-12 between Colorado and UCLA)
Passing Defense: 118 (12th in Pac-12, nine spots behind 109th-best UCLA)
Rushing Defense: 120 (12th in Pac-12, 25 spots behind 95th-best USC)
FPI rankings:
Offense: 54 (8th in Pac-12 between Washington and Stanford)
Defense: 120 (12th in Pac-12, eight spots behind 112th-best Arizona)
Special Teams: 21 (2nd in Pac-12 between Washington and Arizona State)
Sack Yardage: 70 (10th in Pac-12 between California and UCLA)
Passes Defended: 122 (tied with Colorado for the cellar)
Sacks are up so far. One turnover per game is also an improvement. Good things to build on there. We need to do pretty much everything else better, or the offense had better be elite.
On the other side of the ball:
Scoring Offense: 63 (8th in Pac-12 between Utah and Arizona State)
Total Offense: 57 (6th in Pac-12 between Washington and Arizona State)
Rushing Offense: 35 (3rd in Pac-12 between Washington State and Utah)
Third Down Percentage: 28 (1st in Pac-12, a spot ahead of USC)
Sacks Allowed: 27 (tied with USC for second in Pac-12 behind Washington State)
The passing game has been bad so far. Everything else looks good on offense.
On the other other side of the ball:
Punting: 14 (2nd in Pac-12 between Arizona State and Oregon)
Kick Returns: 18 (2nd in Pac-12 between Colorado and Washington)
Punt Returns: 31 (6th in Pac-12 between California and Utah)
Perfect in extra points and field goals under 52 yards so far.
Other than that terrible fake punt call, special teams have been special so far.
On the other other other side of the ball:
Penalty yardage: 7 (most penalty yardage in the Pac-12, 20 spots ahead of 27th most-penalized Stanford)
Most of that yardage came against Hawai'i, which was a hatchet job. Not much else you can make of penalties so far.
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 11, 2019 14:43:38 GMT -8
Perfect in extra points and field goals so far.
Ah geez, wilky, you just trying to pour salt in that wound? If we were perfect on field goals we might have a win already. |
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Post by tnarg33 on Sept 11, 2019 15:55:55 GMT -8
Perfect in extra points and field goals so far.
Ah geez, wilky, you just trying to pour salt in that wound? If we were perfect on field goals we might have a win already. I was gonna say. Wilky didn't even preface it with his usual, if you take out the 52 yarder against Hawaii. |
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Post by zeroposter on Sept 11, 2019 16:46:55 GMT -8
Johnny Hekker fake punts in similar situations all the time in the NFL. The big difference is obviously that Hekker is a QB dressed as a punter. Hawaii had obviously scouted the Beavers well and the defense was a standard, heavily stacked to the right side of offense. The problem I have is the Beavers didn't call out of the fake punt or call a time out when they saw the Hawaii defense. I still have faith in Niner, but this was a major screw up. Other than that, the ST group has been good.
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zzufrevaeb
Sophomore
Not beaverfuzz
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 12, 2019 10:10:09 GMT -8
Smith and company tried to go too fast, too soon. Hawaii knew it was a fake, could have pinned them way back with a real kick as no one was back there.
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Post by Mike84 on Sept 12, 2019 10:35:42 GMT -8
Smith and company tried to go too fast, too soon. Hawaii knew it was a fake, could have pinned them way back with a real kick as no one was back there. Hawaii may very well have suspected that it might be a fake and our punter almost certainly should have audibled out of the play when he saw the gunner was covered, but it is not true that no one was back for the return. Hawaii had their normal punt returner, Melquise Stovall, #10, back for the return. I think if *nobody* had been back there then our coaches probably would have noticed and called off the fake (or called a time out). The video shows #10 back and waiting for the punt (4:27 left in the 4th). |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 12, 2019 12:02:19 GMT -8
Ok St was top 10 total offense last year and Hawaii top 10 passing O.
For comparison sake Auburn was 88th in total O and Nevada 114th.
If you want good D stats you'd play the second two teams not the first two.
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 12, 2019 12:10:06 GMT -8
Ok St was top 10 total offense last year and Hawaii top 10 passing O. For comparison sake Auburn was 88th in total O and Nevada 114th. If you want good D stats you'd play the second two teams not the first two. Last year... but, to your point what did that 114th ranked O do to us? Can't have it one way... compare another team's schedule to last year's rankings without the including the one common factor. |
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Post by nabeav on Sept 12, 2019 12:28:58 GMT -8
Johnny Hekker fake punts in similar situations all the time in the NFL. The big difference is obviously that Hekker is a QB dressed as a punter. Hawaii had obviously scouted the Beavers well and the defense was a standard, heavily stacked to the right side of offense. The problem I have is the Beavers didn't call out of the fake punt or call a time out when they saw the Hawaii defense. I still have faith in Niner, but this was a major screw up. Other than that, the ST group has been good. This play would have worked with a properly thrown ball. Covered or not, he was open and had a good five feet of separation from the DB to make the catch. Picture below is small and a crummy screen grab from my computer, but if the ball is on target, that's a first down all the way. Also, maybe someone with better offensive line knowledge can explain to me why Lavaka completely failed to block the linebacker in the hole on the 3rd and 2. Is there not some sort of pre-snap communication where Brandel says "yo I got this dude, go find your own guy to block?" I can't imagine that play is called with the plan of letting leaving the MLB unblocked and telling Jermar "I know you've run the ball 30+ times today, but you've gotta beat this unblocked MLB coming at you with a full head of steam."  |
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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 12, 2019 12:30:20 GMT -8
Ok St was top 10 total offense last year and Hawaii top 10 passing O. For comparison sake Auburn was 88th in total O and Nevada 114th. If you want good D stats you'd play the second two teams not the first two. Last year... but, to your point what did that 114th ranked O do to us? Can't have it one way... compare another team's schedule to last year's rankings without the including the one common factor. In regard to your question we held Nevada to roughly 100 yards below their average. Our D is doing several things better than last year so far and with the exception of injuries I think they will show marked statistical improvement when it's all said and done. Ok States offense is better than it was last year. Hawaii is like WSU with few exceptions their passing attack is going to move the ball effectively against most defenses year in and year out. Playing two highly effective offenses out of the gate which are quite a bit different in how you defend them is not a recipe for a defense in building to post outstanding statistics regardless how well they played or how much improvement they may have made in the off season. |
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BeaverNut23
Freshman
WOOOOOO Feels dam Good to beat those Hogs! GO BEAVSSS!!
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Sept 12, 2019 12:42:31 GMT -8
Don’t feed the Nut. He’s nuts. Of course I'm nuts, I'm massively infected by the BEAVER FEVER! All I see is orange! I bleed orange! When I see a yuck fan, I turn into a rabid angry beaver! Been infected with the beaver fever since 1999 and proud of it! #DieHardBeaverNut |
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 12, 2019 12:48:56 GMT -8
Last year... but, to your point what did that 114th ranked O do to us? Can't have it one way... compare another team's schedule to last year's rankings without the including the one common factor. In regard to your question we held Nevada to roughly 100 yards below their average. Our D is doing several things better than last year so far and with the exception of injuries I think they will show marked statistical improvement when it's all said and done. Ok States offense is better than it was last year. Hawaii is like WSU with few exceptions their passing attack is going to move the ball effectively against most defenses year in and year out. Playing two highly effective offenses out of the gate which are quite a bit different in how you defend them is not a recipe for a defense in building to post outstanding statistics regardless how well they played or how much improvement they may have made in the off season. There is zero evidence either offense is "better". It's two games in, neither have played a good D, nor has injuries been a factor as of yet. I made no comment on our D in this thread. I've mentioned several factors on other threads. But, comparative analysis to last year is not valid or in any way helpful. This year's D has some improved areas, back end is playing very young players, but the DC and his schemes/calls are the common thread. He's not been good at putting players in the best position to succeed. Hence, the team to succeed. |
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