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Post by hottubbeaver on Sept 12, 2019 14:10:51 GMT -8
In regard to your question we held Nevada to roughly 100 yards below their average. Our D is doing several things better than last year so far and with the exception of injuries I think they will show marked statistical improvement when it's all said and done. Ok States offense is better than it was last year. Hawaii is like WSU with few exceptions their passing attack is going to move the ball effectively against most defenses year in and year out. Playing two highly effective offenses out of the gate which are quite a bit different in how you defend them is not a recipe for a defense in building to post outstanding statistics regardless how well they played or how much improvement they may have made in the off season. There is zero evidence either offense is "better". It's two games in, neither have played a good D, nor has injuries been a factor as of yet. I made no comment on our D in this thread. I've mentioned several factors on other threads. But, comparative analysis to last year is not valid or in any way helpful. This year's D has some improved areas, back end is playing very young players, but the DC and his schemes/calls are the common thread. He's not been good at putting players in the best position to succeed. Hence, the team to succeed. Only stated Ok St's was better. There is evidence to back that up. How is two games not enough to evaluate their offense, but plenty for you to evaluate our defense? Talk about trying to have it both ways...that's a perfect example. Look I'm not interested in a back and forth bicker fest of who's right and who's wrong. Let's not forget some of our best seasons of the past couple decades came after miserable OOC performances. In other words lets all sit back and look for good things to happen by seasons end : )
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 12, 2019 16:06:30 GMT -8
There is zero evidence either offense is "better". It's two games in, neither have played a good D, nor has injuries been a factor as of yet. I made no comment on our D in this thread. I've mentioned several factors on other threads. But, comparative analysis to last year is not valid or in any way helpful. This year's D has some improved areas, back end is playing very young players, but the DC and his schemes/calls are the common thread. He's not been good at putting players in the best position to succeed. Hence, the team to succeed. Only stated Ok St's was better. There is evidence to back that up. How is two games not enough to evaluate their offense, but plenty for you to evaluate our defense? Talk about trying to have it both ways...that's a perfect example. Look I'm not interested in a back and forth bicker fest of who's right and who's wrong. Let's not forget some of our best seasons of the past couple decades came after miserable OOC performances. In other words lets all sit back and look for good things to happen by seasons end : ) No right or wrong or argument here. Simply pointing out 2 games do not make a season hence comparing to a season make no sense. Fairly easy difference between our analysis... you're using stats based on a season (2018) vs (2) different teams played in 2019. While my evaluation in based on schemes run, continued misalignment, and lack of aggressiveness in out play. Part of aggression is due to players having to think before they react. Being misaligned keeps kids from making routine plays and makes a routine play into long TD runs/passes. Stats are fairly bogus (most of the time unless it is wins and losses) when trying to compare season to season. I can make OkSt stats say whatever point I want to make... in 2018 they played in a league known for lacking defense and played some horrendous D's in OOC. -Wilkyism... averaged 38.4 pts/game in 12 games... take away OOC 33.8 pts/g... vs the top 4 defenses (passing, rushing, or overall) in a weak defensive league 21 pts/g; -Again two games... OSU and McNeese St... 52 pts... 56 pts. Last year 58 and 55. They've gone down hill. The 3rd game last year, Boise St... this year Tulane. Care to guess how they'll do? Sure better... because Tulane and BSU are apples to apples?? Never said you were wrong, but if someone backing up their viewpoint makes it so in your mind...
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 13, 2019 1:15:01 GMT -8
Anyone know what the beavers current defensive ranking is out of the entire FBS, and where I can find it? Conference ranks: Scoring defense: 11 Yards per rush D: 12 Rush D: 12 Rushing TD D: 12 Pass Efficiency D: 11 Passing TDs: T11(last) INTs: T8 Pass D: 10 Total D: 12 Yards per play D: 12 Sacks: T8 TFL: T2 Fumbles recovered: T9(last) 3rd down %: 11 Red zone % 8(4 way tie for 9th/last) RZ TD %: 10
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 13, 2019 5:35:08 GMT -8
Anyone know what the beavers current defensive ranking is out of the entire FBS, and where I can find it? Conference ranks: Scoring defense: 11 Yards per rush D: 12 Rush D: 12 Rushing TD D: 12 Pass Efficiency D: 11 Passing TDs: T11(last) INTs: T8 Pass D: 10 Total D: 12 Yards per play D: 12 Sacks: T8 TFL: T2 Fumbles recovered: T9(last) 3rd down %: 11 Red zone % 8(4 way tie for 9th/last) RZ TD %: 10 TFL 2. How interesting. Against 2 pretty good teams. That was a problem last year, so huge improvement there. -Mr. Brightside
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 13, 2019 9:13:40 GMT -8
Smith and company tried to go too fast, too soon. Hawaii knew it was a fake, could have pinned them way back with a real kick as no one was back there. Hawaii may very well have suspected that it might be a fake and our punter almost certainly should have audibled out of the play when he saw the gunner was covered, but it is not true that no one was back for the return. Hawaii had their normal punt returner, Melquise Stovall, #10, back for the return. I think if *nobody* had been back there then our coaches probably would have noticed and called off the fake (or called a time out). The video shows #10 back and waiting for the punt (4:27 left in the 4th). He was not back that far....and it was Hawaii's normal defense. Smith and Cookus messed up big time on that one.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Sept 13, 2019 13:42:03 GMT -8
Johnny Hekker fake punts in similar situations all the time in the NFL. The big difference is obviously that Hekker is a QB dressed as a punter. Hawaii had obviously scouted the Beavers well and the defense was a standard, heavily stacked to the right side of offense. The problem I have is the Beavers didn't call out of the fake punt or call a time out when they saw the Hawaii defense. I still have faith in Niner, but this was a major screw up. Other than that, the ST group has been good. This play would have worked with a properly thrown ball. Covered or not, he was open and had a good five feet of separation from the DB to make the catch. Picture below is small and a crummy screen grab from my computer, but if the ball is on target, that's a first down all the way. Also, maybe someone with better offensive line knowledge can explain to me why Lavaka completely failed to block the linebacker in the hole on the 3rd and 2. Is there not some sort of pre-snap communication where Brandel says "yo I got this dude, go find your own guy to block?" I can't imagine that play is called with the plan of letting leaving the MLB unblocked and telling Jermar "I know you've run the ball 30+ times today, but you've gotta beat this unblocked MLB coming at you with a full head of steam." I can't tell why that happened. That was either Keobounnam or Lavaka's man. Keobounnam blocked the other ILB. The way that the DL lined up initially, it looked like the DL was Lavaka's man. But if it was Lavaka's man, Keobounnam should have blocked the other ILB. I agree that there was some sort of miscommunication between the linemen. I would add that Keobounnam probably does not have much experience with the ones.
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