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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 14, 2019 17:23:13 GMT -8
Yes the Chipster is finished. A lot of what he was about was getting around the rules and fairness of playing a game. Especially the hurry up crap. I remember Civil War games where the ball would be set and snapped even before the officials were in position and ready. That wasn't fair and he used crap like that to full advantage. Now the rules and the rest of the football world has caught up and passed by. He is finished. He will get fired from UCLA either this year or next and disappear from football not to be heard from again. Good riddance. I called it a bastardization of the game at the time.
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Post by beavered on Sept 14, 2019 18:11:36 GMT -8
During Chips rise, everyone (myself included) seemed to anoint him as some X and O genius. How did they get guys so wide open? How did a track star run up a gazillion yards? Why was the option game so lethal again with just a couple wrinkles?
I think history now shows Chip was no X and O genius, but more a really clever technician. He developed a complete system - a small number of simple plays executed to perfection. Cutting edge training and endurance work for his athletes. Then run a breakneck pace, all the while pushing the boundaries of the rules (recruiting, snapping ball before official set, holding across-the-board but especially on the edges, using the picture cards to call plays, audible from press box, etc. Etc.). He created a perfect storm to use administrative elements of the game to force miscues, then had his team conditioned and trained to capitalize on just that. I've used the term "Y and Z genius" in lieu of X and O when talking about Chip to refer to his administrative prowess and how it impacted the game.
Thankfully between rule clarification and natural adaptation, this has been reigned in a lot. While the fast pace can be exciting, I prefer games to be decided by things like play design, execution and outstanding athletic ability rather than the efficiency of defensive substitutions. Most teams are now prepared to deal with pace, and officials have clear standards for time to spot the ball, substitutions, etc. Pace has now returned to being more of a strategic element rather than something that is the primary factor in determining games.
But if I'm a betting man, I think he's close to done at UCLA and I can't see him getting another high profile job after that.
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Post by irimi on Sept 14, 2019 18:16:26 GMT -8
Why? Any success he could bring would always stink of duck. He was a uck... he's not a uck. He's a good offensive mind. Our OC is a peon in comparison. DE was a Coug, scumdevil... MR was a Trojan... etc... etc. Hell Parker is a uck you probably love him. Not advocating seeking him out if he's fired, but you certainly listen if a guy like him is interested. Ridiculous not to seek great minds and teachers. Nah. I can allow a Coug or a Trojan or even a Husky, but not the most successful coach of our arch-rival. I prefer building an OSU identity, rather than borrowing one from TSDTR.
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Post by EOBeav on Sept 14, 2019 18:27:52 GMT -8
So...are we saying the UCLA game isn't winnable?
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Sept 14, 2019 18:30:53 GMT -8
I like Chip Kelly. He is a fascinating dude and when he let's his guard down he is a really good interview. Hes arrogant? Really? A coach? I'd make the list but... With that said he's gonna have to rethink tmhis approach if he wants to be a successful coach, which of course he can be. His next move might be in the booth. Take him as our OC in a heart beat. Don't give a lick about the outside persona. If you're not arrogant about your abilities you don't belong in coaching. f%#* no....not even the same type of offense that Niner wants to run.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 18:38:44 GMT -8
During Chips rise, everyone (myself included) seemed to anoint him as some X and O genius. How did they get guys so wide open? How did a track star run up a gazillion yards? Why was the option game so lethal again with just a couple wrinkles? I think history now shows Chip was no X and O genius, but more a really clever technician. He developed a complete system - a small number of simple plays executed to perfection. Cutting edge training and endurance work for his athletes. Then run a breakneck pace, all the while pushing the boundaries of the rules (recruiting, snapping ball before official set, holding across-the-board but especially on the edges, using the picture cards to call plays, audible from press box, etc. Etc.). He created a perfect storm to use administrative elements of the game to force miscues, then had his team conditioned and trained to capitalize on just that. I've used the term "Y and Z genius" in lieu of X and O when talking about Chip to refer to his administrative prowess and how it impacted the game. Thankfully between rule clarification and natural adaptation, this has been reigned in a lot. While the fast pace can be exciting, I prefer games to be decided by things like play design, execution and outstanding athletic ability rather than the efficiency of defensive substitutions. Most teams are now prepared to deal with pace, and officials have clear standards for time to spot the ball, substitutions, etc. Pace has now returned to being more of a strategic element rather than something that is the primary factor in determining games. But if I'm a betting man, I think he's close to done at UCLA and I can't see him getting another high profile job after that. Great post. Organ saw they had a rain man with some dark web notions and took him to the casino. For a short time it worked. It was their golden era. But that's over now. Chip is done. He was actually done in Philly when he got tagged as a racist but the real problem is his playbook isn't unique any more.
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Post by ee1990 on Sept 14, 2019 21:04:11 GMT -8
They had MASSIVE attrition when he took over, are already beset with injuries, again, and have no QB. I don't think Nick Saban would win there with the current roster.
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Post by fishwrapper on Sept 14, 2019 21:58:52 GMT -8
I'm sorry to come late to the game, but as to the original question at the top of this thread...
Who?
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Post by baseba1111 on Sept 14, 2019 22:09:04 GMT -8
They had MASSIVE attrition when he took over, are already beset with injuries, again, and have no QB. I don't think Nick Saban would win there with the current roster. 55 frosh on the current roster.
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Post by spudbeaver on Sept 14, 2019 22:10:34 GMT -8
So...are we saying the UCLA game isn't winnable? Not me. Beavers win.
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Post by shelby on Sept 15, 2019 7:55:03 GMT -8
Actually, although it was not real competition, the Beavs looked like team and the coaches looked like they had a clue. Playing 'in the lead' helps that situation. Playing against a 19 year old QB helps that situation. Calling it a triple option offense, when most plays were run right up the gut, is a little bit erroneous. The QB holding onto the ball too long and not being able to evade the rush, helped the defense a lot. The QB locked into one receiver, and he had no time for checking other options. Kid will be okay next year - he has some scramble and speed skills. More injuries, again, and we at least have some capable ( maybe even better ) backups. Specifically, liked the play calling and the substitutions. Running Backs, when healthy, look like a strength ( Quick to the LOS and challenging the defense for every extra yard), however, that is not a PAC 12 defense. Hope Jermar gets healthy quickly if not AP and others are good to go. Why don't we use Champ on some run plays to the outside, ala James Rodgers ? Kid seems strong and quick with some very athletic moves, despite his size and stature.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2019 9:50:09 GMT -8
Actually, although it was not real competition, the Beavs looked like team and the coaches looked like they had a clue. Playing 'in the lead' helps that situation. Playing against a 19 year old QB helps that situation. Calling it a triple option offense, when most plays were run right up the gut, is a little bit erroneous. The QB holding onto the ball too long and not being able to evade the rush, helped the defense a lot. The QB locked into one receiver, and he had no time for checking other options. Kid will be okay next year - he has some scramble and speed skills. More injuries, again, and we at least have some capable ( maybe even better ) backups. Specifically, liked the play calling and the substitutions. Running Backs, when healthy, look like a strength ( Quick to the LOS and challenging the defense for every extra yard), however, that is not a PAC 12 defense. Hope Jermar gets healthy quickly if not AP and others are good to go. Why don't we use Champ on some run plays to the outside, ala James Rodgers ? Kid seems strong and quick with some very athletic moves, despite his size and stature. Aha! I knew he looked like James Rodgers! Thank you. As for playing a 19 year old quarterback, well that's a normal age for a redshirt freshman qb is it not? Not everybody is lucky to have a 27 year old qb as the beavs are.
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