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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 30, 2023 16:38:00 GMT -8
You would be an idiot to threaten athletes. They finally have some power after 100 years of bulls%#t. You want to keep players make it worth their while. That doesn't just mean money. Having a reputation for development, campus opportunities, degree paths, culture in the program ect ect ect. Only about 400 players a year have a legit chance at the NFL via draft, FA or practice squads. Create a program where players get some compensation in money but mostly in opportunity. Hell even offering partnerships between the university and local businesses for athletes to develop their own business opportunities. A bunch of them were making some scratch doing landscaping. If you threaten them you just end up with players with no other options who will bail as soon as they have some. 100 years? What bulls%#t are you talking about? If you are talking about TV money, that is more like 30 on the high side. Schools making lots of money off of athletes health. The amount of revenue from home games was many times the cost of some scholarships pre tv. I'm not going to go run the numbers but tuition being insane is fairly recent much like tv revenue. |
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Post by jayvinson on Dec 30, 2023 17:02:44 GMT -8
No consequences nor punishment was mentioned in my post. Only hoped that someone making a pledge would have the balls to honor it. No one is forced to be on the team.
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Post by speakthetruth on Dec 30, 2023 17:04:46 GMT -8
I have to tell you if I was a coach I'd be happy as hell if I had a team with the mindset of Kitan oladapo. Throw in levengood and Rawls too.
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Post by flyfishinbeav on Dec 30, 2023 17:16:55 GMT -8
We are not in position as a football program to make any demands. Unfortunately, Bray will be begging kids who have options, to stay. That's just our reality.
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Post by bigorangebeaver on Dec 30, 2023 17:17:29 GMT -8
On the first day of Spring practice I would call the team together and tell them that they are either "all in" or all out. I.e., "If you want to be part of this team, I want you to commit right now to complete the year including the bowl game." You do it for your teammates, for your coaches, for your school, and for your fans. If you don't want to make that commitment, now is the time to say so. It is solely your choice." See Kitan Oladapo for reference. You'll keep more Beavers without that approach. |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 30, 2023 17:54:00 GMT -8
Have some power? Many of the players in major college athletics have had their arses kissed since middle school. It's ironic that the word "committment" is used anymore. You mention a landscaping business. I kind of laughed at that when hodgins was doing that kind of work simply because he was actually working and not simply getting a handful of cash. So? The universities have made billions for decades then they completely screwed up NIL. If they hadn't been greedy and linked the schools success to the players compensation and benefits their would be much more equity today. Failed institution lead to loss of institutional power. I sure wish we would have invested some of those billions we were making on a new stadium prior to 2005. You keep players in bowl games and in your program by treating them fairly. Smith had a great culture until he violated his own pledge to be 100% committed. I suspect Bray's program will have an excellent culture. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 30, 2023 18:53:39 GMT -8
So? The universities have made billions for decades then they completely screwed up NIL. If they hadn't been greedy and linked the schools success to the players compensation and benefits their would be much more equity today. Failed institution lead to loss of institutional power. I sure wish we would have invested some of those billions we were making on a new stadium prior to 2005. You keep players in bowl games and in your program by treating them fairly. Smith had a great culture until he violated his own pledge to be 100% committed. I suspect Bray's program will have an excellent culture. Universities is plural. |
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Post by grayman on Dec 30, 2023 19:07:47 GMT -8
I can't wait for the NFL portal to open and watch as all the players opt out of the playoffs.
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Post by sparty on Dec 30, 2023 19:35:08 GMT -8
On the first day of Spring practice I would call the team together and tell them that they are either "all in" or all out. I.e., "If you want to be part of this team, I want you to commit right now to complete the year including the bowl game." You do it for your teammates, for your coaches, for your school, and for your fans. If you don't want to make that commitment, now is the time to say so. It is solely your choice." See Kitan Oladapo for reference. Maybe the coach could have that speech for the spring game to the fans? |
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Post by 56chevy on Dec 30, 2023 20:56:35 GMT -8
The commitment challenge is not just Oregon State, it is not just college football. It is prevalent with most employable individuals under 30 in today's society throughout many parts of the world. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing either. Boss been riding your backside for the last month, didn't get that raise you were promised? Indeed.com can tell you in an hour if you may be able to do better elsewhere. The opportunity for kids to see what else is out there for them in real time has brought a whole new freedom and opportunity for independence. I can not or will not criticize young people who have the ambition and courage to improve their lives.
Now a coach, who has a contract, who lies to the public, who tries to take everything but the kitchen sink from the program on their way out the door, that's another story.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 30, 2023 21:57:45 GMT -8
I sure wish we would have invested some of those billions we were making on a new stadium prior to 2005. You keep players in bowl games and in your program by treating them fairly. Smith had a great culture until he violated his own pledge to be 100% committed. I suspect Bray's program will have an excellent culture. Universities is plural. So that would include us in the group. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 31, 2023 7:03:45 GMT -8
So that would include us in the group. Yes but it doesn't mean we had access to billions to build our stadium. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Dec 31, 2023 7:10:18 GMT -8
The commitment challenge is not just Oregon State, it is not just college football. It is prevalent with most employable individuals under 30 in today's society throughout many parts of the world. I don't think that is necessarily a bad thing either. Boss been riding your backside for the last month, didn't get that raise you were promised? Indeed.com can tell you in an hour if you may be able to do better elsewhere. The opportunity for kids to see what else is out there for them in real time has brought a whole new freedom and opportunity for independence. I can not or will not criticize young people who have the ambition and courage to improve their lives. Now a coach, who has a contract, who lies to the public, who tries to take everything but the kitchen sink from the program on their way out the door, that's another story. Loyalty is a double edged sword too. How many athletes have gotten injured or I'll over the years and lost the opportunity. How many universities care about you after you graduate and the checks stop. How many businesses will take profit cuts or retrain employees when times are hard or they can be replaced with something cheaper. Basically since corporations became entities untied from communities loyalty between workers and occupation has degraded. Pretty much everyone in my age group has been in the situation where the only way to advance or get a decent wage is to leave. It would be hard to find a 30 year old who didn't see a new higher pull a better wage than them at a job doing the same tasks. This is now in sports and everywhere else. Until the institutions with the hiring power treat employees as partners instead of resources then the only power a worker has is to leave to find a better opportunity. This is the same case for major college sports. |
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Post by rafer on Dec 31, 2023 8:29:37 GMT -8
On the first day of Spring practice I would call the team together and tell them that they are either "all in" or all out. I.e., "If you want to be part of this team, I want you to commit right now to complete the year including the bowl game." You do it for your teammates, for your coaches, for your school, and for your fans. If you don't want to make that commitment, now is the time to say so. It is solely your choice." See Kitan Oladapo for reference. Maybe the coach could have that speech for the spring game to the fans? Not all fans easily afford to be season ticket holders, or even take a family of 4 to a game, it's expensive. While several on here, you included, seem to say, if you're not attending or paying for season tickets you are NOT a fan, or bandwagon at best. these fans arew NOT going to be paying $$$$ to go watch a team get destroyed buy  When some of them decide to not attend, it does not mean they left the team, it means that they have decided to save that money and perhaps use it on something that is more tangible, or important to the family. And for this they get speared on this board by the resident know it all's with the ultimatum of, you're not a true fan. |
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Post by sparty on Dec 31, 2023 10:34:45 GMT -8
Maybe the coach could have that speech for the spring game to the fans? Not all fans easily afford to be season ticket holders, or even take a family of 4 to a game, it's expensive. While several on here, you included, seem to say, if you're not attending or paying for season tickets you are NOT a fan, or bandwagon at best. these fans arew NOT going to be paying $$$$ to go watch a team get destroyed buy When some of them decide to not attend, it does not mean they left the team, it means that they have decided to save that money and perhaps use it on something that is more tangible, or important to the family. And for this they get speared on this board by the resident know it all's with the ultimatum of, you're not a true fan. Sounds like a comment directed more towards the likes of rgeorge followers. I am saying there MAY BE a huge drop off in attendance next year in general because the schedule does not create a sizzle so to speak. This is in regards to the occasional fans. I did not say to go out and buy season tickets or do anything extra next year. What I am saying is to stay the course in doing whatever you have been doing these past years and don't jump ship or change your normal mode of atendance. What I am curious about is what the average fan outside of these boards are thinking right now. There are the hard cores, the occasional followers and newbies. By definition the hard cores are on here. Where are the other seasonal fans at? Don't know yet. |
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When some of them decide to not attend, it does not mean they left the team, it means that they have decided to save that money and perhaps use it on something that is more tangible, or important to the family. And for this they get speared on this board by the resident know it all's with the ultimatum of, you're not a true fan.