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Post by ee1990 on Apr 5, 2024 18:04:00 GMT -8
I predict that if student athletes are allowed to organize and negotiate wages that a lot of sports will disappear at a lot of campuses. I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. But the vast majority of them have their scholarships fully subsidized by the few money earning sports. It is incredibly likely that the non revenue sports disappear or are forced into some type of club model.
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Post by Judge Smails on Apr 5, 2024 18:08:31 GMT -8
I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. But the vast majority of them have their scholarships fully subsidized by the few money earning sports. It is incredibly likely that the non revenue sports disappear or are forced into some type of club model. Not allowed if we want to remain a D1 school. We are at the minimum to qualify,
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Post by p8nted on Apr 5, 2024 18:24:18 GMT -8
I predict that if student athletes are allowed to organize and negotiate wages that a lot of sports will disappear at a lot of campuses. I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. I would agree until the universities started making millions of dollars off their names and efforts. The huge TV contracts changed the game and the athletes, just like the coaches do, should share in the huge windfall. The scholarships will soon be gone and replaced with multi -year contracts.
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Post by p8nted on Apr 5, 2024 18:25:37 GMT -8
I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. I would agree until the universities started making millions of dollars off their names and efforts. The huge TV contracts changed the game and the athletes, just like the coaches do, should share in the huge windfall. The scholarships will soon be gone and replaced with multi -year contracts.oops
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Post by ee1990 on Apr 6, 2024 0:34:13 GMT -8
But the vast majority of them have their scholarships fully subsidized by the few money earning sports. It is incredibly likely that the non revenue sports disappear or are forced into some type of club model. Not allowed if we want to remain a D1 school. We are at the minimum to qualify, All of these things are going to change when CFB goes to a minor league. The super conference is just the next step.
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Post by seastape on Apr 6, 2024 6:09:04 GMT -8
I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. I would agree until the universities started making millions of dollars off their names and efforts. The huge TV contracts changed the game and the athletes, just like the coaches do, should share in the huge windfall. The scholarships will soon be gone and replaced with multi -year contracts. I have always thought that athletes should be able to make money off their abilities, just like everyone else. But I think it's a bad idea to have schools give the athletes more than what a typical, full-ride scholarship gives. The athletes can go ahead and earn their money on the open market. But the vast majority of college athletic programs do not make money. If and when the scholarship athletes are able to demand more from the schools than the full-ride scholarship, that's when things will go south, and in a hurry.
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Post by seastape on Apr 6, 2024 6:09:30 GMT -8
I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. But the vast majority of them have their scholarships fully subsidized by the few money earning sports. It is incredibly likely that the non revenue sports disappear or are forced into some type of club model. No s%#t.
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Post by NativeBeav on Apr 6, 2024 10:56:04 GMT -8
I would agree until the universities started making millions of dollars off their names and efforts. The huge TV contracts changed the game and the athletes, just like the coaches do, should share in the huge windfall. The scholarships will soon be gone and replaced with multi -year contracts. I have always thought that athletes should be able to make money off their abilities, just like everyone else. But I think it's a bad idea to have schools give the athletes more than what a typical, full-ride scholarship gives. The athletes can go ahead and earn their money on the open market. But the vast majority of college athletic programs do not make money. If and when the scholarship athletes are able to demand more from the schools than the full-ride scholarship, that's when things will go south, and in a hurry. Exactly. Whether I agree with Title IX or not, it is what it is. The revenue sports have to subsidize the non-revenue sports. The common narrative is the NCAA and TV providers make gobs of money off of certain athletes. Ok - if we have a free market, then what? Coaches and their assistants, by the median salary numbers in this country, are some of the highest wage earners in the country. Still chaps my behind that Belotti is one of the highest, if not the highest recipient of PERS in the state - smh. Again - may not agree with it, what is the answer?
I know this much - certain athletes cutting deals with specific manufacturers and putting that money in their pocket isn't fair either. Without the stage upon which to perform and get noticed, where would they be? Maybe their respective school should get a percentage - fair is fair.
What I do know is without substantive change, the theme song for college sports soon will be "another one bites the dust". As with many other things, there are common sense changes that could be made, to protect and preserve the game and tradition. But no one in a decision making capacity either has the will or the power to make those changes.
Limiting the transfer portal further, make all NIL contracts subject to revenue sharing with their respective school, making any monies earned as a player, should we go that far, be subject to taxation in each state they play in, just like professional sports (including fringe benefits - tuition, books, room and board), the NCAA taking back power to negotiate for the entire league TV contracts with all D1 schools having an equal say in outcome, create geographic conferences or leagues, or better yet - make the conferences regional, with a lottery draw system. Then, every 10 years or so - do it all over again!
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Post by p8nted on Apr 6, 2024 13:45:51 GMT -8
I would agree until the universities started making millions of dollars off their names and efforts. The huge TV contracts changed the game and the athletes, just like the coaches do, should share in the huge windfall. The scholarships will soon be gone and replaced with multi -year contracts. I have always thought that athletes should be able to make money off their abilities, just like everyone else. But I think it's a bad idea to have schools give the athletes more than what a typical, full-ride scholarship gives. The athletes can go ahead and earn their money on the open market. But the vast majority of college athletic programs do not make money. If and when the scholarship athletes are able to demand more from the schools than the full-ride scholarship, that's when things will go south, and in a hurry. I agree the departments do not make money overall. However, as long as Football is reaping in huge dollars then the people responsible for the product should share in the proceeds. The Universities have moved to the pro model anyway and I just don't see many universities treating athletes like students anymore. Things like forbidding athletes to have part time jobs, etc are crazy, How can we ask these players to take one for the team and not share in the $$ they are responsible for? Time for contracts and not scholarships.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 6, 2024 16:10:17 GMT -8
I have always thought that athletes should be able to make money off their abilities, just like everyone else. But I think it's a bad idea to have schools give the athletes more than what a typical, full-ride scholarship gives. The athletes can go ahead and earn their money on the open market. But the vast majority of college athletic programs do not make money. If and when the scholarship athletes are able to demand more from the schools than the full-ride scholarship, that's when things will go south, and in a hurry. I agree the departments do not make money overall. However, as long as Football is reaping in huge dollars then the people responsible for the product should share in the proceeds. The Universities have moved to the pro model anyway and I just don't see many universities treating athletes like students anymore. Things like forbidding athletes to have part time jobs, etc are crazy, How can we ask these players to take one for the team and not share in the $$ they are responsible for? Time for contracts and not scholarships. Nothing prohibits an athlete from taking a part-time job.
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Post by 86BEAVER on Apr 6, 2024 16:11:28 GMT -8
Is this the plan on The Athletic that Parker was discussing on the Joe Beaver Show last Thursday?
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Post by 93beav on Apr 6, 2024 20:39:37 GMT -8
I have always thought that athletes should be able to make money off their abilities, just like everyone else. But I think it's a bad idea to have schools give the athletes more than what a typical, full-ride scholarship gives. The athletes can go ahead and earn their money on the open market. But the vast majority of college athletic programs do not make money. If and when the scholarship athletes are able to demand more from the schools than the full-ride scholarship, that's when things will go south, and in a hurry. I agree the departments do not make money overall. However, as long as Football is reaping in huge dollars then the people responsible for the product should share in the proceeds. The Universities have moved to the pro model anyway and I just don't see many universities treating athletes like students anymore. Things like forbidding athletes to have part time jobs, etc are crazy, How can we ask these players to take one for the team and not share in the $$ they are responsible for? Time for contracts and not scholarships. So a full ride scholarship, meals, physical therapists, personal doctors, personal trainers, tutors and more are not sharing in the proceeds?? I think what really happened for 95% of schools is that some old doofus who always wanted a team but couldn't afford it decided to outlay a ton of money for coaches. Players were stuck, but coaches could make whatever. And the arms race exploded. As stated, most schools and almost all sports lose money. This is why the lawsuit by the ASU swimmer for "back income" is ridiculous. If anything, he should be paying ASU for revenue lost.
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Post by p8nted on Apr 7, 2024 17:46:23 GMT -8
I agree the departments do not make money overall. However, as long as Football is reaping in huge dollars then the people responsible for the product should share in the proceeds. The Universities have moved to the pro model anyway and I just don't see many universities treating athletes like students anymore. Things like forbidding athletes to have part time jobs, etc are crazy, How can we ask these players to take one for the team and not share in the $$ they are responsible for? Time for contracts and not scholarships. Nothing prohibits an athlete from taking a part-time job. Other than the full time jobnature of college sports these days. I forgot the NCAa rule against working during school year was rescinded a few years ago
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Post by p8nted on Apr 7, 2024 17:47:24 GMT -8
I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. But the vast majority of them have their scholarships fully subsidized by the few money earning sports. It is incredibly likely that the non revenue sports disappear or are forced into some type of club model. And Yet. we have a lot of sports at non football playing schools now, including DII, DIII or NAIA, If anything, the opposite is true, dropping football allows for more men’s sports. Look at the Big West, WCC, big East etc.
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Post by seastape on Apr 7, 2024 19:22:31 GMT -8
I always thought they had good wages: free tuition and fees, free room and board. Those benefits are only getting better as the cost of tuition, textbooks, and rent and food (in a lot of areas) continues to skyrocket. I'd say scholarship athletes are doing pretty well for themselves. Exactly. Especially the small percentage that end up making it to the next level. And even if they do, the college and NCAA gave them a platform to display and perfect their game. Four years of coaching and facilities at no cost.
If they are going to get additional wages, make them claim all of their compensation, including fringe benefits, like tuition, room, board, books plus wages. Have them pay taxes in every state they play a game. Can you image traitor team players having to pay taxes and file returns in Michigan, Ohio, Alabama, etc? If it is good enough for the NFL/ NBA, why not?
Oh, and before I hear the lame argument that if athletes have to claim all compensation and fringe benefits and pay taxes on it, that all students should be required to claim scholarship benefits as taxable income, consider this - academic scholarships are more closely related to a gift, whereas an athletic scholarship is more closely related to "pay to play" - the two are vastly different. How many academic scholarship recipients have been awarded NIL contracts?
Agreed, but I would allow the athletes to write off their educational expenses to the same extent that non-athletes can. I assume now that tuition can be written off, as can student loan interest (to a certain extent), but I don't know about the rest. I would make the athletes pay taxes on all other monies received, however, and I have no doubt that the IRS and state taxing agencies are licking their chops at the prospect of taxing it. And for the donors who are giving the money to "NIL" collectives (that have nothing to do with NIL)? Not one cent should be allowed to be written off. It's like going to the movies or any form of entertainment but there is no "business expense" about it.
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