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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 12:00:48 GMT -8
This season looked rough coming in to it. The results so far shouldn't be a surprise. Those talking about a winning season were just not being realistic. Go Beavs -- Next year can't come too soon!! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. As Ed McMahon used to say to Johnny, "You are correct Sir!".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 12:17:36 GMT -8
Bottom line is Andersen inherited a team of QBs with almost zero live experience. Freshman or not that is a huge disadvantage for a coaching staff.
It's a disadvantage yes, but these things happen when you have the all time leading passer in Pac-12 history as your quarterback. Any QB good enough to start is going to transfer or sign somewhere else, knowing that there's already a guy in place for the next 2 or 3 years. I don't think you can blame the previous coaching staff for not recruiting an elite QB to ride the pine behind Mannion for two or three years. Last time this happened, we had to find a QB to replace the two-headed monster of Canfield and Moevao. The QBs tasked with taking over the helm were Ryan Katz and a guy who'd already been kicked out of one university - Peter Lalich. Lalich ended up getting himself kicked out of his second school, and we endured a shaky 5-7 season, while an elite QB by the name of Sean Mannion redshirted. The next year, it took all of half a game for Katz to play himself out of a job, and Mannion went on to have a fairly decent Freshman season, despite having very little help from a run-game that included a crummy run game that was unfortunately left without an elite running back when Quizz went pro. The reason for the lack of depth behind him was that Quizz had been another long-time starter that probably hindered recruiting. Moving this timeline forward, we'll be going into next season without elite players at really any position, which should lure some good players to Corvallis with the promise of playing time. We'll see if that holds true. Sorry, but I'm not buying this. If it were true, we should have been able to recruit an elite QB every time one of our successful long term incumbents finished up. It hasn't happened. Its only happened once, when we recruited Mannion during Canfield's last year. When Derek Anderson finished up, we recruited Canfield, but he was no higher rated as a prospect than Katz, Cody Vaz, Mitchell or McMaryion. All were three stars with moderate interest from other schools. Matt Moore had been highly rated coming out of high school but at the time we offered he was damaged goods. Pretty sure we were his only offer. And look at what happened last year, the year Mannion finished--the staff recruited a guy named Pensyl whom nobody, literally nobody, else wanted. Opportunity for early playing time is a big selling point with JC transfers. But high school kids? They're kids. They've had people telling them they're the greatest as long as they can remember. They all dream of NFL careers. Most talk about starting as true freshmen.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 28, 2015 12:29:42 GMT -8
This season looked rough coming in to it. The results so far shouldn't be a surprise. Those talking about a winning season were just not being realistic. Go Beavs -- Next year can't come too soon!! Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. As Ed McMahon used to say to Johnny, "You are correct Sir!". PDX Orange, I'm giving you the grand prize for having the best avatar! Sorry, it's not a new Cadillac, but it's better than 3rd prize!
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Post by nabeav on Oct 28, 2015 13:20:44 GMT -8
Look, we're Oregon State. Until we're winning consistently, we aren't going to draw "elite" recruits on a regular basis. My point was that you have a better shot of getting a kid that's ready to go right out of the gate if you don't have an underclassman that's already an established starter. Riley was set to go with Del Rio as the next guy, so he was comfortable taking a project like Pensyl.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 28, 2015 14:21:05 GMT -8
It's a disadvantage yes, but these things happen when you have the all time leading passer in Pac-12 history as your quarterback. Any QB good enough to start is going to transfer or sign somewhere else, knowing that there's already a guy in place for the next 2 or 3 years. I don't think you can blame the previous coaching staff for not recruiting an elite QB to ride the pine behind Mannion for two or three years. Last time this happened, we had to find a QB to replace the two-headed monster of Canfield and Moevao. The QBs tasked with taking over the helm were Ryan Katz and a guy who'd already been kicked out of one university - Peter Lalich. Lalich ended up getting himself kicked out of his second school, and we endured a shaky 5-7 season, while an elite QB by the name of Sean Mannion redshirted. The next year, it took all of half a game for Katz to play himself out of a job, and Mannion went on to have a fairly decent Freshman season, despite having very little help from a run-game that included a crummy run game that was unfortunately left without an elite running back when Quizz went pro. The reason for the lack of depth behind him was that Quizz had been another long-time starter that probably hindered recruiting. Moving this timeline forward, we'll be going into next season without elite players at really any position, which should lure some good players to Corvallis with the promise of playing time. We'll see if that holds true. Sorry, but I'm not buying this. If it were true, we should have been able to recruit an elite QB every time one of our successful long term incumbents finished up. It hasn't happened. Its only happened once, when we recruited Mannion during Canfield's last year. When Derek Anderson finished up, we recruited Canfield, but he was no higher rated as a prospect than Katz, Cody Vaz, Mitchell or McMaryion. All were three stars with moderate interest from other schools. Matt Moore had been highly rated coming out of high school but at the time we offered he was damaged goods. Pretty sure we were his only offer. And look at what happened last year, the year Mannion finished--the staff recruited a guy named Pensyl whom nobody, literally nobody, else wanted. Opportunity for early playing time is a big selling point with JC transfers. But high school kids? They're kids. They've had people telling them they're the greatest as long as they can remember. They all dream of NFL careers. Most talk about starting as true freshmen. I read it as having an elite player can lead to not having an elite player in the wings, not that as soon as that player is gone another elite guy will come in. There is a difference.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 14:36:25 GMT -8
Del Rio was not Sean Mannion. If Riley thought he could slack off in 2015 QB recruiting because he was "set to go with Del Rio," he had rocks in his head. "Project" is code for "Wasted schollie," if you're talking skill position players in a pro set offense.
I think there was consistency in our QB recruiting and it didn't matter who our incumbent was or how many years he had to go. Aside from Derek Anderson and Mannion, we consistently got commits from 3 star guys who had the interest of some other schools. Some of them worked out. Most of them didn't. The jury is still out on how well Del Rio, McMaryion, Kempt, Vanderveen, and Mitchell would have done had Riley stuck around. We also consistently recruited higher rated guys who jilted us.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 14:47:38 GMT -8
Sorry, but I'm not buying this. If it were true, we should have been able to recruit an elite QB every time one of our successful long term incumbents finished up. It hasn't happened. Its only happened once, when we recruited Mannion during Canfield's last year. When Derek Anderson finished up, we recruited Canfield, but he was no higher rated as a prospect than Katz, Cody Vaz, Mitchell or McMaryion. All were three stars with moderate interest from other schools. Matt Moore had been highly rated coming out of high school but at the time we offered he was damaged goods. Pretty sure we were his only offer. And look at what happened last year, the year Mannion finished--the staff recruited a guy named Pensyl whom nobody, literally nobody, else wanted. Opportunity for early playing time is a big selling point with JC transfers. But high school kids? They're kids. They've had people telling them they're the greatest as long as they can remember. They all dream of NFL careers. Most talk about starting as true freshmen. I read it as having an elite player can lead to not having an elite player in the wings, not that as soon as that player is gone another elite guy will come in. There is a difference. There is a difference, but I don't buy that having an elite player discourages other elite players unless you're talking about JC transfers who need to come in and play right away because their time is running out. Its being used as an explanation for depth problems and talent gaps. Perennially successful schools have tons of elite players, second, third string, scout team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 16:01:29 GMT -8
Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner. As Ed McMahon used to say to Johnny, "You are correct Sir!". PDX Orange, I'm giving you the grand prize for having the best avatar! Sorry, it's not a new Cadillac, but it's better than 3rd prize! Put The Coffee Down!
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