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Post by nabeav on Jul 31, 2018 16:11:44 GMT -8
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Post by baseba1111 on Jul 31, 2018 17:39:42 GMT -8
More than two in a row might be his record! As much as he ran off the field last season or two you'd think those 20-30 yards sprints would be more tiresome than just playing two more snaps!
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Post by blackbug on Jul 31, 2018 18:27:12 GMT -8
This article is outdated almost as fast as it was published. The weights are closer to correct today for fall camp. I do not think the roster is completely updated for fall camp, yet. The weight increase for Aydon was for last year. He actually lost 4 lbs down to 376. It is some progress for him. There are 4 from the freshman class that are not on the roster, yet. There may be a good chance that 2 of them are not showing. The scholarship depth at OL is less than 3 deep. I do not think this is sustainable especially when almost every other position has at least 3 deep in depth (the only other exceptions are LB and special teams). They will probably have to address the depth of the OL with competition at TE and DL with players moving over to OL. The roster currently has 76 scholarship players with the potential of 80 by fall camp that we know of. The 5 spots will either be filled with unknowns, walkons, or not be filled. There is currently 18 spots available in the 2019 class due to graduation and attritution. 3 of these spots can be filled this fall if they can find players, the other 15 are graduating seniors after the season. This puts the 2019 class needs between 20-23 at this time. It would be easy to see the 2019 class be 25 as attrition continues with the new staff. *Disclaimer*--These numbers are my own estimations. I have no inside knowledge. I have a good feel for what is accurate, so I have confidence the numbers are close.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jul 31, 2018 18:34:55 GMT -8
But how much can we squat? That’s apparently the true measure of futility and ineptness.
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Post by obf on Jul 31, 2018 22:07:57 GMT -8
Some of the best Nose Tackles of all time in the NFL were pushing four bills... Vince Wilfolk, BJ Raji, Haloti Ngata, don't read the media guides, those guys were all close to 400 and GREAT, game changing Nose Tackles...
Of course you still have to be able to move and last more than a play in a row....
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 1, 2018 7:29:19 GMT -8
Some of the best Nose Tackles of all time in the NFL were pushing four bills... Vince Wilfolk, BJ Raji, Haloti Ngata, don't read the media guides, those guys were all close to 400 and GREAT, game changing Nose Tackles... Of course you still have to be able to move and last more than a play in a row.... Eh, no. Vince Wilfork weighed 340 at the combine. BJ Raji weighed 337 Haloti Ngata weighed 338 They certainly added on some weight in NFL, with full time NFL weight training and conditioning... but in no universe did these boys enter the league close to 4 bills. 376 pounds is way too large for Elu. He needs to be much close to that 340 zip code.
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Post by Benevolent Dictator on Aug 1, 2018 7:49:50 GMT -8
The roster on the official site has Aydon at 378 right now. Not that there is a big difference between 376, 378 or 380. Only well timed trip to the bathroom for that big boy.
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 1, 2018 8:25:10 GMT -8
Some of the best Nose Tackles of all time in the NFL were pushing four bills... Vince Wilfolk, BJ Raji, Haloti Ngata, don't read the media guides, those guys were all close to 400 and GREAT, game changing Nose Tackles... Of course you still have to be able to move and last more than a play in a row.... Eh, no. Vince Wilfork weighed 340 at the combine. BJ Raji weighed 337 Haloti Ngata weighed 338 They certainly added on some weight in NFL, with full time NFL weight training and conditioning... but in no universe did these boys enter the league close to 4 bills. 376 pounds is way too large for Elu. He needs to be much close to that 340 zip code. Vince Wilfork was a freak. Saw a video of him dunking a few years ago and he was 325 lbs at the time. I'm not sure Aydon could jump over loose change. JS need to keep an assistant coach posted up at Local Boyz. Too much mac salad Elu.
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Post by obf on Aug 1, 2018 8:30:47 GMT -8
Some of the best Nose Tackles of all time in the NFL were pushing four bills... Vince Wilfolk, BJ Raji, Haloti Ngata, don't read the media guides, those guys were all close to 400 and GREAT, game changing Nose Tackles... Of course you still have to be able to move and last more than a play in a row.... Eh, no. Vince Wilfork weighed 340 at the combine. BJ Raji weighed 337 Haloti Ngata weighed 338 They certainly added on some weight in NFL, with full time NFL weight training and conditioning... but in no universe did these boys enter the league close to 4 bills. 376 pounds is way too large for Elu. He needs to be much close to that 340 zip code. Having stood next to Elu recently, I have a hard time believing he is actually 380... or even 325 for that matter. Of course I have no idea why they would consistently lie about his weight for a couple season straight and through two coaches... Also IIRC, didn't he already have to sit out a couple of weeks of camp under QA for being overweight? Regardless... From a football strategy standpoint... If you are running a 3-4 or some hybrid of it, does the athleticism of the Nose Tackle really matter? I always understood the Nose tackle in the scheme to be more of a pile maker and not a penetrator... All you really want him to do is to clog up the middle and occupy a couple Offensive guys. If you are a team struggling to recruit a legit Nose Tackle, maybe the best way to "make" one is to just grow 'em as big as possible and tell him to just barrel roll into the line ever snap "ELU, STOP RUNNING, HERE IS ANOTHER DOUBLE DOUBLE!"
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Post by atownbeaver on Aug 1, 2018 9:16:44 GMT -8
Eh, no. Vince Wilfork weighed 340 at the combine. BJ Raji weighed 337 Haloti Ngata weighed 338 They certainly added on some weight in NFL, with full time NFL weight training and conditioning... but in no universe did these boys enter the league close to 4 bills. 376 pounds is way too large for Elu. He needs to be much close to that 340 zip code. Having stood next to Elu recently, I have a hard time believing he is actually 380... or even 325 for that matter. Of course I have no idea why they would consistently lie about his weight for a couple season straight and through two coaches... Also IIRC, didn't he already have to sit out a couple of weeks of camp under QA for being overweight? Regardless... From a football strategy standpoint... If you are running a 3-4 or some hybrid of it, does the athleticism of the Nose Tackle really matter? I always understood the Nose tackle in the scheme to be more of a pile maker and not a penetrator... All you really want him to do is to clog up the middle and occupy a couple Offensive guys. If you are a team struggling to recruit a legit Nose Tackle, maybe the best way to "make" one is to just grow 'em as big as possible and tell him to just barrel roll into the line ever snap "ELU, STOP RUNNING, HERE IS ANOTHER DOUBLE DOUBLE!" The number one point of the NT to to command a double team with the center and one of the guards. that is what you are trying to do on most snaps. You need some beef to do that well, which is why you see a lot of the good ones being in that 320-330 pound range. But you need to be fast enough off the line to not just get pushed over by the guard. you need to be able to shed a block and fill left or right in the A gap if you can. you do need SOME measure of agility, even at NT. You can't just be a boat anchor sitting there, or the OL will just move around you. and, lets be real. you need to be able to do it for a full series without having a heart attack.
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Post by obf on Aug 1, 2018 9:28:57 GMT -8
Having stood next to Elu recently, I have a hard time believing he is actually 380... or even 325 for that matter. Of course I have no idea why they would consistently lie about his weight for a couple season straight and through two coaches... Also IIRC, didn't he already have to sit out a couple of weeks of camp under QA for being overweight? Regardless... From a football strategy standpoint... If you are running a 3-4 or some hybrid of it, does the athleticism of the Nose Tackle really matter? I always understood the Nose tackle in the scheme to be more of a pile maker and not a penetrator... All you really want him to do is to clog up the middle and occupy a couple Offensive guys. If you are a team struggling to recruit a legit Nose Tackle, maybe the best way to "make" one is to just grow 'em as big as possible and tell him to just barrel roll into the line ever snap "ELU, STOP RUNNING, HERE IS ANOTHER DOUBLE DOUBLE!" The number one point of the NT to to command a double team with the center and one of the guards. that is what you are trying to do on most snaps. You need some beef to do that well, which is why you see a lot of the good ones being in that 320-330 pound range. But you need to be fast enough off the line to not just get pushed over by the guard. you need to be able to shed a block and fill left or right in the A gap if you can. you do need SOME measure of agility, even at NT. You can't just be a boat anchor sitting there, or the OL will just move around you. and, lets be real. you need to be able to do it for a full series without having a heart attack. Maybe Elu, and the defensive staff is toying with filling BOTH gaps.... DEEP and WIDE baby! Obviously I am joking, and just for his health I hope Elu slims down... Carrying and extra couple hundred pounds, especially as a young person, is really quite devastating to one's health. However, I am slightly reminded of the innovations of the Hokey goalie, in years past, that actually led to some rule changes. Granted they innovated mostly with bigger and bigger pads and not bigger and bigger beer guts But its the same basic principal... The more space I take up the harder it is to get around me (either to the running lane, or into the net as with Hokey)
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 1, 2018 14:26:02 GMT -8
Eh, no. Vince Wilfork weighed 340 at the combine. BJ Raji weighed 337 Haloti Ngata weighed 338 They certainly added on some weight in NFL, with full time NFL weight training and conditioning... but in no universe did these boys enter the league close to 4 bills. 376 pounds is way too large for Elu. He needs to be much close to that 340 zip code. Vince Wilfork was a freak. Saw a video of him dunking a few years ago and he was 325 lbs at the time. I'm not sure Aydon could jump over loose change. JS need to keep an assistant coach posted up at Local Boyz. Too much mac salad Elu. LOL Elu has a reputation for being freakishly light-footed for his size, he's actually a pretty decent basketball player.
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Post by ochobeavo on Aug 1, 2018 14:53:32 GMT -8
Vince Wilfork was a freak. Saw a video of him dunking a few years ago and he was 325 lbs at the time. I'm not sure Aydon could jump over loose change. JS need to keep an assistant coach posted up at Local Boyz. Too much mac salad Elu. LOL Elu has a reputation for being freakishly light-footed for his size, he's actually a pretty decent basketball player. I've watched him play football and have never found him to be freakishly light-footed. But full disclosure: I'm just an armchair football know-it-all and terrible fantasy league owner, so I don't know nuttin'.
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Post by orangeattack on Aug 1, 2018 15:16:47 GMT -8
LOL Elu has a reputation for being freakishly light-footed for his size, he's actually a pretty decent basketball player. I've watched him play football and have never found him to be freakishly light-footed. But full disclosure: I'm just an armchair football know-it-all and terrible fantasy league owner, so I don't know nuttin'. fwiw I'm not really offering it as my armchair assessment, just repeating the conventional wisdom. And, I'd point out that it has a strong qualifier in the "for his size" portion.
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Post by giantkillers83 on Aug 1, 2018 18:47:32 GMT -8
Vince Wilfork was a freak. Saw a video of him dunking a few years ago and he was 325 lbs at the time. I'm not sure Aydon could jump over loose change. JS need to keep an assistant coach posted up at Local Boyz. Too much mac salad Elu. LOL Elu has a reputation for being freakishly light-footed for his size, he's actually a pretty decent basketball player. Then Tink should play him.... as a football player... he’s a bowl of molasses ....
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