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Post by pitbeavs on May 7, 2020 20:21:27 GMT -8
Technically, she cannot do that. (I know take it to a different thread). This violates are constitutional right to assemble. The constitution does not differentiate in any way what that assembly is for. Her order to prevent Oregonians not to assemble violates this code. www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-lawI suspect that if someone pushed back hard enough she would relent, or face her own legal consequences. This is only my opinion from recent research. I am sure there are those out there that have studied constitutional law who can weigh in more appropriately than me. I sure hope posting this does not get me banned.... Um, no. In the 1902 case, Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health, SCOTUS held that quarantines were constitutional. Here. Oh yeah, in the 1905 case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the SCOTUS ruled that the states have a constitutional authority to impose mandatory vaccinations. Here. That's all I'm going to say on the matter.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 7, 2020 20:39:49 GMT -8
This makes me question the global strategy. The numbers on this haven’t added up from the get-go. That is down from a high of 464 a couple weeks back. NOW it looks a little ridiculous. Last week of March, first week of April, it looked real scary. How many ICU beds are there available in the entire State of Oregon?
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Post by spudbeaver on May 7, 2020 20:40:37 GMT -8
Yeah, my wife says I’m interpreting that wrong also. You know what that means. You’re right too! To me, it would be more clear if she had given a date. Sept 30. Aug 31. Something like that. Maybe it’s just my wishful thinking. Whatever happened to the Western State Coalition anyway?? What a joke. To September = through August 31.
Through September = to October 1.
You're welcome.
Yeah, yeah yeah.
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Post by spudbeaver on May 7, 2020 20:41:53 GMT -8
Technically, she cannot do that. (I know take it to a different thread). This violates are constitutional right to assemble. The constitution does not differentiate in any way what that assembly is for. Her order to prevent Oregonians not to assemble violates this code. www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-lawI suspect that if someone pushed back hard enough she would relent, or face her own legal consequences. This is only my opinion from recent research. I am sure there are those out there that have studied constitutional law who can weigh in more appropriately than me. I sure hope posting this does not get me banned.... Um, no. In the 1902 case, Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health, SCOTUS held that quarantines were constitutional. Here. Oh yeah, in the 1905 case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the SCOTUS ruled that the states have a constitutional authority to impose mandatory vaccinations. Here. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. I’ll bet it’s not, Forrest Gump.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 7, 2020 23:12:45 GMT -8
Technically, she cannot do that. (I know take it to a different thread). This violates are constitutional right to assemble. The constitution does not differentiate in any way what that assembly is for. Her order to prevent Oregonians not to assemble violates this code. www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-lawI suspect that if someone pushed back hard enough she would relent, or face her own legal consequences. This is only my opinion from recent research. I am sure there are those out there that have studied constitutional law who can weigh in more appropriately than me. I sure hope posting this does not get me banned.... Um, no. In the 1902 case, Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health, SCOTUS held that quarantines were constitutional. Here. Oh yeah, in the 1905 case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the SCOTUS ruled that the states have a constitutional authority to impose mandatory vaccinations. Here. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. In 1902, the state of science was that people did not know that Yellow Fever was caused by mosquitoes. Their unscientific belief was that it was caused by humans transmitting it to other humans. (Mercuric chloride--mercury--was used to help try and stop the spread.) Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health was an unscientific quarantine to keep approximately 400 Sicilians out of any part of Louisiana within 100 miles of New Orleans. The quarantine was put in place because of a Yellow Fever "outbreak" involving several cases but only a single death the year before. (Sicilians were blamed for crime and disease and generally hated in New Orleans, so the actual necessity of the quarantine is unscientific and suspect.) Nevertheless, the Court held in a 7-2 decision that it was constitutional for the State of Louisiana to keep the 408 Sicilians more than 100 miles away from New Orleans. The Sicilians ultimately landed in Florida. Several went immediately to New Orleans. The Court also held that it was constitutional, because the Federal government had not passed a law to compel New Orleans to accept the approximately 400 Sicilians. What that has to do with the Freedom of Assembly, I have no idea. gart79The Freedom of Assembly gives you the right to protest and to join groups. It does not give you the right to assemble wherever you want for whatever purpose. I think that it would be easier to force the hand of a private school, as opposed to a public one and then try and backdoor Oregon State.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 8, 2020 6:56:26 GMT -8
That is down from a high of 464 a couple weeks back. NOW it looks a little ridiculous. Last week of March, first week of April, it looked real scary. How many ICU beds are there available in the entire State of Oregon? As of 7:52 AM there are 249 open ICU beds in Oregon. there is a total of 807 staffed ICU beds. as of the same time, there are 155 suspect or confirmed cases, 45 of them in an ICU bed. The system updates every 5 minutes. numbers are always moving.
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Post by atownbeaver on May 8, 2020 7:30:37 GMT -8
Technically, she cannot do that. (I know take it to a different thread). This violates are constitutional right to assemble. The constitution does not differentiate in any way what that assembly is for. Her order to prevent Oregonians not to assemble violates this code. www.justice.gov/crt/deprivation-rights-under-color-lawI suspect that if someone pushed back hard enough she would relent, or face her own legal consequences. This is only my opinion from recent research. I am sure there are those out there that have studied constitutional law who can weigh in more appropriately than me. I sure hope posting this does not get me banned.... Um, no. In the 1902 case, Compagnie Francaise de Navigation a Vapeur v. Louisiana Board of Health, SCOTUS held that quarantines were constitutional. Here. Oh yeah, in the 1905 case, Jacobson v. Massachusetts, the SCOTUS ruled that the states have a constitutional authority to impose mandatory vaccinations. Here. That's all I'm going to say on the matter. Public Health Service Act of 1944 created the explicit permission for the Federal Government to impose quarantines. The authority to institute quarantine is codified into 42 CFR part 70 and 71. The law creates defacto authority for states (specifically, the public health authorities of those states) to quarantine, as a requirement for the feds to institute a quarantine order is based on the state or local government's failure to enacted necessary controls. As in, the feds will quarantine you if the state refuses to. It is defacto authority because the codes to not explicitly forbid states from issuing quarantine, and infers states and local governments are the first authorities that should issuing controls to limit disease spread. Of course, every state has it's own rules, and where they vary are typically about the punishment of what happens when you disobey a quarantine order. Now.... here is where it gets muddy.... it has never been establish there is the authority to mass quarantine non-sick individuals. It is clear, there is authority to quarantine sick people, and people credibly exposed to the sick people or otherwise suspected of having the disease. The laws are all focused on an individual approach, not a full population approach. SO, that is the ultimate debate. Not "can a state quarantine people" it is the pedantic difference of "can a state quarantine non-sick, non-exposed people".
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Post by atownbeaver on May 8, 2020 7:41:31 GMT -8
This makes me question the global strategy. The numbers on this haven’t added up from the get-go. That is down from a high of 464 a couple weeks back. NOW it looks a little ridiculous. Last week of March, first week of April, it looked real scary. Also: Barnes just more or less came out and said they are not cancelling the season. He said playing without fans, or cancelling a few games is on the table, but it isn't in the conversation to not play this year.
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Post by fishwrapper on May 8, 2020 7:51:59 GMT -8
The direct quote, as reported, is, "The one scenario that we are not working on is not playing football." Which is almost the opposite of what follows: "I think it’s obviously prudent and responsible of us to look at every option we can model at this point."
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Post by rafer on May 8, 2020 8:29:29 GMT -8
Just saw on the news, the Oregon State Fair, which runs from late August into September, has been cancelled by the Governor. Is this telling us that she will NOT allow public gatherings in September, and does this eliminate OS football regardless of what the AD and others desire??? At the very least, it IS going to be an issue!!!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on May 8, 2020 9:50:32 GMT -8
Oklahoma will be open in September, no matter the cost to public health. So I think we will play the Cowboys.
Colorado has moved a little faster than us (although not as quickly as some other states); perhaps our game with CSU could be moved to Fort Fun. We could also maybe play them at nearby Wyoming (only 55 miles from FC), because Wyoming is out-of-town that weekend.
We could easily reschedule our games with PSU and WSU to December 4 and Dec. 11, provided we are not in the Pac-12 title game.
North Dakota will be open too, under the same circumstances as Oklahoma. I could see uo moving their game with NDSU to Fargo, if only to assure it will be played. Clownzano thinks the ducks might also go to Ohio State, another damn-the-consequences state and just flip-flop the format of that home-and-home arrangement.
I also think there could be some serious schedule-juggling across the country. D1 teams in highly-impacted areas on the East Coast (Army, Syracuse, Buffalo, Rutgers, BC, UConn, for example) are gonna have a very hard time playing home games in September, seeing how hard the tri-state area was hit.
Flexibility will be important. Us not starting classes until Sept. 23 helps us in that area, I think.
PS: We have one of the lowest infection and mortality rates and among the fewest active cases in the country, thanks in many ways to that "ignominious clownshoe."
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Post by alwaysorange on May 8, 2020 9:51:03 GMT -8
Just saw on the news, the Oregon State Fair, which runs from late August into September, has been cancelled by the Governor. Is this telling us that she will NOT allow public gatherings in September, and does this eliminate OS football regardless of what the AD and others desire??? At the very least, it IS going to be an issue!!!! 2+ more years of that ignominious clownshoe. Would it be better for a governor to follow guidelines set up by some task force which is led by somebody higher than a governor. Or better to follow that somebody that heads the task force that put out the guidelines and then that somebody simply ignores the guidelines? Don't think actual names are necessary.
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Post by rafer on May 8, 2020 10:06:49 GMT -8
2+ more years of that ignominious clownshoe. Would it be better for a governor to follow guidelines set up by some task force which is led by somebody higher than a governor. Or better to follow that somebody that heads the task force that put out the guidelines and then that somebody simply ignores the guidelines? Don't think actual names are necessary. Take it to the Porch, or where ever mumbo jumbo goes!!
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Post by bennyskid on May 8, 2020 10:19:20 GMT -8
Cancelling the State Fair is different than cancelling football. The fair affects the schedules of hundreds of vendors, performers and civic groups and there are countless contracts that need to be sorted out. The governor had to make a "s*** or get off the pot" decision or the results would have been a disaster.
College football is trivial in comparison.
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