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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 11, 2021 7:56:24 GMT -8
That my understanding. Gill is frozen in amber as far as major expansions or exterior alterations are concerned due to the historical district designation. The only alternative would be a new arena outside of the central campus. Anything’s possible for a couple $ hundred million. Again, not so. The front steps and Parker Plaza were completely redesigned recently. Brackets for banners that did not exist when it opened have been added to the front. An entrance in the Northwest corner was completely redesigned quite some time ago and an existing outside stairway was removed. There are numerous historical photos of Gill with a message board above the front entrance. If it wished to do so, the university could make an excellent case to have one added, citing historical precedence. The HRC has numerous provisions for adaptive reuse. I thought the lower bowl of Gill was redesigned several years ago, with brand-new bleachers installed throughout? I don’t think you’d be allowed to do what Cal did to Harmon Gym in transforming it into Haas Pavilion They removed the roof and built an entirely new exterior enclosure to add 6,000 seats to capacity. That kind of radical partial demo and expansion would not be permitted in the historical district. Harmon Gym Haas
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 11, 2021 8:43:11 GMT -8
Aren't the historic district and the National Historic Regstry designations two different things?
I would think if Gill isn't on the National Historic Registry (I don't know if it is or isn't) there would be some leeway for the commission to allow whatever it decides as far as major exterior changes. Isn't a big chunk, or all, of OSU campus campus in the district? Surely with all of the construction that has gone on there's been some footprint changes? I've no clue what their guidelines are.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 11, 2021 9:23:22 GMT -8
Aren't the historic district and the National Historic Regstry designations two different things? I would think if Gill isn't on the National Historic Registry (I don't know if it is or isn't) there would be some leeway for the commission to allow whatever it decides as far as major exterior changes. Isn't a big chunk, or all, of OSU campus campus in the district? Surely with all of the construction that has gone on there's been some footprint changes? I've no clue what their guidelines are. Yes, there is leeway. The east end of the MU was totally redesigned after the bookstore moved. The west side of Strand Hall was totally overhauled and redesigned in its most recent renovation. Fairbanks will be getting an overhaul too and there will be changes made. The fronts of Callahan and McNary residence halls were changed. Waldo Hall got a stairwell added to the south side. It makes it more complicated, and adds another step in the process. But changes are possible. Much of the campus is in a local historic district, not on the National Registry of Historic Places. Lots of good ideas on this thread. One of us needs to win Megabucks, one needs to win Powerball, and one needs to win the other big lottery game whose name escapes me at the moment.
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Post by gnawitall on Apr 11, 2021 10:41:51 GMT -8
Aren't the historic district and the National Historic Regstry designations two different things? I would think if Gill isn't on the National Historic Registry (I don't know if it is or isn't) there would be some leeway for the commission to allow whatever it decides as far as major exterior changes. Isn't a big chunk, or all, of OSU campus campus in the district? Surely with all of the construction that has gone on there's been some footprint changes? I've no clue what their guidelines are. Yes, there is leeway. The east end of the MU was totally redesigned after the bookstore moved. The west side of Strand Hall was totally overhauled and redesigned in its most recent renovation. Fairbanks will be getting an overhaul too and there will be changes made. The fronts of Callahan and McNary residence halls were changed. Waldo Hall got a stairwell added to the south side. It makes it more complicated, and adds another step in the process. But changes are possible. Much of the campus is in a local historic district, not on the National Registry of Historic Places. Lots of good ideas on this thread. One of us needs to win Megabucks, one needs to win Powerball, and one needs to win the other big lottery game whose name escapes me at the moment. Mega Millions
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Post by Werebeaver on Apr 11, 2021 11:14:02 GMT -8
Aren't the historic district and the National Historic Regstry designations two different things? I would think if Gill isn't on the National Historic Registry (I don't know if it is or isn't) there would be some leeway for the commission to allow whatever it decides as far as major exterior changes. Isn't a big chunk, or all, of OSU campus campus in the district? Surely with all of the construction that has gone on there's been some footprint changes? I've no clue what their guidelines are. Yes, there is leeway. The east end of the MU was totally redesigned after the bookstore moved. The west side of Strand Hall was totally overhauled and redesigned in its most recent renovation. Fairbanks will be getting an overhaul too and there will be changes made. The fronts of Callahan and McNary residence halls were changed. Waldo Hall got a stairwell added to the south side. It makes it more complicated, and adds another step in the process. But changes are possible. Much of the campus is in a local historic district, not on the National Registry of Historic Places. Lots of good ideas on this thread. One of us needs to win Megabucks, one needs to win Powerball, and one needs to win the other big lottery game whose name escapes me at the moment. NRHP Oregon State University Historic District
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 11, 2021 14:03:12 GMT -8
Yes, there is leeway. The east end of the MU was totally redesigned after the bookstore moved. The west side of Strand Hall was totally overhauled and redesigned in its most recent renovation. Fairbanks will be getting an overhaul too and there will be changes made. The fronts of Callahan and McNary residence halls were changed. Waldo Hall got a stairwell added to the south side. It makes it more complicated, and adds another step in the process. But changes are possible. Much of the campus is in a local historic district, not on the National Registry of Historic Places. Lots of good ideas on this thread. One of us needs to win Megabucks, one needs to win Powerball, and one needs to win the other big lottery game whose name escapes me at the moment. NRHP Oregon State University Historic District Well my bad. I thought it was just like College Hill and the Helms-Avery neighborhood.
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 11, 2021 18:44:23 GMT -8
More portable toilets at football games.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Apr 12, 2021 9:36:34 GMT -8
Re: National Register of Historic Places: "Under Federal Law, the listing of a property in the National Register places no restrictions on what a non-federal owner may do with their property up to and including destruction, unless the property is involved in a project that receives Federal assistance, usually funding or licensing/permitting. However, before this occurs, you can, or the property owner should contact the State historic preservation office (SHPO.) The SHPO is the state agency that oversees historic preservation efforts in their state. There may be state or local preservation laws that the owner should be aware of before they undertake a project with a historic property. Contact information for the SHPOs If Federal monies are attached to the property then any changes to the property have to allow the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation (www.achp.gov) to comment on the project." And from Benton County: " National Register listing is an honorific and does not come with any restrictions as to what can be done to the property but its owners." Sounds to me like there is potential to completely demolish and rebuild Gill if we want. Might have to run it by the Feds first in case there's some Federal money involvement. As far as I can tell, there is no Federal law that says these buildings are untouchable. It's up to local laws, sounds to me like that's what the commission is for.
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Post by mbabeav on Apr 12, 2021 10:03:59 GMT -8
Big renovations and additions aside, my focus is where can you get the most bang for the buck. The one thing that would generate the most revenue per dollar spent, IMO, is to run a grandstand, as mentioned above, over the top of the bullpens at Goss in left field, attached directly to Banners. There is literally room for a run of about 700 seats, IMO, and they could bring in roughly an additional $250,000/yr at a construction cost of perhaps 3 million? This isn't renovation, this is new money.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Apr 12, 2021 10:43:29 GMT -8
Maybe we need more batting cages. Too soon?
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Post by spudbeaver on Apr 12, 2021 18:35:54 GMT -8
Maybe we need more batting cages. Too soon? Doesn't seem like it.
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Post by beavs6 on Apr 12, 2021 19:14:45 GMT -8
Maybe we need more batting cages. Too soon? Too late.
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Post by hawkeye2000 on Apr 13, 2021 9:49:15 GMT -8
Maybe we need more batting cages. Too soon? I think Conforto and Rutschman need to come back and put on a batting clinic for the team.
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Post by whocares on Apr 13, 2021 10:09:54 GMT -8
Maybe we need more batting cages. Too soon? I think Conforto and Rutschman need to come back and put on a batting clinic for the team. I would add Madrigal to that wish list.
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Post by hawkeye2000 on Apr 13, 2021 10:55:39 GMT -8
I think Conforto and Rutschman need to come back and put on a batting clinic for the team. I would add Madrigal to that wish list. I agree
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