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Post by beaverinohio on May 23, 2022 12:26:43 GMT -8
Now that the roster is seemingly full, anyone know when the newcomers get on campus? Also, someone mentioned an overseas trip for the team this summer. Is that a go? Would be great to get that extra practice and game experience (even if the quality of opponents can be a bit iffy). Hopefully would give a jump start to the team building.
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Post by beaverstever on May 23, 2022 16:57:47 GMT -8
So Christian Wright makes 12? Correct. Beavs now have one open scholarship left. So then Justin Rochelin means all scholarships are now spoken for, I believe
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Post by qbeaver on May 24, 2022 12:08:35 GMT -8
We don't really know what kind of team we will have next year. Two things we do know...1. Not a lot of bigs on the 22-23 roster. 2. This team will be very young. What we don't know is what team chemistry will be,and what impact the two new assistant coaches will have on next years team. I think we upgraded at both assistant coaching jobs.
One thing I will dispute with some fans...the portal has been hit and miss the last few years for osu. The group we had last year was poor for chemistry,but the previous year we added Alitishe,and Calloo who were important pieces of our elite 8 run. That being said,we have no idea whether Rochelin and Wright are going to be great contributors to a solid unit or bad for chemistry? Adding highly rated portal prospects doesn't guarantee success at any school...you need the right players to have success regardless if they are 3 or 4 or 5 star prospects. Just my .02.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on May 24, 2022 13:34:10 GMT -8
We don't really know what kind of team we will have next year. Two things we do know...1. Not a lot of bigs on the 22-23 roster. 2. This team will be very young. What we don't know is what team chemistry will be,and what impact the two new assistant coaches will have on next years team. I think we upgraded at both assistant coaching jobs. One thing I will dispute with some fans...the portal has been hit and miss the last few years for osu. The group we had last year was poor for chemistry,but the previous year we added Alitishe,and Calloo who were important pieces of our elite 8 run. That being said,we have no idea whether Rochelin and Wright are going to be great contributors to a solid unit or bad for chemistry? Adding highly rated portal prospects doesn't guarantee success at any school...you need the right players to have success regardless if they are 3 or 4 or 5 star prospects. Just my .02. Great points. We all might have to get used to cycles of boom and bust years.
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Post by beaverinohio on May 24, 2022 16:28:36 GMT -8
We don't really know what kind of team we will have next year. Two things we do know...1. Not a lot of bigs on the 22-23 roster. 2. This team will be very young. What we don't know is what team chemistry will be,and what impact the two new assistant coaches will have on next years team. I think we upgraded at both assistant coaching jobs. One thing I will dispute with some fans...the portal has been hit and miss the last few years for osu. The group we had last year was poor for chemistry,but the previous year we added Alitishe,and Calloo who were important pieces of our elite 8 run. That being said,we have no idea whether Rochelin and Wright are going to be great contributors to a solid unit or bad for chemistry? Adding highly rated portal prospects doesn't guarantee success at any school...you need the right players to have success regardless if they are 3 or 4 or 5 star prospects. Just my .02. Technically, Calloo was a JC recruit rather than in portal, but I get your point. The portal is no different than HS or JC recruiting in that you have to find talent and good fits for your program. I believe at least currently with Tinkle as coach, high school recruits have to be the foundation of each class with the portal (and JC recruits) used to fill holes. The problem Tinkle has had is of late before this year he’s been relying too much on portal and JCs. I think you have to have strong leadership from your veterans to make that work. With Ethan and Reichle gone from last year’s roster, the leadership on the roster lacked. And, of course, WT didn’t rise to the occasion. This class is the direction I think WT has to go — freshmen plus one or two portal guys to fill holes on the roster. OSU and WT are unlikely to get top portal guys around which to build a team. The next HC at Oregon State might be a guy who can lean on portal more because of a staff that will provide leadership and be able to articulate what he expects out of new players that come via the transfer route. WT hasn’t shown that ability.
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Post by qbeaver on May 24, 2022 16:56:45 GMT -8
We don't really know what kind of team we will have next year. Two things we do know...1. Not a lot of bigs on the 22-23 roster. 2. This team will be very young. What we don't know is what team chemistry will be,and what impact the two new assistant coaches will have on next years team. I think we upgraded at both assistant coaching jobs. One thing I will dispute with some fans...the portal has been hit and miss the last few years for osu. The group we had last year was poor for chemistry,but the previous year we added Alitishe,and Calloo who were important pieces of our elite 8 run. That being said,we have no idea whether Rochelin and Wright are going to be great contributors to a solid unit or bad for chemistry? Adding highly rated portal prospects doesn't guarantee success at any school...you need the right players to have success regardless if they are 3 or 4 or 5 star prospects. Just my .02. Technically, Calloo was a JC recruit rather than in portal, but I get your point. The portal is no different than HS or JC recruiting in that you have to find talent and good fits for your program. I believe at least currently with Tinkle as coach, high school recruits have to be the foundation of each class with the portal (and JC recruits) used to fill holes. The problem Tinkle has had is of late before this year he’s been relying too much on portal and JCs. I think you have to have strong leadership from your veterans to make that work. With Ethan and Reichle gone from last year’s roster, the leadership on the roster lacked. And, of course, WT didn’t rise to the occasion. This class is the direction I think WT has to go — freshmen plus one or two portal guys to fill holes on the roster. OSU and WT are unlikely to get top portal guys around which to build a team. The next HC at Oregon State might be a guy who can lean on portal more because of a staff that will provide leadership and be able to articulate what he expects out of new players that come via the transfer route. WT hasn’t shown that ability. My hope is that Tinkle listens to his new hires and truly it's a collaboration of four coaches to come up with a game plan in coaching and recruiting. I think this is the best staff Tinkle has assembled. Start with defense,teamwork,rebounding and toughness. We don't need a team of all stars. We need guys who are unselfish and know their roles. A few bad apples can ruin a whole team...guys who are selfish and not playing team ball,as well as locker room problems. I almost think at this point,Wayne could make the tournament a couple more times and some fans still wouldn't think he was a quality coach. Their minds are made up. I want to see a team next year that is defense based and kids giving 100% for a cohesive unit. Similar to the teams Tinkle had in his first couple years. That is the kind of team I can support and root for.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 24, 2022 18:03:28 GMT -8
One of the biggest deficiencies of last season was defense. Offense didn't help a lot either. I would like to chalk it up to discord due to errors in recruiting that were/are a one year issue because I bothered to look at the Pac 12 Stats for the years Tinkle was here and a couple of the previous years, but we'll see. pac-12.com/content/mens-basketball-statistics Oregon State was DEAD LAST in the Pac in scoring defense in 2010, 2011, 2012 and 2013, then Tinkle arrived and they finished between 2nd and 7th every year except for last year, which they finished dead last, and by a long ways. 5 to 7 to 18+ extra points a game (Tinkle's first team give up 59.2 points a game, this last year was 78 points a game) average surrendered to your opponents can cause a lot of losses. OSU basketball seemingly used to take pride in it's family atmosphere. Reading between the lines with what one of the player's mon has said, they lost that this season. I hope they can get that back. I hope it really was the insertion of a couple bad apples that changed it, guess we'll find out in the upcoming season. The Elite 8 team really turned the screws on a bunch of it's opponents defensively during the tournament, and that really wasn't out of character for several of Tinkle's teams. It's going to take a lot to take the taste of this seasons out of a lot of fan's mouths, and like qbeaver mentioned above there are those who just don't forgive. One year really screwed it up, I'm hoping one year can help put it back together. Notice I said "help", not expecting miracles but some solid improvement would be real nice.
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Post by qbeaver on May 24, 2022 18:13:06 GMT -8
I don't have any answers as to why last year was completely abysmal. I had thought after an elite 8 run year before last,last years team had potential. What I didn't take into account the leadership factor,and the chemistry problems last years roster had. There was more talent on that team than what showed on the floor. I just hope this years roster buys in and can come out game to game and work hard especially at the defensive end. The two things you can control...effort and unselfishness. I root for Wayne because I like him personally,and think he coaches the right way in a sport who has plenty of guys who don't follow the rules. I have no expectations for next year...I just hope we can field a team we are all proud of.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 24, 2022 18:36:58 GMT -8
On the leadership thing, the loss of Ethan and Zach has been greatly understated I think. If Zach suddenly got to where he thought he's not sure about commercial real estate (think that's what he's doing right now) and wanted to pursue an MBA or other post-grad work and walk-on to play basketball for another year (I think he's got a year of eligibility left because of covid) he'd probably be our biggest recruiting get as far as immediate impact. I really liked both of those kids.
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Post by Judge Smails on May 24, 2022 20:24:27 GMT -8
On the leadership thing, the loss of Ethan and Zach has been greatly understated I think. If Zach suddenly got to where he thought he's not sure about commercial real estate (think that's what he's doing right now) and wanted to pursue an MBA or other post-grad work and walk-on to play basketball for another year (I think he's got a year of eligibility left because of covid) he'd probably be our biggest recruiting get as far as immediate impact. I really liked both of those kids. Zach does not have eligibility left. Once you start school, the clock starts ticking. He gave up his COVID year when he left.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on May 24, 2022 21:13:23 GMT -8
On the leadership thing, the loss of Ethan and Zach has been greatly understated I think. If Zach suddenly got to where he thought he's not sure about commercial real estate (think that's what he's doing right now) and wanted to pursue an MBA or other post-grad work and walk-on to play basketball for another year (I think he's got a year of eligibility left because of covid) he'd probably be our biggest recruiting get as far as immediate impact. I really liked both of those kids. Zach does not have eligibility left. Once you start school, the clock starts ticking. He gave up his COVID year when he left. I was looking at it as 6 to complete 4 versus the 5 to complete 4 because of covid. I wasn't sure, still am not, what happens if a student in good standing takes an academic year off. His clock began in fall of 17, if he'd stayed in school he'd have another year available because the '20-'21 season didn't count against anyone, wasn't sure what happens since he didn't. The assumption is a kid in that position would lose a year, but is that really the case?
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Post by seastape on May 24, 2022 22:10:37 GMT -8
We don't really know what kind of team we will have next year. Two things we do know...1. Not a lot of bigs on the 22-23 roster. 2. This team will be very young. What we don't know is what team chemistry will be,and what impact the two new assistant coaches will have on next years team. I think we upgraded at both assistant coaching jobs. One thing I will dispute with some fans...the portal has been hit and miss the last few years for osu. The group we had last year was poor for chemistry,but the previous year we added Alitishe,and Calloo who were important pieces of our elite 8 run. That being said,we have no idea whether Rochelin and Wright are going to be great contributors to a solid unit or bad for chemistry? Adding highly rated portal prospects doesn't guarantee success at any school...you need the right players to have success regardless if they are 3 or 4 or 5 star prospects. Just my .02. I'll admit that I am a constant pessimist. That being said, it is difficult to imagine that we will have a good team next year. Tinkle's teams start out slow and with a huge revamp of the team, I don't expect that to change. I expect to see OSU lose to a lot of patsies on next year's schedule and probably not do well in conference play, either, because of how young we'll be. I'd be shocked if the team reaches double digits in wins next year. Hope I'm wrong.
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Post by qbeaver on May 25, 2022 8:12:43 GMT -8
Having a season like osu had last year is unacceptable,but obviously very few expect us to be an elite 8 team consistently. Those are two polar opposite ends of the spectrum. I don't think it's out of the question to have a well coached team who plays hard and unselfish. That should be the bare minimum.
All of the kids who play today weren't even alive when Ralph Miller was alive and had great success at osu,so that was a lifetime ago. Most of their parents were probably in their teen when Ralph coached. That success has zero impact on any high school kid or prospect seeing great success in the 1970's and 1980's for osu MBB.
Very few teams outside of Arizona,uo,Ucla,and SC have consistently won at a high level in the PAC-12 over the past 10 years. That is 8 out of 12 teams who can't consistently win in this conference. UW two years ago won 5 games all season. The other 7 teams have had hit and miss success.
If osu is to have a consistent team for the big dance year in year out,osu will have to invest INITIALLY in a quality coach and staff to attract a top notch coach who can be a difference maker. Tinkle is middle of the road in the Pac in salary,but wasn't from the get go. Huge difference. Paying someone out of the gate will show osu is serious about being successful in MBB. Paying on the cheap has gotten osu 6-7 straight underwhelming hires. Minimal success. The odds of finding the next Pat Casey or Scott Rueck from a small school is very small in MBB. Just my .02.
Not a basketball expert but I have watched osu hoops since the early 1970's. Lonnie Shelton,Rocky Smith,George Tucker,Don Smith days. Loved osu hoops,and understood what it took to win. Play solid defense,unselfish players,and have a system players buy into. Ralph did that...
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 9, 2022 11:17:42 GMT -8
Hmmmm.
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Post by qbeaver on Sept 9, 2022 11:53:06 GMT -8
Another addition soon...
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