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Post by beaverbeliever on Sept 9, 2022 14:29:00 GMT -8
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 9, 2022 16:01:13 GMT -8
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Post by beaver94 on Sept 9, 2022 16:29:30 GMT -8
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Post by seastape on Sept 9, 2022 16:41:51 GMT -8
6'10" with weight on him. I like that.
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 9, 2022 19:31:03 GMT -8
Sounds like a definite project guy, Don’t think the competition he’s played against is very good — or tall. His former 6-8 high school teammate who he calls his mentor averaged 34 and 18 his senior year of HS. In 47 games at Lehigh, he’s averaged 5 and 4. Still, can’t teach size or wingspan, and Beavs needed some more size. And unfortunately Johnson hasn’t really panned out, so a move worth making.
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Post by ocbeav on Sept 9, 2022 19:45:07 GMT -8
Any video of him?
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 9, 2022 19:51:01 GMT -8
I saw one on YouTube — just Google his name and YouTube. As I suspected, looks like competition wasn’t very good and he looks like a man among boys size-wise. I will be pleasantly surprised if we get much out of him this year — though lack of depth at center might necessitate him having to play some.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 9, 2022 20:10:04 GMT -8
6'10" with weight on him. I like that. He’s only 6’6” and 220 in American height and weight. Stupid exchange rate.
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Post by osubeaver2018 on Sept 9, 2022 23:51:48 GMT -8
Sounds like a definite project guy, Don’t think the competition he’s played against is very good — or tall. His former 6-8 high school teammate who he calls his mentor averaged 34 and 18 his senior year of HS. In 47 games at Lehigh, he’s averaged 5 and 4. Still, can’t teach size or wingspan, and Beavs needed some more size. And unfortunately Johnson hasn’t really panned out, so a move worth making. OLive article said he had about a dozen D1 offers including WSU and Utah State. He is relatively new to basketball (only started playing in high school it appears), so while he may be more of a project it does sound like at least some other schools saw something in him too.
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 10, 2022 8:16:02 GMT -8
Sounds like a definite project guy, Don’t think the competition he’s played against is very good — or tall. His former 6-8 high school teammate who he calls his mentor averaged 34 and 18 his senior year of HS. In 47 games at Lehigh, he’s averaged 5 and 4. Still, can’t teach size or wingspan, and Beavs needed some more size. And unfortunately Johnson hasn’t really panned out, so a move worth making. OLive article said he had about a dozen D1 offers including WSU and Utah State. He is relatively new to basketball (only started playing in high school it appears), so while he may be more of a project it does sound like at least some other schools saw something in him too. Yep, like I said a worthwhile gamble I think, especially because didn’t look like Johnson was gonna be much of a contributor (hope he finds landing spot at a level he can play and contribute). Beavers have had pretty good luck developing bigs to at least be competent, so hopefully we see that here (hope it wasn’t Rupp doing all that developing). I’m interested in seeing how Marial looks this year. If he has added to his game and stays healthy, and if Ibekwe can develop, those two could be a nice tandem next year. A lot of ifs, but hope springs eternal.
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 14, 2022 3:37:35 GMT -8
Johnson transfers to Portland St. Never showed much with Beavers, but I hope he finds success at PSU — except when they play the Beavers.
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Post by beaverstever on Sept 14, 2022 12:04:28 GMT -8
OLive article said he had about a dozen D1 offers including WSU and Utah State. He is relatively new to basketball (only started playing in high school it appears), so while he may be more of a project it does sound like at least some other schools saw something in him too. Yep, like I said a worthwhile gamble I think, especially because didn’t look like Johnson was gonna be much of a contributor (hope he finds landing spot at a level he can play and contribute). Beavers have had pretty good luck developing bigs to at least be competent, so hopefully we see that here (hope it wasn’t Rupp doing all that developing). I’m interested in seeing how Marial looks this year. If he has added to his game and stays healthy, and if Ibekwe can develop, those two could be a nice tandem next year. A lot of ifs, but hope springs eternal. Not trying to argue, just curious why you see us developing bigs successfully under Tinkle, because my gut is the opposite. For success, certainly Kelly and Eubanks fit that description, and probably Silva is in that category. Andele, Rand tbd. For those that didn’t pan out here, the list seems longer: Washington, Big G, Cheikh, Gomis, Tucker, Jack Wilson Some of those that didn’t pan out her injury issues. Still, doesn’t seem like a program strength to me…
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Sept 14, 2022 13:10:03 GMT -8
Yep, like I said a worthwhile gamble I think, especially because didn’t look like Johnson was gonna be much of a contributor (hope he finds landing spot at a level he can play and contribute). Beavers have had pretty good luck developing bigs to at least be competent, so hopefully we see that here (hope it wasn’t Rupp doing all that developing). I’m interested in seeing how Marial looks this year. If he has added to his game and stays healthy, and if Ibekwe can develop, those two could be a nice tandem next year. A lot of ifs, but hope springs eternal. Not trying to argue, just curious why you see us developing bigs successfully under Tinkle, because my gut is the opposite. For success, certainly Kelly and Eubanks fit that description, and probably Silva is in that category. Andele, Rand tbd. For those that didn’t pan out here, the list seems longer: Washington, Big G, Cheikh, Gomis, Tucker, Jack Wilson Some of those that didn’t pan out her injury issues. Still, doesn’t seem like a program strength to me… Kelly and Eubanks certainly developed, Silva developed and will probably have a good Euro career ahead if he chooses to go there. Andela, we will find out about him soon enough. Cheikh and Gomis were basically injured and didn't get a couple years playing much under Tinkle. Washington, Tucker, Wilson all left way too early to really be in the "development" category in my opinion. That leaves Big G ,who in my opinion certainly became a much more solid basketball player over his time here and is still playing in Europe last I heard. To me the word "development" means taking a kid and improving their skills over a period of time, longer than one season. I personally think Tinkle (or whoever was working with them) did just that with the "bigs" over the last several years at Oregon State. Recruiting a 5 star kid or a high 4 star kid that is putting in an arbitrary year or two in college before going pro is not a good example of development in my opinion. I would hope that OSU eventually gets into a position where it can start landing highly ranked bigs, but in the meanwhile I'd really question the claim that he's not developing those who come here and stick around.
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Post by beaverinohio on Sept 15, 2022 4:50:49 GMT -8
Yep, like I said a worthwhile gamble I think, especially because didn’t look like Johnson was gonna be much of a contributor (hope he finds landing spot at a level he can play and contribute). Beavers have had pretty good luck developing bigs to at least be competent, so hopefully we see that here (hope it wasn’t Rupp doing all that developing). I’m interested in seeing how Marial looks this year. If he has added to his game and stays healthy, and if Ibekwe can develop, those two could be a nice tandem next year. A lot of ifs, but hope springs eternal. Not trying to argue, just curious why you see us developing bigs successfully under Tinkle, because my gut is the opposite. For success, certainly Kelly and Eubanks fit that description, and probably Silva is in that category. Andele, Rand tbd. For those that didn’t pan out here, the list seems longer: Washington, Big G, Cheikh, Gomis, Tucker, Jack Wilson Some of those that didn’t pan out her injury issues. Still, doesn’t seem like a program strength to me… I might be a bit optimistic in my assessment, though I did say developing bigs to be “at least competent.” And while it may not necessarily be a program strength per se, there have been enough “successes” that it is not a weakness in my book. I think we agree Drew and Kylor were well above competent, and I’d put Silva as competent (and we really did see some nice developments). For me, Andela is just a shade below competent, but if he hadn’t gotten hurt last year I think he would have got to the competent line. Hopefully he stays healthy and that happens this year. As to Rand, I was really thinking more about center types of bigs with my original post, so wasn’t really thinking about him. But I do like him and his motor, but jury still out on him. I did notice that he’s not listed on current roster and vaguely remember hearing he transferred, so might not find out. In your second list, again wasn’t really thinking about Washington, and we really don’t know what would have happened if he had stayed longer. Wilson was hurt and transferred too early to get a read on. Tucker’s development was disappointing. I thought/ he had possibilities, and he just didn’t develop much. He did leave after two years, so technically an “incomplete,” but I just didn’t see him getting to the competent level. His stats at Indiana St this past year seem to show he didn’t develop much here. I will say he and Washington fell victim to an area in which Tinkle needs to improve — playing guys in games to develop them. Especially in today’s crazy transfer climate, HCs need to be able to balance current team success with developmental playing time for young players. So that brings us to Big G, who is interesting because I think he did develop while here, but never quite got to my threshold of being “competent,”. He had his moments and certainly contributed, but for me just fell a tad short. Happy to see he’s having some success overseas. I know this has gotten way too long, but one thing I’ll add. When I wrote that Marial and Ibekwe could develop into a nice tandem, I was thinking along the lines of the center play on the E8 team. Individually I’ve only given Silva a competent rating, but as a group — him, Andela and a little Tucker mixed in — were a competent group. They weren’t great, but had some good moments and generally helped the team. If Marial and Ibekwe can be developed to that point, we’ll be OK or better in the 2023-24 season. And they have the added advantage over the E8 group of being rim protector types, which fit better into what WT wants to do defensively. But based on what I’ve seen in video, have a long ways to go to get there.
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Post by aicandme on Sept 15, 2022 7:17:27 GMT -8
Not trying to argue, just curious why you see us developing bigs successfully under Tinkle, because my gut is the opposite. For success, certainly Kelly and Eubanks fit that description, and probably Silva is in that category. Andele, Rand tbd. For those that didn’t pan out here, the list seems longer: Washington, Big G, Cheikh, Gomis, Tucker, Jack Wilson Some of those that didn’t pan out her injury issues. Still, doesn’t seem like a program strength to me… I might be a bit optimistic in my assessment, though I did say developing bigs to be “at least competent.” And while it may not necessarily be a program strength per se, there have been enough “successes” that it is not a weakness in my book. I think we agree Drew and Kylor were well above competent, and I’d put Silva as competent (and we really did see some nice developments). For me, Andela is just a shade below competent, but if he hadn’t gotten hurt last year I think he would have got to the competent line. Hopefully he stays healthy and that happens this year. As to Rand, I was really thinking more about center types of bigs with my original post, so wasn’t really thinking about him. But I do like him and his motor, but jury still out on him. I did notice that he’s not listed on current roster and vaguely remember hearing he transferred, so might not find out. In your second list, again wasn’t really thinking about Washington, and we really don’t know what would have happened if he had stayed longer. Wilson was hurt and transferred too early to get a read on. Tucker’s development was disappointing. I thought/ he had possibilities, and he just didn’t develop much. He did leave after two years, so technically an “incomplete,” but I just didn’t see him getting to the competent level. His stats at Indiana St this past year seem to show he didn’t develop much here. I will say he and Washington fell victim to an area in which Tinkle needs to improve — playing guys in games to develop them. Especially in today’s crazy transfer climate, HCs need to be able to balance current team success with developmental playing time for young players. So that brings us to Big G, who is interesting because I think he did develop while here, but never quite got to my threshold of being “competent,”. He had his moments and certainly contributed, but for me just fell a tad short. Happy to see he’s having some success overseas. I know this has gotten way too long, but one thing I’ll add. When I wrote that Marial and Ibekwe could develop into a nice tandem, I was thinking along the lines of the center play on the E8 team. Individually I’ve only given Silva a competent rating, but as a group — him, Andela and a little Tucker mixed in — were a competent group. They weren’t great, but had some good moments and generally helped the team. If Marial and Ibekwe can be developed to that point, we’ll be OK or better in the 2023-24 season. And they have the added advantage over the E8 group of being rim protector types, which fit better into what WT wants to do defensively. But based on what I’ve seen in video, have a long ways to go to get there. Rand transfered to Wisc-Milwaukee mkepanthers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/ahmad-rand/14053
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