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Post by korculabeav on Jan 14, 2023 8:39:42 GMT -8
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Post by fishbeav on Jan 14, 2023 8:51:43 GMT -8
That they could make an offer like the is pathetic, I agree with some type of reasonable stipend to student athletes but Universities are educational institutions not the NFL minor leagues! The NIL deals need some controls.
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 14, 2023 8:59:42 GMT -8
Supposedly a school and the collective aren't to be working together to bring in a recruit. How does a collective know who it should go all in on?
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 14, 2023 9:04:10 GMT -8
13 million over 4 years is a very late 1st really round draft spot including signing bonus. 13 a year is a top 10 pick.
What...
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Jan 14, 2023 9:11:49 GMT -8
Supposedly a school and the collective aren't to be working together to bring in a recruit. How does a collective know who it should go all in on? The first thing they should do is set up rules and enforcement for collectives that only allow negotiations with enrolled students. That would eliminate at least some of the issues with schools working with collectives to poach specific players. |
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Post by alwaysorange on Jan 14, 2023 9:20:24 GMT -8
In the nfl a potential draft pick goes through all kinds of health and mental reviews. And at 21 or so these potential draft picks have 3 or 4years of college experience. These high schoolers are getting paid millions without any such health reviews or playing experience. It really makes no sense.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jan 14, 2023 9:34:10 GMT -8
Absolutely ridiculous and not the intent of the ruling. I hope these big deals blow up in the faces of the idiots laying out the cash.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Jan 14, 2023 10:55:12 GMT -8
Absolutely ridiculous and not the intent of the ruling. I hope these big deals blow up in the faces of the idiots laying out the cash. This is going to be a thing eventually and will come back to bite a school's ass. And I'm here for it when it happens at hole |
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Post by rob85 on Jan 14, 2023 15:01:25 GMT -8
I wanted to write a coherent post, but couldn't see how to do that.
Should NIL compensation have limitations to create a balanced competition? I would say yes. Who will do that?
The NCAA? No, for a variety of reasons. Anyone expecting direction from them is living in La La Land, and even if they had the will and the competence to do so, do they have the jurisdiction? No clue on my part, would love to hear from lawyers on that.
The schools? No, the NCAA is their creation, are they going to end it and replace it with something better? Hmm, let's form a 20 member committee to study that....
The NIL collectives? Now I am really into the realm of absurdity. The inmates running the asylum.
Maybe one day free market forces will provide some restraint, as people pour millions in for an end result that is essentially bragging rights. Can't do that forever. But I don't expect this is going to change soon.
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 14, 2023 15:18:43 GMT -8
13 million over 4 years is a very late 1st really round draft spot including signing bonus. 13 a year is a top 10 pick. What... And further, why is it even four years? What are the stipulations in all this? Can he pocket, then leave after a year for another deal? This is a total s%#t show with no guard rails at all. One can defend the concept of NIL without defending the current implementation. |
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 14, 2023 15:26:49 GMT -8
13 million over 4 years is a very late 1st really round draft spot including signing bonus. 13 a year is a top 10 pick. What... And further, why is it even four years? What are the stipulations in all this? Can he pocket, then leave after a year for another deal? This is a total s%#t show with no guard rails at all. One can defend the concept of NIL without defending the current implementation. I couldn't figure out if it was 1 or 4 years |
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Post by jrbeavo on Jan 14, 2023 15:47:42 GMT -8
And further, why is it even four years? What are the stipulations in all this? Can he pocket, then leave after a year for another deal? This is a total s%#t show with no guard rails at all. One can defend the concept of NIL without defending the current implementation. I couldn't figure out if it was 1 or 4 years That is my point, no one can. Who is negotiation these things? Is the kid in breach if he wants to transfer? Claw backs? The whole thing is insane |
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Post by obf on Jan 17, 2023 9:36:17 GMT -8
In the nfl a potential draft pick goes through all kinds of health and mental reviews. And at 21 or so these potential draft picks have 3 or 4years of college experience. These high schoolers are getting paid millions without any such health reviews or playing experience. It really makes no sense. The MLB throws millions of dollars at 17 year olds with 95 mph fastballs all the time. Heck, the international draft is even more of a crazy dice roll, many times giving a poor kid from Dominican Republic or Haiti a couple million at 13 or 14 just because of his physical build. The amount of money is almost immaterial, and so are any of these that "Blow up in their faces". Folks with money are going to spend it to try to win, they have all along anyways, just under the table. I agree that it would be nice to have some more regulations on it, but I also have no faith that any regulations would be anything more than window dressing. The NCAA is an ineffectual, paper mache organization. It's like when FIFA or the olympic committee say they are going to crack down on cheating or corruption.... suuuuuuure. ::eyeroll:: For how much we fret over this, we still haven't actually seen it bite US in the butt too badly, and in fact are using it to our advantage as well (Jade Carey, the two collectives we have now helping the current student athletes). The thing I would like to see more of is a more even distribution. One kid getting a bunch of NIL money while half the team gets peanuts or nothing seems like it would sow team discord and doesn't seem all that fair. Maybe there needs to be a minimum stipend or something. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 17, 2023 12:54:09 GMT -8
In the nfl a potential draft pick goes through all kinds of health and mental reviews. And at 21 or so these potential draft picks have 3 or 4years of college experience. These high schoolers are getting paid millions without any such health reviews or playing experience. It really makes no sense. The MLB throws millions of dollars at 17 year olds with 95 mph fastballs all the time. Heck, the international draft is even more of a crazy dice roll, many times giving a poor kid from Dominican Republic or Haiti a couple million at 13 or 14 just because of his physical build. The amount of money is almost immaterial, and so are any of these that "Blow up in their faces". Folks with money are going to spend it to try to win, they have all along anyways, just under the table. I agree that it would be nice to have some more regulations on it, but I also have no faith that any regulations would be anything more than window dressing. The NCAA is an ineffectual, paper mache organization. It's like when FIFA or the olympic committee say they are going to crack down on cheating or corruption.... suuuuuuure. ::eyeroll:: For how much we fret over this, we still haven't actually seen it bite US in the butt too badly, and in fact are using it to our advantage as well (Jade Carey, the two collectives we have now helping the current student athletes). The thing I would like to see more of is a more even distribution. One kid getting a bunch of NIL money while half the team gets peanuts or nothing seems like it would sow team discord and doesn't seem all that fair. Maybe there needs to be a minimum stipend or something. MLB draft bonus pools are a finite amount, as are international bonus signing pools. What we have going on in the NIL is the wild west - no limits, no caps, no rules it seems at all. |
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Post by beaver55to7 on Jan 17, 2023 14:32:16 GMT -8
The MLB throws millions of dollars at 17 year olds with 95 mph fastballs all the time. Heck, the international draft is even more of a crazy dice roll, many times giving a poor kid from Dominican Republic or Haiti a couple million at 13 or 14 just because of his physical build. The amount of money is almost immaterial, and so are any of these that "Blow up in their faces". Folks with money are going to spend it to try to win, they have all along anyways, just under the table. I agree that it would be nice to have some more regulations on it, but I also have no faith that any regulations would be anything more than window dressing. The NCAA is an ineffectual, paper mache organization. It's like when FIFA or the olympic committee say they are going to crack down on cheating or corruption.... suuuuuuure. ::eyeroll:: For how much we fret over this, we still haven't actually seen it bite US in the butt too badly, and in fact are using it to our advantage as well (Jade Carey, the two collectives we have now helping the current student athletes). The thing I would like to see more of is a more even distribution. One kid getting a bunch of NIL money while half the team gets peanuts or nothing seems like it would sow team discord and doesn't seem all that fair. Maybe there needs to be a minimum stipend or something. MLB draft bonus pools are a finite amount, as are international bonus signing pools. What we have going on in the NIL is the wild west - no limits, no caps, no rules it seems at all. That's because you are comparing apples to oranges. NIL is sponsorship, not pay for play (wink wink). There is no limit on what a MLB player can make through their sponsorships, or name image and likeness, just as there is now no limit on what a college player can make through their name image and likeness, and it will be hell to figure out a way to regulate that. The courts will almost certainly almost immediately throw out any regulation of NIL as stomping all over the rights of the athletes. The only rule is what the market will bear, just like for any of the rest of us when it comes to pay. The only way it ever gets regulated is if a court has an 'aha' moment and says "these payments clearly aren't for NIL, they are pay for play payments." Seems like the likely outcome then is the courts will rule the athletes are employees. Then the athletes can collective bargain etc. |
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