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Post by larbeav on Jan 25, 2023 16:13:56 GMT -8
I should know or remember but was Jordan Poyer a walk-on or scholarship player while entering Oregon State? # great player.
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Post by nuclearbeaver on Jan 25, 2023 16:36:41 GMT -8
2 Star Astoria boy in the 2009 class. We were his only P5 scholie offer.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 25, 2023 17:09:23 GMT -8
2 Star Astoria boy in the 2009 class. We were his only P5 scholie offer. Jordan was drafted in the 42nd round by the Marlins and most felt that he was going to play pro baseball. He originally caught Oregon State's eye because they thought that he could come in with a football scholarship and play for Pat Casey, like Riley had done for Dallas Buck's first season in Corvallis. It was somewhat of a surprise that Jordan didn't try playing baseball until his junior season.
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Post by babeav on Jan 25, 2023 17:10:09 GMT -8
Pretty sure he was at first a PWO but a scholie opened late and he received it.
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 25, 2023 17:25:19 GMT -8
Pretty sure he was at first a PWO but a scholie opened late and he received it. That was exactly the case, but it wasn't a preferred walk-on offer, it was a grayshirt offer. Back in those days you had staffs offering more scholarships than they had openings, knowing that there was going to be some unexpected attrition from their commitments. You never knew when Rick Neuheisel was going to be across the street from your recruit waving at them from a cell phone on the eve of NLI day. Riley and Co tried to be transparent with their recruits and told them "We already have 25 commitments for this class but if a scholarship opens up then it's yours". If the scholarship didn't open up, they were going to sit out the fall then join the team for spring ball and their schollie would be counted against the next class instead. This way you got late-bloomers an extra spring and a whole year to grow and add strength before their redshirt year began and only a few months of it would be lost in terms of time/development. Riley also did stuff like helping put together grant-in-aid packages that were for a set period of time and then a scholarship would be awarded. Matt Sieverson grayshirted his first season then had 3 years of grant-in-aid packages followed by 2 years on scholarship. Only one of those 2 years counted against the 85 schollie limit because Matt played special teams as a true freshman.
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Post by Judge Smails on Jan 25, 2023 17:58:15 GMT -8
Pretty sure he was at first a PWO but a scholie opened late and he received it. That was exactly the case, but it wasn't a preferred walk-on offer, it was a grayshirt offer. Back in those days you had staffs offering more scholarships than they had openings, knowing that there was going to be some unexpected attrition from their commitments. You never knew when Rick Neuheisel was going to be across the street from your recruit waving at them from a cell phone on the eve of NLI day. Riley and Co tried to be transparent with their recruits and told them "We already have 25 commitments for this class but if a scholarship opens up then it's yours". If the scholarship didn't open up, they were going to sit out the fall then join the team for spring ball and their schollie would be counted against the next class instead. This way you got late-bloomers an extra spring and a whole year to grow and add strength before their redshirt year began and only a few months of it would be lost in terms of time/development. Riley also did stuff like helping put together grant-in-aid packages that were for a set period of time and then a scholarship would be awarded. Matt Sieverson grayshirted his first season then had 3 years of grant-in-aid packages followed by 2 years on scholarship. Only one of those 2 years counted against the 85 schollie limit because Matt played special teams as a true freshman. I thought Grant-in-aid packages were against the rules. You sure about that?
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Post by orangeattack on Jan 26, 2023 11:05:23 GMT -8
That was exactly the case, but it wasn't a preferred walk-on offer, it was a grayshirt offer. Back in those days you had staffs offering more scholarships than they had openings, knowing that there was going to be some unexpected attrition from their commitments. You never knew when Rick Neuheisel was going to be across the street from your recruit waving at them from a cell phone on the eve of NLI day. Riley and Co tried to be transparent with their recruits and told them "We already have 25 commitments for this class but if a scholarship opens up then it's yours". If the scholarship didn't open up, they were going to sit out the fall then join the team for spring ball and their schollie would be counted against the next class instead. This way you got late-bloomers an extra spring and a whole year to grow and add strength before their redshirt year began and only a few months of it would be lost in terms of time/development. Riley also did stuff like helping put together grant-in-aid packages that were for a set period of time and then a scholarship would be awarded. Matt Sieverson grayshirted his first season then had 3 years of grant-in-aid packages followed by 2 years on scholarship. Only one of those 2 years counted against the 85 schollie limit because Matt played special teams as a true freshman. I thought Grant-in-aid packages were against the rules. You sure about that? Pretty sure, yeah. I was covering recruiting and a buddy of mine was his coach at Bend High School. Early/mid-2000's Oregon State was doing this with preferred walk ons. There were a few guys who came in as walk-ons and while they enrolled in school, they didn't enroll in enough classes to qualify as a full time student until they joined the football team.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jan 26, 2023 11:56:24 GMT -8
Sounds like the Bills are not gonna pony up for a big contract, he's in his 30s and has been hurt a lot the past two years. They may franchise him but his wife seems to think his time there is over.
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 26, 2023 12:24:17 GMT -8
Sounds like the Bills are not gonna pony up for a big contract, he's in his 30s and has been hurt a lot the past two years. They may franchise him but his wife seems to think his time there is over. Over with the Bills, or OVER over? I mean, next year would be his 11th season, but he was All-Pro last year, and made the Pro Bowl roster this year.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 26, 2023 14:27:34 GMT -8
Sounds like the Bills are not gonna pony up for a big contract, he's in his 30s and has been hurt a lot the past two years. They may franchise him but his wife seems to think his time there is over. Poyer's tag value would be $14.47 million. And the Bills are projected to be $16.73 million over the cap without Poyer. Poyer was a steal at the $10.08 that the Bills paid him this year, but Poyer is probably not worth $14.47 million. The Bills are probably not a great landing place for Poyer, if Poyer is looking for a big payday. Maybe Cincinnati next year? I think that both Bengal safeties will be free agents.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 26, 2023 14:28:14 GMT -8
Sounds like the Bills are not gonna pony up for a big contract, he's in his 30s and has been hurt a lot the past two years. They may franchise him but his wife seems to think his time there is over. Over with the Bills, or OVER over? I mean, next year would be his 11th season, but he was All-Pro last year, and made the Pro Bowl roster this year. Over with the Bills. I doubt that Poyer's done. He has been the best safety in the NFL the past 2-3 years.
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Post by babeav on Jan 26, 2023 15:09:48 GMT -8
Grey shirt offer, exactly, didn’t remember all the details. Thanks for the clarification.
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Post by kersting13 on Jan 27, 2023 8:19:21 GMT -8
Sounds like the Bills are not gonna pony up for a big contract, he's in his 30s and has been hurt a lot the past two years. They may franchise him but his wife seems to think his time there is over. Poyer's tag value would be $14.47 million. And the Bills are projected to be $16.73 million over the cap without Poyer. Poyer was a steal at the $10.08 that the Bills paid him this year, but Poyer is probably not worth $14.47 million. The Bills are probably not a great landing place for Poyer, if Poyer is looking for a big payday. Maybe Cincinnati next year? I think that both Bengal safeties will be free agents. The Bengals will likely move on from Jessie Bates III for the same reason the Bills are letting go of Poyer - he will cost too much. Popular opinion is that they will try to re-sign Von Bell and 2022 first round draft pick Dax Hill will fill Bates’ spot. Traditionally, the Bengals do not invest heavily in the safety position.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jan 27, 2023 12:56:41 GMT -8
Poyer's tag value would be $14.47 million. And the Bills are projected to be $16.73 million over the cap without Poyer. Poyer was a steal at the $10.08 that the Bills paid him this year, but Poyer is probably not worth $14.47 million. The Bills are probably not a great landing place for Poyer, if Poyer is looking for a big payday. Maybe Cincinnati next year? I think that both Bengal safeties will be free agents. The Bengals will likely move on from Jessie Bates III for the same reason the Bills are letting go of Poyer - he will cost too much. Popular opinion is that they will try to re-sign Von Bell and 2022 first round draft pick Dax Hill will fill Bates’ spot. Traditionally, the Bengals do not invest heavily in the safety position. Atlanta then?
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