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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 21, 2023 7:22:56 GMT -8
If they don’t make it back do their survivors get a refund on their $250,000 tickets? Seems only fair.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 21, 2023 10:08:12 GMT -8
Reminds me of an old joke.
"What do you call two billionaires on the bottom of the ocean?"
"A good start."
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Post by seastape on Jun 21, 2023 11:20:20 GMT -8
I saw an article, which admittedly I did not read in depth, that the tourists signed a waiver that included clauses that waived any lawsuit rights up to and including death. I think a good civil attorney can get past such clauses, but they can be a hinderance.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 21, 2023 12:30:53 GMT -8
I saw an article, which admittedly I did not read in depth, that the tourists signed a waiver that included clauses that waived any lawsuit rights up to and including death. I think a good civil attorney can get past such clauses, but they can be a hinderance. "Yes, my client signed the waiver knowing full well the dangers of going three miles underwater in a glorified garbage can, and signed that waiver with a sound mind and under no duress whatsoever, but now that something has happened we want money." |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 21, 2023 12:34:00 GMT -8
I saw an article, which admittedly I did not read in depth, that the tourists signed a waiver that included clauses that waived any lawsuit rights up to and including death. I think a good civil attorney can get past such clauses, but they can be a hinderance. I am curious what law applies. The Titan left from Labrador on a trip to international waters. If it got out to international waters, there would be a question about where the submarine is registered, because, theoretically, that nation's laws would apply. They never found MH370, and Ketanji Brown dismissed all of those lawsuits and that dismissal was upheld by the United States Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia Circuit. You could probably sue OceanGate in Washington, but the company's founder, Stockton Rush, is at the bottom of the ocean right now, so great luck wikh that! Maybe there is insurance? Otherwise, you are probably going to have to find the submarine to prove some kind of product defect. You need some evidence to bring a non-frivolous lawsuit, especially a lawsuit involving an ocean voyage from Labrador to international waters. And with all of the evidence presumably at the bottom of the ocean, how are you going to put together the evidence to create your lawsuit? |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 21, 2023 12:39:03 GMT -8
I saw an article, which admittedly I did not read in depth, that the tourists signed a waiver that included clauses that waived any lawsuit rights up to and including death. I think a good civil attorney can get past such clauses, but they can be a hinderance. "Yes, my client signed the waiver knowing full well the dangers of going three miles underwater in a glorified garbage can, and signed that waiver with a sound mind and under no duress whatsoever, but now that something has happened we want money." Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, my client is a savvy multi-billionaire titan of industry. But he had absolutely no idea what the terms of the contract meant, when he signed it. Suleman Dawood, as a 19-year-old student, probably has a much better chance at beating the waiver than the rest. It is hard to imagine that any of these guys' families are hurting for money so bad that they would try and sue anybody, though. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 21, 2023 15:31:14 GMT -8
Wilky.....would/could a person's life insurance policy be negated by the risks associated with this activity?
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 21, 2023 15:59:22 GMT -8
Wilky.....would/could a person's life insurance policy be negated by the risks associated with this activity? Lawyer's favorite answer, "It depends." Usually, unless you lie on your application about something (like going on deep sea dives in a submarine), and it has been more than two years, since you purchased your policy in Arizona, you are covered. Having said that, if you are specifically buying life insurance, because you are going to start trying to take a makeshift submarine not rated at 13,000 feet that is operated by a fly-by-night thrill-seeking company down to the bottom of the Atlantic, unless that is specifically disclosed to the insurance company, you may not be covered. Additionally, these guys may have bigger policies with more endorsements and disclaimers than a normal policy. A bright underwriter may have thrown on a submarine or thrill-seeking disclaimer/endorsement onto the life insurance policy. Insurance cases usually come down to the four corners of the policy, including all disclaimers and endorsements. And if submarines aren't specifically disclaimed on your standard life insurance policy, expect new endorsements to start being generated immediately. Just like you started seeing terrorism endorsements almost immediately after 9/11. |
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Post by lebaneaver on Jun 21, 2023 16:50:58 GMT -8
Wilky.....would/could a person's life insurance policy be negated by the risks associated with this activity? Lawyer's favorite answer, "It depends." Usually, unless you lie on your application about something (like going on deep sea dives in a submarine), and it has been more than two years, since you purchased your policy in Arizona, you are covered. Having said that, if you are specifically buying life insurance, because you are going to start trying to take a makeshift submarine not rated at 13,000 feet that is operated by a fly-by-night thrill-seeking company down to the bottom of the Atlantic, unless that is specifically disclosed to the insurance company, you may not be covered. Additionally, these guys may have bigger policies with more endorsements and disclaimers than a normal policy. A bright underwriter may have thrown on a submarine or thrill-seeking disclaimer/endorsement onto the life insurance policy. Insurance cases usually come down to the four corners of the policy, including all disclaimers and endorsements. And if submarines aren't specifically disclaimed on your standard life insurance policy, expect new endorsements to start being generated immediately. Just like you started seeing terrorism endorsements almost immediately after 9/11. Dayem!! I was just getting ready to write a 250K check, too. 🙄. Thanks for the scholarly explanation! Take care |
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Post by EmeraldEmpire on Jun 21, 2023 17:42:02 GMT -8
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Post by irimi on Jun 22, 2023 6:01:00 GMT -8
Good news is now with your single ticket, you can look at the remains of two wrecks at the bottom of the ocean! Sign up today!
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Post by irimi on Jun 22, 2023 8:06:36 GMT -8
Breaking news is that they've found a debris field, probably of the sub. Cue up dumb ways to die.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 22, 2023 15:24:38 GMT -8
Breaking news is that they've found a debris field, probably of the sub. Cue up dumb ways to die. They confirmed that the debris found is of the submersible. The debris found includes the nose cone, the front end bell of the pressure hull, and the other end of the pressure hull. It looks like a catastrophic pressure hull failure. "The sea gives, and the sea takes." -- Avatar II. |
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Post by irimi on Jun 22, 2023 16:21:35 GMT -8
Breaking news is that they've found a debris field, probably of the sub. Cue up dumb ways to die. They confirmed that the debris found is of the submersible. The debris found includes the nose cone, the front end bell of the pressure hull, and the other end of the pressure hull. It looks like a catastrophic pressure hull failure. "The sea gives, and the sea takes." -- Avatar II.Prefer Tom Waits' "The Ocean Doesn't Want me Today (/but I'll be back tomorrow to play.)" Avatar 1 was such a crappy movie. Oh, the white foreigner can come into the new world and save them all and get the princess. Such an old and worn out trope. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Jun 22, 2023 16:24:21 GMT -8
They confirmed that the debris found is of the submersible. The debris found includes the nose cone, the front end bell of the pressure hull, and the other end of the pressure hull. It looks like a catastrophic pressure hull failure. "The sea gives, and the sea takes." -- Avatar II.Prefer Tom Waits' "The Ocean Doesn't Want me Today (/but I'll be back tomorrow to play.)" Avatar 1 was such a crappy movie. Oh, the white foreigner can come into the new world and save them all and get the princess. Such an old and worn out trope. Unobtainium. Idiotic! |
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