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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 22, 2023 9:28:15 GMT -8
No need at all to go to Tennessee, Texas and Louisiana and become an unmanageable, far-flung, money-wasted on travel league. Stay west. Stay compact. Stay regional. Agree in principle. If you're going to go far flung then you need to have geographic pods where the teams in the pods can mainly play each other. The Big 12 can possibly do this but we wouldn't have enough eastern teams with the teams mentioned. The problem with staying regional (which I wish we could do) is I don't think 8 teams is enough to attract decent media notice and a good media deal. And I don't want any MWC teams other than the ones mentioned and I don't think the addition of the others would help with a media contract. Possibilities I have thought of (and probably mainly fantasies) are: 1.) ACC implodes entirely, Stanford and Cal are looking for a home and BiG10 says "No." and/or 2.) Four corner schools become unhappy in Big12. Supposedly Colorado was never happy in Pac12 so doubt they are a possibility. Have heard Utah unhappy with Big12 already and AD at ASU was never hot on the idea. Who knows? Ideal for me would be regional conference of 10 or 12 schools. Well that's why the two-year deals with the WCC and the MWC give us some breathing room.
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Post by sportsfan85 on Dec 22, 2023 9:58:15 GMT -8
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Post by angrybeaver67 on Dec 22, 2023 10:24:41 GMT -8
@ Henry Skrimshander
I believe the MWC contract is only a 1-year deal. (Probably extendable…).
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 22, 2023 11:28:58 GMT -8
@ Henry Skrimshander I believe the MWC contract is only a 1-year deal. (Probably extendable…). Yes, with an option for 2025. I can see no reason why we and the MWC would not exercise the option. Even if the ACC does implode and other options open, it won't be for a while, given the long legal case I expect FSU vs. ACC will be. And I think we'll find that football games against the MWC will work out just fine.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Dec 22, 2023 13:16:32 GMT -8
Canzano says $255M split between OSU and WSU
Well done Beav Admin and lawyers
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Post by idaho on Dec 22, 2023 15:50:13 GMT -8
I'm no lawyer, but some of you are... any chance the NCAA allows a pause for the Pac 12 to rebuild in order to keep/regain P-5 status? Obviously it will depend on the level of teams we can bring in, but if that were on the table, I would think there would be a high interest in teams moving to a new Pac-12 if it meant P-5 status.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 22, 2023 16:00:42 GMT -8
I'm no lawyer, but some of you are... any chance the NCAA allows a pause for the Pac 12 to rebuild in order to keep/regain P-5 status? Obviously it will depend on the level of teams we can bring in, but if that were on the table, I would think there would be a high interest in teams moving to a new Pac-12 if it meant P-5 status. They're already giving us a 2 year pause. IF FSU were to succeed and bring down the Grant of Rights system, that might change just about everything, at which point they might demand everyone, and I mean everyone, just pause for a bit to figure it out.
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Post by idaho on Dec 22, 2023 16:44:50 GMT -8
I'm no lawyer, but some of you are... any chance the NCAA allows a pause for the Pac 12 to rebuild in order to keep/regain P-5 status? Obviously it will depend on the level of teams we can bring in, but if that were on the table, I would think there would be a high interest in teams moving to a new Pac-12 if it meant P-5 status. They're already giving us a 2 year pause. IF FSU were to succeed and bring down the Grant of Rights system, that might change just about everything, at which point they might demand everyone, and I mean everyone, just pause for a bit to figure it out. Yeah I get the two year pause to remain a conference and get to the minimum threshold ... I am talking about the opportunity to keep/regain P-5 status if we reload the conference. I have not heard anything about this for a while.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 22, 2023 16:55:45 GMT -8
They're already giving us a 2 year pause. IF FSU were to succeed and bring down the Grant of Rights system, that might change just about everything, at which point they might demand everyone, and I mean everyone, just pause for a bit to figure it out. Yeah I get the two year pause to remain a conference and get to the minimum threshold ... I am talking about the opportunity to keep/regain P-5 status if we reload the conference. I have not heard anything about this for a while. I thought thrPac-12 still considered to be "P5" for the next two years (It's still going to get playoff money for example) and once it's rebuilt it could remain as such, unless we don't meet certain standards. They've been really pretty vague on that, other than the ruling that no conference with fewer than X teams will get an automatic playoff berth. I still think it's quite possible there's a quiet plan to rebuild the Pac-12 AND make the MWC whole through expansion so there are still 10 conferences and the Pac-12 has a very strong case for keeping P5 status. I'm thinking the Pac-12 is a P5 "on time out" more than it has fully lost it's status. Has there ever been a statement from the NCAA that it has lost P5 status? Of course, FSU's lawsuit could screw that all up. If the ACC goes belly up there's a whole lot of turmoil that could happen.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 22, 2023 17:35:20 GMT -8
Yeah I get the two year pause to remain a conference and get to the minimum threshold ... I am talking about the opportunity to keep/regain P-5 status if we reload the conference. I have not heard anything about this for a while. I thought thrPac-12 still considered to be "P5" for the next two years (It's still going to get playoff money for example) and once it's rebuilt it could remain as such, unless we don't meet certain standards. They've been really pretty vague on that, other than the ruling that no conference with fewer than X teams will get an automatic playoff berth. I still think it's quite possible there's a quiet plan to rebuild the Pac-12 AND make the MWC whole through expansion so there are still 10 conferences and the Pac-12 has a very strong case for keeping P5 status. I'm thinking the Pac-12 is a P5 "on time out" more than it has fully lost it's status. Has there ever been a statement from the NCAA that it has lost P5 status? Of course, FSU's lawsuit could screw that all up. If the ACC goes belly up there's a whole lot of turmoil that could happen. P5 was only a thing, because of the current CFP contract. Once that contract runs out in January 2026, P5 will be a worthless designation. To try and drive home the point, the American Athletic Conference is still officially a BCS AQ conference on the books. But that is now 100% meaningless. Oregon State will be P5 until January 2026. After that, Oregon State can still claim to be a P5 team, and a BCS AQ team. And a Bowl Alliance member. And a Bowl Coalition member before that. You can have all of the useless designations you want. Like that scene from Finding Bobby Fischer, where the dude keeps handing Josh certificates: You want P5? You have it.
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Post by bill82 on Dec 24, 2023 15:26:50 GMT -8
I thought thrPac-12 still considered to be "P5" for the next two years (It's still going to get playoff money for example) and once it's rebuilt it could remain as such, unless we don't meet certain standards. They've been really pretty vague on that, other than the ruling that no conference with fewer than X teams will get an automatic playoff berth. I still think it's quite possible there's a quiet plan to rebuild the Pac-12 AND make the MWC whole through expansion so there are still 10 conferences and the Pac-12 has a very strong case for keeping P5 status. I'm thinking the Pac-12 is a P5 "on time out" more than it has fully lost it's status. Has there ever been a statement from the NCAA that it has lost P5 status? Of course, FSU's lawsuit could screw that all up. If the ACC goes belly up there's a whole lot of turmoil that could happen. P5 was only a thing, because of the current CFP contract. Once that contract runs out in January 2026, P5 will be a worthless designation. To try and drive home the point, the American Athletic Conference is still officially a BCS AQ conference on the books. But that is now 100% meaningless. Oregon State will be P5 until January 2026. After that, Oregon State can still claim to be a P5 team, and a BCS AQ team. And a Bowl Alliance member. And a Bowl Coalition member before that. You can have all of the useless designations you want. Like that scene from Finding Bobby Fischer, where the dude keeps handing Josh certificates: You want P5? You have it. I understood the P5 designation to be slang for Autonomous 5. And I understood Autonomous to mean exempt from certain NCAA spending limits. It was a choice to be autonomous and spend more money. If we and additions want to be autonomous, just like the G5/non-autonomous schools chose to be when joining the P5 Big 12, so be it. I did not think P5 was just about perceptions or narratives.
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 24, 2023 15:34:39 GMT -8
P5 was only a thing, because of the current CFP contract. Once that contract runs out in January 2026, P5 will be a worthless designation. To try and drive home the point, the American Athletic Conference is still officially a BCS AQ conference on the books. But that is now 100% meaningless. Oregon State will be P5 until January 2026. After that, Oregon State can still claim to be a P5 team, and a BCS AQ team. And a Bowl Alliance member. And a Bowl Coalition member before that. You can have all of the useless designations you want. Like that scene from Finding Bobby Fischer, where the dude keeps handing Josh certificates: You want P5? You have it. I understood the P5 designation to be slang for Autonomous 5. And I understood Autonomous to mean exempt from certain NCAA spending limits. It was a choice to be autonomous and spend more money. If we and additions want to be autonomous, just like the G5/non-autonomous schools chose to be when joining the P5 Big 12, so be it. I did not think P5 was just about perceptions or narratives. The Pac-12 is still autonomous. But we could choose to retain that or not. It is more expensive to remain autonomous. And it does not really net you anything.
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