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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 9, 2016 17:33:59 GMT -8
I'm guessing that DeCoud runs a 4.5 40 at the combine. He doesn't have elite recovery speed but he's so long and so smooth. Great hips, great feel for the ball.. I'm surprised that we are so far apart on this tbh, we see eye to eye more often than not. I'm saying he's going to get voted All-Conference by opposing coaches and he's definitely getting an invite to the combine. Not far apart at all. Mostly conjectures at this point. I'm simply pointing out he's got a long way/lot of ground to make up in many "draftniks" eyes to even get drafted. Only 8 CBs taken in top 2 rounds last year. Almost all in 5'10-6'1" with better measures and on better defenses. Whether he's 1st or 2nd team all Pac12 is again a too esrly to call, but he's rated a distant 6th-10th best CB at this point. Who knows how it turns out and how coaches vote... but, in either case it has little to do with draft stock.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 9, 2016 17:51:59 GMT -8
I know that 40 times are all total hogwash, we've had long discussions about hand-times and electronic times and whatever but DeCoud was a JC-All American and he had some eyeballs on him. The word was that he ran a 4.45 coming out of juco. Thinking he's going to run a mid 4.5 type of time based on my super accurate eyeball watch.
Hargreaves (11 overall) ran a 4.50 Mackensie Alexander (54 overall) ran a 4.50
Everybody else at the CB position was in the 4.4 range or below. So maybe you're right about him not having the elite speed he needs to be 1st round and I'm just being a little over fanboy-ish because he's a Beav.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 9, 2016 18:19:50 GMT -8
I know that 40 times are all total hogwash, we've had long discussions about hand-times and electronic times and whatever but DeCoud was a JC-All American and he had some eyeballs on him. The word was that he ran a 4.45 coming out of juco. Thinking he's going to run a mid 4.5 type of time based on my super accurate eyeball watch. Hargreaves (11 overall) ran a 4.50 Mackensie Alexander (54 overall) ran a 4.50 Everybody else at the CB position was in the 4.4 range or below. So maybe you're right about him not having the elite speed he needs to be 1st round and I'm just being a little over fanboy-ish because he's a Beav. Nothing wrong with wanting Beavs to succeed. But, all conjecture on my part. A team can fall in love with certain players. CB may the toughest position to break thru in the NFL. You see below average NFL QBs lead teams, but average CBs don't stay around long. Often seen as the best overall athletes on the field and most difficult to replace.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 9, 2016 18:39:35 GMT -8
Good football player. First rounder? Since Adoree Jackson and Peppers of Michigans or two of the first round cbs not sure if Decoud will be.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 9, 2016 18:58:31 GMT -8
Good football player. First rounder? Since Adoree Jackson and Peppers of Michigans or two of the first round cbs not sure if Decoud will be. I will put money down that he doesn't slip into the 5th round though, as long as he can run sub 4.6, because of his length and production.
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 9, 2016 20:18:13 GMT -8
I'm guessing that DeCoud runs a 4.5 40 at the combine. He doesn't have elite recovery speed but he's so long and so smooth. Great hips, great feel for the ball.. I'm surprised that we are so far apart on this tbh, we see eye to eye more often than not. I'm saying he's going to get voted All-Conference by opposing coaches and he's definitely getting an invite to the combine. He reminds me a bit of Lazy D, so smooth he never looked like he was that fast, but he was totally scary for qb's and receivers
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 9, 2016 20:41:01 GMT -8
Throwing in my opinion that I think he ends up picked within the first 10 picks come that draft, maybe top 5. That's a not a very educated statement about this draft in particular, but rather that I just watched him go press coverage on an island against a big, dominating receiver and hold him to 4 receptions for 16 yards and zero TDs. Hansen's previous low was 98 yards that included 2 TDs vs. ASU this season. His physicality totally disrupted Webb's timing to Hansen. I just see him having the size and play style that suits the NFL really well. I suspect there are a lot of NFL scouts watching this game tape and are drooling.
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Post by ag87 on Oct 9, 2016 21:09:17 GMT -8
I know that 40 times are all total hogwash, we've had long discussions about hand-times and electronic times and whatever but DeCoud was a JC-All American and he had some eyeballs on him. The word was that he ran a 4.45 coming out of juco. Thinking he's going to run a mid 4.5 type of time based on my super accurate eyeball watch. Hargreaves (11 overall) ran a 4.50 Mackensie Alexander (54 overall) ran a 4.50 Everybody else at the CB position was in the 4.4 range or below. So maybe you're right about him not having the elite speed he needs to be 1st round and I'm just being a little over fanboy-ish because he's a Beav. One tenth of a second is not very much. When reading this discussion I think of Jordan Poyer. I'm not sure what his 40 time is or was but I know it's not high end. I saw him get caught from behind by the kicker on a return at USC. But I believe he sees routes and reacts about 0.2 seconds quicker than the cornerback who gets voted all Pac-10/12. DeCoud shutting down Hanson was a tremendous feat . . . something Poyer may have been able to do.
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 10, 2016 14:39:20 GMT -8
I know that 40 times are all total hogwash, we've had long discussions about hand-times and electronic times and whatever but DeCoud was a JC-All American and he had some eyeballs on him. The word was that he ran a 4.45 coming out of juco. Thinking he's going to run a mid 4.5 type of time based on my super accurate eyeball watch. Hargreaves (11 overall) ran a 4.50 Mackensie Alexander (54 overall) ran a 4.50 Everybody else at the CB position was in the 4.4 range or below. So maybe you're right about him not having the elite speed he needs to be 1st round and I'm just being a little over fanboy-ish because he's a Beav. One tenth of a second is not very much. When reading this discussion I think of Jordan Poyer. I'm not sure what his 40 time is or was but I know it's not high end. I saw him get caught from behind by the kicker on a return at USC. But I believe he sees routes and reacts about 0.2 seconds quicker than the cornerback who gets voted all Pac-10/12. DeCoud shutting down Hanson was a tremendous feat . . . something Poyer may have been able to do. Poyer was a ballhawking safety playing CB because of his size. When we moved him into the nickle and let him roam he killed it. He didn't need the closing speed because of his anticipation. Corner is a different beast. But if you're long and physical some speed can be given up, see Browner and Sherman.. but .1 seconds is huge when scouts are evaluating. I see more Lazy D in Treston too like mbabeav says above, but Weathersby had freakish closing speed at his size, a legit 4.4 guy at the combine. You want to talk about what "could have been" with him... dang.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 10, 2016 15:42:55 GMT -8
Good football player. First rounder? Since Adoree Jackson and Peppers of Michigans or two of the first round cbs not sure if Decoud will be. I will put money down that he doesn't slip into the 5th round though, as long as he can run sub 4.6, because of his length and production. Steven Nelson went in the 3rd. Treston DeCoud is as good, if not even a little better than Nelson. He will, 100% get a combine invite, barring injury. If he measures out well, with a decent 40 times, good interviews and all that stuff, I say a first 3 rounds lock. I will never predict a 1st round for anybody. that just gets too wildly subjective.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 26, 2016 7:59:42 GMT -8
I will put money down that he doesn't slip into the 5th round though, as long as he can run sub 4.6, because of his length and production. Steven Nelson went in the 3rd. Treston DeCoud is as good, if not even a little better than Nelson. He will, 100% get a combine invite, barring injury. If he measures out well, with a decent 40 times, good interviews and all that stuff, I say a first 3 rounds lock. I will never predict a 1st round for anybody. that just gets too wildly subjective. A little over half way through and this mock has him in the first 3 rounds to Seattle. Who says you can't improve your stock during the season. draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/10/26/2017-nfl-mock-draft-updated-three-round-projections/
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 26, 2016 9:21:23 GMT -8
Steven Nelson went in the 3rd. Treston DeCoud is as good, if not even a little better than Nelson. He will, 100% get a combine invite, barring injury. If he measures out well, with a decent 40 times, good interviews and all that stuff, I say a first 3 rounds lock. I will never predict a 1st round for anybody. that just gets too wildly subjective. A little over half way through and this mock has him in the first 3 rounds to Seattle. Who says you can't improve your stock during the season. draftwire.usatoday.com/2016/10/26/2017-nfl-mock-draft-updated-three-round-projections/ Not including under classmen who can declare. Treston's best bet is as UFDA so he can pick the best situation for him. Seattle right now would not be a good deal.
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Post by obf on Oct 26, 2016 9:49:11 GMT -8
Not including under classmen who can declare. Treston's best bet is as UFDA so he can pick the best situation for him. Seattle right now would not be a good deal. If a team spends a third round draft pick on him, he is making the team, making some cash, and getting some experience. UDFAs even if signed usually end up as.... UDFAs again or on a practice squad (just ask Kyle Peko). So, no UDFA would not be the "best bet" for him... This mock draft would be by far.
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Post by ochobeavo on Oct 26, 2016 10:14:10 GMT -8
Not including under classmen who can declare. Treston's best bet is as UFDA so he can pick the best situation for him. Seattle right now would not be a good deal. If a team spends a third round draft pick on him, he is making the team, making some cash, and getting some experience. UDFAs even if signed usually end up as.... UDFAs again or on a practice squad (just ask Kyle Peko). So, no UDFA would not be the "best bet" for him... This mock draft would be by far. agreed. A lot of times you hear that UDFAs get to pick and choose the best situation, but the fact is - very few actually come in and lock up a roster spot. Nothing wrong with being a 2nd/3rd day guy and nothing wrong with Seattle (at least per that mock) IMO. Sherman is 28, Shead is 28, Lane is more of a nickel/slot coverage type. Their 4th corner is Neiko Thorpe who was waived from Oakland (that's saying something given Oakland's defensive woes). Just a mock, but it's certainly plausible that they'd draft a guy to groom to eventually take over at CB. The successful organizations plan a few steps ahead of the other guys. Either way, what an awesome discussion given that the kid left on a stretcher last year right in front of me.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 26, 2016 10:42:11 GMT -8
Guaranteed $ for 3rd rd is about $690k... I believe I read almost 400 players that were undrafted are on rosters.
That's a 5th of a roster. And plenty of draftees get released. Treston is still 4th rd to not mentioned on many draft boards. We'll see, but rather he be playing Saturday thsn worry about silly draft prospects.
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