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Post by brewster on Jun 13, 2024 5:21:10 GMT -8
Learned a lot from this clip. Barnes explained a lot.
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Post by gnawitall on Jun 13, 2024 6:39:53 GMT -8
Learned a lot from this clip. Barnes explained a lot. Very cool. Thanks for posting. Great takes on the current transfer climate and was fascinating to hear they measure strength in limbs and other physical metrics.
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Post by grayman on Jun 13, 2024 10:02:27 GMT -8
I mean, yeah, this is the reality facing all programs. I still maintain that the move to the WCC was the main catalyst for the departures, but it certainly didn't help that some of the players could go right to power conference programs with big NIL deals at the ready. I just doubt that all the departing players got big deals. And, as I've brought up before, did they even give Oregon State related NIL groups a chance to counter? Doesn't seem so. Seems like they wanted out and that was that.
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Post by brewster on Jun 13, 2024 13:58:46 GMT -8
Wonder if the Elites 8 players who left scratched their ticket, won many K's? Now on to a bigger prize which is not the final four more $ than any WNBA team can pay them. Lots to think and rethink.
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Post by fridaynightlights on Jun 13, 2024 19:33:14 GMT -8
Interesting that she said recruiting is now less about building personal relationships and is now more transactional, with money and the right situation/playing time being the most important factors for many. Sounds like pro sports.
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Post by gnawitall on Jun 14, 2024 4:18:17 GMT -8
Interesting that she said recruiting is now less about building personal relationships and is now more transactional, with money and the right situation/playing time being the most important factors for many. Sounds like pro sports. Human history shows such swings in practices. And boy has the pendy swung to the player. Hopefully it will balance out; to some degree anyway 🤞
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Post by rgeorge on Jun 14, 2024 10:59:06 GMT -8
Interesting that she said recruiting is now less about building personal relationships and is now more transactional, with money and the right situation/playing time being the most important factors for many. Sounds like pro sports. It is FAR worse than pro sports IMHO. Most pro contracts allow teams control over their players for a length of time and some control in them leaving and in many cases compensation if they sign or get traded. A pro coach may have a front office making decisions, some they do not agree with, but there are rules governing contracts and trades etc. College athletics now basically has no rules, and would actually be better off if NIL contracts were indeed binding... until a degree is earned or some other benchmark. And, that 3rd parties were NOT allowed to be involved. Might as well make them university run and each school deciding how and how much to invest. If they do not want to "compete" with the top 40-60 "big boys" so be it, but at least then it would be a university policy and the pretense of trying to keep up the Jones' would be over. In college none of that exists. NIL deals are exaggerated to the public, yet in many cases not completely fulfilled, or "enough" to keep players longer than one season. A coach has zero control over most NIL collectives and their ultimate direction and control. One of the scariest aspects to me is not just the collectives in general, but the hypocrisy that they are run by outside "volunteers" that basically can control a program/coach by the decisions they make.... the "who" and "how much" is basically no different than the old time boosters funneling money to players. And, the same with player defections while receiving no guaranteed compensation. Schools, programs, coaches have zero control on who leaves. And while they do have the opportunity in the portal there is no way to assure "equal" or even partial compensation. In fact schools with higher admission standards for incoming transfers are at another disadvantage.
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Post by algernon14 on Jun 15, 2024 13:52:03 GMT -8
"It's all transactional....money is very important...alot of the money these portal players are getting would take 10 years to get in the WNBA...for players in the portal, the first conversation 95% of the time is how much money are you giving me.." - Adia Barnes
It was always about the MONEY. This is about the 10th example of coaches and players parents confirming this. It was never about winning, the WCC, Rueck, a Final Four, Nat Championship or anything else, it was about the mighty dollar. If UCLA had offered Timea $500k and Gonzaga offered her $1 mil do you honestly think she would care about playing in the WCC?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 15, 2024 14:25:55 GMT -8
NIL will soon be controlled by the institutions. Amazing that programs losing $2 million a year and up will be able to offer anything, much less the 6-figure sums that are bandied around. LSU's WBB program lost $8 million last season.
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Post by 411500 on Jun 15, 2024 14:55:50 GMT -8
"It's all transactional....money is very important...a lot of the money these portal players are getting would take 10 years to get in the WNBA...for players in the portal, the first conversation 95% of the time is how much money are you giving me.." - Adia Barnes ---------------- Barnes knows more about this than we do. For sure. But her saying it doesn't make it so.
What puzzles me is if players are not bound to NDA, and parents are not bound to NDA - how come we (the sports-following public) don't know how much particular players are getting to play ball at UCLA, USC, or whatever?
"95% of the time is how much money...." That sure doesn't seem to hold true for the Beavs. Does anyone really think that Blacklock, Pouruva (sp) Hansford got big chunks (or any chunks) of money to transfer out from OSU? If they do think so, where is the evidence?
For those of you who follow this closely: how come so little is known about how much players receive in NIL money? Have any players, or their parents gone on record about the money received? Why not?
The sporting world is full of tell-everything players and tell-everything parents. The women pro leagues are loaded with players who received NIL money when they were in college. Are they all bound to some code of secrecy?
Can't believe there isn't more specific information out there. GO BEAVS!!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Jun 15, 2024 16:56:59 GMT -8
"It's all transactional....money is very important...a lot of the money these portal players are getting would take 10 years to get in the WNBA...for players in the portal, the first conversation 95% of the time is how much money are you giving me.." - Adia Barnes---------------- Barnes knows more about this than we do. For sure. But her saying it doesn't make it so. What puzzles me is if players are not bound to NDA, and parents are not bound to NDA - how come we (the sports-following public) don't know how much particular players are getting to play ball at UCLA, USC, or whatever? "95% of the time is how much money...." That sure doesn't seem to hold true for the Beavs. Does anyone really think that Blacklock, Pouruva (sp) Hansford got big chunks (or any chunks) of money to transfer out from OSU? If they do think so, where is the evidence? For those of you who follow this closely: how come so little is known about how much players receive in NIL money? Have any players, or their parents gone on record about the money received? Why not? The sporting world is full of tell-everything players and tell-everything parents. The women pro leagues are loaded with players who received NIL money when they were in college. Are they all bound to some code of secrecy? Can't believe there isn't more specific information out there. GO BEAVS!! Given the chance to keep their salary (NIL) numbers private (pro athletes don't have that option), I suspect most people figure it's none of your business and have no desire at all to publicly share how much money they are making.
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