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Post by rgeorge on Sept 30, 2024 9:25:21 GMT -8
"Enjoy team of the season" encapsulates the near future of college athletics and fans' response. Excellent phrase. Summarizes college sports' evisceration.
The easiest/unlikely solution: limit transfers to once.
Already been litigated and overturned... "... limits a student athlete's NIL abilities..." As long as the NIL has no set policies and enforcement transfer limits will never happen. A good start is to immediately shut down all these Ex Post Facto lawsuits seeking NIL damages for ex-players long before NIL was allowed. Once that nonsense is under control, legislation from the top will be the only way to change this in our lifetime. I'm not for government intrusions into sport, but this is now "business" and the court system will never solve any of this. The other "solution" is to simply form two separate NCAA (or ??) entities, one allowing NIL, the other cost of attendance stipends (more than now allowed under the autonomous policies). Simply separate by choice the "haves" from the "have nots". |
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Post by grayman on Sept 30, 2024 9:54:09 GMT -8
To be clear, five of them ended up making more money than at OSU, but they didn't leave based on that. And only two went where they went partly based on money. Two people talked to me because they felt Rueck was being unfairly blamed. But then they both decided they said too much and asked me to not say any more specifics. Also, I think that last couple did think about being stuck in the WCC without their teammates and left with the flood. So the team played so well together that it made the Elite Eight and then it shatters due to something that seems to be about personality conflicts? No way. It's obvious that it was the WCC move. I'm not saying that NIL offers didn't happen but OSU offered nothing? I don't buy that either. In fact, my guess is they all were gone without even talking money with OSU-supporting NIL groups, because there was no draw to stay and play in the WCC. |
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Post by damnstraight on Sept 30, 2024 10:51:51 GMT -8
No, it's not obvious it was the move to the WCC. I'm telling you, from the mouth of a long time personal family friend of our Barlow player...it was Money...as the single most deciding factor. I'm not saying the move to WCC was not a factor, but my source said money seemed to be the single biggest factor that shaped decisions.
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Post by grayman on Sept 30, 2024 13:01:56 GMT -8
No, it's not obvious it was the move to the WCC. I'm telling you, from the mouth of a long time personal family friend of our Barlow player...it was Money...as the single most deciding factor. I'm not saying the move to WCC was not a factor, but my source said money seemed to be the single biggest factor that shaped decisions. To me it's obvious the move to the WCC was the catalyst for pretty much every key player on an Elite Eight team to leave. Again, if there was any question in the minds of the players, why did they all bolt instead of looking into what OSU backing NILs might be able to do for them? We've had the NIL for over 3 years now. It's nothing new at this point. If the Pac-12 had not lost 10 teams would all those players have left? IMO, TVO yes and probably Gardiner. I say Beers stays along with Paurova, Hunter and Hansford. Maybe not Adlee and Martha because of lack of playing time. |
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Post by beaveragain on Sept 30, 2024 15:08:11 GMT -8
To be clear, five of them ended up making more money than at OSU, but they didn't leave based on that. And only two went where they went partly based on money. Two people talked to me because they felt Rueck was being unfairly blamed. But then they both decided they said too much and asked me to not say any more specifics. Also, I think that last couple did think about being stuck in the WCC without their teammates and left with the flood. So the team played so well together that it made the Elite Eight and then it shatters due to something that seems to be about personality conflicts? No way. It's obvious that it was the WCC move. I'm not saying that NIL offers didn't happen but OSU offered nothing? I don't buy that either. In fact, my guess is they all were gone without even talking money with OSU-supporting NIL groups, because there was no draw to stay and play in the WCC. It was not about personality conflicts. Noone was hating on anyone. |
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Post by beaveragain on Sept 30, 2024 15:16:47 GMT -8
No, it's not obvious it was the move to the WCC. I'm telling you, from the mouth of a long time personal family friend of our Barlow player...it was Money...as the single most deciding factor. I'm not saying the move to WCC was not a factor, but my source said money seemed to be the single biggest factor that shaped decisions. To me it's obvious the move to the WCC was the catalyst for pretty much every key player on an Elite Eight team to leave. Again, if there was any question in the minds of the players, why did they all bolt instead of looking into what OSU backing NILs might be able to do for them? We've had the NIL for over 3 years now. It's nothing new at this point. If the Pac-12 had not lost 10 teams would all those players have left? IMO, TVO yes and probably Gardiner. I say Beers stays along with Paurova, Hunter and Hansford. Maybe not Adlee and Martha because of lack of playing time. You have one key thing wrong, and that's why you aren't getting it. And that's the last I'm saying on this. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 30, 2024 15:19:04 GMT -8
So the team played so well together that it made the Elite Eight and then it shatters due to something that seems to be about personality conflicts? No way. It's obvious that it was the WCC move. I'm not saying that NIL offers didn't happen but OSU offered nothing? I don't buy that either. In fact, my guess is they all were gone without even talking money with OSU-supporting NIL groups, because there was no draw to stay and play in the WCC. It was not about personality conflicts. Noone was hating on anyone. Oh, OK...I thought that's what you were getting at. I still say most of the team stays if the Pac-12 had stayed intact. But it didn't and we'll just have to see how the 2024-25 roster comes together and does in the WCC. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 30, 2024 15:29:04 GMT -8
To me it's obvious the move to the WCC was the catalyst for pretty much every key player on an Elite Eight team to leave. Again, if there was any question in the minds of the players, why did they all bolt instead of looking into what OSU backing NILs might be able to do for them? We've had the NIL for over 3 years now. It's nothing new at this point. If the Pac-12 had not lost 10 teams would all those players have left? IMO, TVO yes and probably Gardiner. I say Beers stays along with Paurova, Hunter and Hansford. Maybe not Adlee and Martha because of lack of playing time. You have one key thing wrong, and that's why you aren't getting it. And that's the last I'm saying on this. If the difference in NIL money is so great that OSU is no longer capable of retaining good players then Rueck needs to take a significant pay cut moving forward or move on. No sense in investing real money into a program that is relegated and also a major money pit. |
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Post by TheGlove on Sept 30, 2024 16:26:29 GMT -8
You have one key thing wrong, and that's why you aren't getting it. And that's the last I'm saying on this. If the difference in NIL money is so great that OSU is no longer capable of retaining good players then Rueck needs to take a significant pay cut moving forward or move on. No sense in investing real money into a program that is relegated and also a major money pit. I’m under the impression that a coaches salary and potential NIL money are two separate buckets. |
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Post by grayman on Sept 30, 2024 16:32:31 GMT -8
If the difference in NIL money is so great that OSU is no longer capable of retaining good players then Rueck needs to take a significant pay cut moving forward or move on. No sense in investing real money into a program that is relegated and also a major money pit. I’m under the impression that a coaches salary and potential NIL money are two separate buckets. Yes, they are separate. I'm making a case that losing $4 million a year on women's basketball maybe isn't the best road to stay on for OSU. Rueck makes $1 million a year now. |
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Post by fridaynightlights on Sept 30, 2024 18:00:52 GMT -8
With OSU now in the WCC/MWC for the foreseeable future I think there is a good chance Rurek is gone after this season or the next. When Rurek commented on players transferring he mentioned that he and the players came to OSU to coach and play in the Pac-12 at the highest levels, not a lesser conference. I don't think coaching in the WCC/MWC will keep him at OSU.
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Post by Judge Smails on Sept 30, 2024 18:44:00 GMT -8
With OSU now in the WCC/MWC for the foreseeable future I think there is a good chance Rurek is gone after this season or the next. When Rurek commented on players transferring he mentioned that he and the players came to OSU to coach and play in the Pac-12 at the highest levels, not a lesser conference. I don't think coaching in the WCC/MWC will keep him at OSU. Rurek? lol Highly doubt he leaves at least until his youngest daughter is out of HS. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Sept 30, 2024 19:04:09 GMT -8
You have one key thing wrong, and that's why you aren't getting it. And that's the last I'm saying on this. If the difference in NIL money is so great that OSU is no longer capable of retaining good players then Rueck needs to take a significant pay cut moving forward or move on. No sense in investing real money into a program that is relegated and also a major money pit. What $ number would make you happy? |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Sept 30, 2024 21:19:16 GMT -8
With OSU now in the WCC/MWC for the foreseeable future I think there is a good chance Rurek is gone after this season or the next. When Rurek commented on players transferring he mentioned that he and the players came to OSU to coach and play in the Pac-12 at the highest levels, not a lesser conference. I don't think coaching in the WCC/MWC will keep him at OSU. If he can find a better job for him, go ahead and take it, and I wish him the best. Whether he stays or goes is not going to change our lot in life. Starting in 2026-27, for the foreseeable future we will be in a conference with WSU, five former MWC teams, probably a team or two from the AAC and Gonzaga. If he wants to coach our team in that conference, so be it. If he doesn't want to coach our team in that conference, then so be that too. We'll have no trouble finding someone who does. |
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Post by rgeorge on Sept 30, 2024 21:32:56 GMT -8
With OSU now in the WCC/MWC for the foreseeable future I think there is a good chance Rurek is gone after this season or the next. When Rurek commented on players transferring he mentioned that he and the players came to OSU to coach and play in the Pac-12 at the highest levels, not a lesser conference. I don't think coaching in the WCC/MWC will keep him at OSU. If he can find a better job for him, go ahead and take it, and I wish him the best. Whether he stays or goes is not going to change our lot in life. Starting in 2026-27, for the foreseeable future we will be in a conference with WSU, five former MWC teams, probably a team or two from the AAC and Gonzaga. If he wants to coach our team in that conference, so be it. If he doesn't want to coach our team in that conference, then so be that too. We'll have no trouble finding someone who does. And... a salary more in line with our new conference. OSU truly needs to start minimizing the sports that are in the "red", at least by how much. |
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