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Post by NativeBeav on Aug 24, 2024 8:49:31 GMT -8
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Post by grayman on Aug 24, 2024 9:39:51 GMT -8
I just went through all 30-plus pages of the KSU financial statement and did not find the $102,332,761 revenue for 2022-23. I did see the $83,642,000 budget number of course. Whatever, it's not a real big deal. Kansas State does get way more money through the Big-12/NCAA than OSU does through Pac-12/NCAA so the Beavers are not going to match that. I do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot comment. Yes, but my point is that financial support from fans is so much higher at Kansas State. It is a bigger delta than the Big-12/NCAA number. Granted, that is likely to change moving forward. Still, financial support from fans can cure a lot of other ills, and Oregon State just does not have that. And that is why I think that any comparison between Kansas State's and Oregon State's situations is not apt. The fans care more in Manhattan and show it financially. Oregon State does not have that level of fan support. If the fans support Oregon State, great things can happen. Oregon State could become the next Kansas State. The money was not there a decade ago. It still is not here today. Part of it was the Great Recession. Part of it was how BDC treated the football team. Part of it was GAG. But add it all up, and you get the present situation. I have been saying for at least a decade at this point, though. Unless the money situation is fixed, you cannot expect Kansas State-level results in Corvallis. Kansas State in Corvallis has been and is pie in the sky. Well, I think Erickson, Riley and Smith all had Kansas State-level results here. My overall point is that the two schools are very similar in that they are in small cities somewhat remote from the big market in the area and they are both ag schools. And I doubt that Kansas State fans were pouring money into athletics until Snyder had the program going strong. The KSU donations were just under $11 million more than OSU's in 2023 ($25,520,962 vs. $14,783,394). But OSU has over $7 million coming in lottery funding which KSU does not have. So there are categories that can close the gap to a degree. You can say it's done with smoke and mirrors but that revenue is very real. The biggest gap moving forward is going to be the difference between Pac-12 and Big-12 revenue which probably will be close to $20 million. But all in all, yes, it would be great if OSU got more financial support from fans. |
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Post by grayman on Aug 24, 2024 11:58:22 GMT -8
About 2/3 of the voters think 2 losses or less for the season. I’m a Beaver through and through, but that’s incredibly optimistic thinking. We will have almost an entirely new team that needs to build in-game chemistry, we have limited qb play, and have suffered three long term injuries to our D Line (Hinkle, Norris, and Howard). Yes, our schedule is considered weak by many in the national media. But if people think we are going to roll teams like San Diego State, Air Force, UNLV, Purdue, Colorado State, Boise State, and WSU, I think they will be in for a rude awake awakening. I do have a ton of faith in this coaching staff, but there is a ceiling with the talent level on this squad. I would be stunned if this team finished with 2 or less losses. Hopefully I’m wrong. With all that said, our goal is to stay relevant on the national stage. I believe if we hit 7 or more wins, we do that. I think 7 wins is certainly attainable for this squad. 9+ wins is unlikely, less than 6 wins is unlikely. If we fall at 7/8 wins, I consider this season a huge success considering the horrible hand we were dealt when smith left and the exodus occurred. If we hit 7+ wins, give a ton of credit to Bray for saving our program. I don't think most OSU fans think the Beavers are going to roll most of the teams you listed but San Diego State, Purdue and Colorado State probably won't be all that great and two of those games are in Corvallis. WSU will be tough but it is at OSU. I actually do not believe this is going to be a particularly strong year for the MWC because I don't think UNLV will be nearly as good without their star QB and Air Force could be a lot closer to mediocre than it has been in the past due to attrition and changes to blocking rules. I don't see San Jose State making much noise this season either. My guess is Boise State and Fresno State will be the two top programs and there will be a lot of mediocrity or worse after that. A couple of programs might surprise but I think for the most part the up and coming ones won't become real threats for another year or so. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Aug 24, 2024 12:01:35 GMT -8
Here is the final FY2023 (2022-2023) numbers.I do not know what you are looking at, so I cannot comment. Yes, but my point is that financial support from fans is so much higher at Kansas State. It is a bigger delta than the Big-12/NCAA number. Granted, that is likely to change moving forward. Still, financial support from fans can cure a lot of other ills, and Oregon State just does not have that. And that is why I think that any comparison between Kansas State's and Oregon State's situations is not apt. The fans care more in Manhattan and show it financially. Oregon State does not have that level of fan support. If the fans support Oregon State, great things can happen. Oregon State could become the next Kansas State. The money was not there a decade ago. It still is not here today. Part of it was the Great Recession. Part of it was how BDC treated the football team. Part of it was GAG. But add it all up, and you get the present situation. I have been saying for at least a decade at this point, though. Unless the money situation is fixed, you cannot expect Kansas State-level results in Corvallis. Kansas State in Corvallis has been and is pie in the sky. Well, I think Erickson, Riley and Smith all had Kansas State-level results here. My overall point is that the two schools are very similar in that they are in small cities somewhat remote from the big market in the area and they are both ag schools. And I doubt that Kansas State fans were pouring money into athletics until Snyder had the program going strong. The KSU donations were just under $11 million more than OSU's in 2023 ($25,520,962 vs. $14,783,394). But OSU has over $7 million coming in lottery funding which KSU does not have. So there are categories that can close the gap to a degree. You can say it's done with smoke and mirrors but that revenue is very real. The biggest gap moving forward is going to be the difference between Pac-12 and Big-12 revenue which probably will be close to $20 million. But all in all, yes, it would be great if OSU got more financial support from fans. The issue with lottery money is that it is not constant, and you cannot count on it for things like stadium expansions and facilities upgrades. Once upon a time, I was comparing the funding structure for a Reser or facility upgrade with a comparable one that Kansas State did, and it was shocking to see how much debt Oregon State had to utilize to get theirs done compared to Kansas State, who did whatever they did debt-free. I believe at the time that expecting Kansas State-level of results was unreasonable, considering fan support. Lottery money is a great point, though, and is real money, unlike some of other things that I was trying to filter out. But imagine, if we had Kansas State-levels of fan support and the lottery money on top! |
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Post by grayman on Aug 24, 2024 12:41:30 GMT -8
Well, I think Erickson, Riley and Smith all had Kansas State-level results here. My overall point is that the two schools are very similar in that they are in small cities somewhat remote from the big market in the area and they are both ag schools. And I doubt that Kansas State fans were pouring money into athletics until Snyder had the program going strong. The KSU donations were just under $11 million more than OSU's in 2023 ($25,520,962 vs. $14,783,394). But OSU has over $7 million coming in lottery funding which KSU does not have. So there are categories that can close the gap to a degree. You can say it's done with smoke and mirrors but that revenue is very real. The biggest gap moving forward is going to be the difference between Pac-12 and Big-12 revenue which probably will be close to $20 million. But all in all, yes, it would be great if OSU got more financial support from fans. The issue with lottery money is that it is not constant, and you cannot count on it for things like stadium expansions and facilities upgrades. Once upon a time, I was comparing the funding structure for a Reser or facility upgrade with a comparable one that Kansas State did, and it was shocking to see how much debt Oregon State had to utilize to get theirs done compared to Kansas State, who did whatever they did debt-free. I believe at the time that expecting Kansas State-level of results was unreasonable, considering fan support. Lottery money is a great point, though, and is real money, unlike some of other things that I was trying to filter out. But imagine, if we had Kansas State-levels of fan support and the lottery money on top! FWIW, I did finally find the $102 million number you were talking about. I was looking at the KSU athletics financial audit information. I wonder how much difference OSU men's basketball has made in comparison to schools like KSU. There's definitely a difference in revenue. KSU's is $15,206,519 and OSU's is $7,838,931. But I wonder how much impact men's hoops has on fan donations because I would think OSU fans aren't giving a lot based on men's basketball. My guess is not having a consistently competitive men's bb program actually has a very real negative financial impact. |
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