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Post by beavadelic on Oct 30, 2016 0:05:25 GMT -8
This was a tough one to swallow tonight. It was hard to see these guys play their guts out and turn in the best half of football of the season in the first half, then play one of their worst in the second and lose that big lead.
There are a lot of good signs that we're improving. Despite one of the most frustrating fails I've seen in a while on that easy pick turned Cougar TD, and some of the worst officiating that I've seen (and it started on the opening kickoff when they announced two holding penalties against the kicking team), there were some great moments.
Once again, Nall was ridiculous. I have yet to see any DB catch him from behind when he gets into the open. Just a beast! Marcus was sharp and confident in the first half, though not the same guy after halftime.
What is hard is to see how we lack resilience when facing adversity on defense in particular. In the first half, every review went our way, things were clicking, and we played so well. In the second half, when we couldn't get a call and got hosed on some interpretations and spotting of the ball, we just seemed to hang our heads and give ground too easily.
I feel like we need to learn how to win. We are playing most teams much tougher than the experts expect us to, but outside of the Cal game. We just are struggling to finish. Give credit to the other teams for their part in making this happen, but for all the talk about us needing to continue to get physically stronger, I feel it imperative that we get mentally stronger. My hope is that this will come soon. When it does, we'lol start closing people out and really turn the corner.
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Post by Angus on Oct 30, 2016 4:04:58 GMT -8
This was a tough one to swallow tonight. It was hard to see these guys play their guts out and turn in the best half of football of the season in the first half, then play one of their worst in the second and lose that big lead. There are a lot of good signs that we're improving. Despite one of the most frustrating fails I've seen in a while on that easy pick turned Cougar TD, and some of the worst officiating that I've seen (and it started on the opening kickoff when they announced two holding penalties against the kicking team), there were some great moments. Once again, Nall was ridiculous. I have yet to see any DB catch him from behind when he gets into the open. Just a beast! Marcus was sharp and confident in the first half, though not the same guy after halftime. What is hard is to see how we lack resilience when facing adversity on defense in particular. In the first half, every review went our way, things were clicking, and we played so well. In the second half, when we couldn't get a call and got hosed on some interpretations and spotting of the ball, we just seemed to hang our heads and give ground too easily. I feel like we need to learn how to win. We are playing most teams much tougher than the experts expect us to, but outside of the Cal game. We just are struggling to finish. Give credit to the other teams for their part in making this happen, but for all the talk about us needing to continue to get physically stronger, I feel it imperative that we get mentally stronger. My hope is that this will come soon. When it does, we'lol start closing people out and really turn the corner. I thought our guys played a whale of a game tonight. We wore down in the 4th and the depleted Oline just didn't have the juice to convert that last series, and the LBs and DBs were getting juked out of their shoes the last WSU TD drive. A sign of being worn down. Totally with you on our need to get both physically and mentally stronger. But I'm afraid both those things come very gradually to teams like ours. We should be ecstatic how far we have come. I can see the little things that each one of our players are doing to make them better. Every game we've done better and better things. But we are still WAY off from where we need to be to win games in this league. When teams take us dead serious from start to finish. But all in all, I thought that our coaches did a great job getting a sound gameplan in there. Just didn't have the horses at the end to win the race. |
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Post by blackdagger on Oct 30, 2016 7:09:42 GMT -8
This was a tough one to swallow tonight. It was hard to see these guys play their guts out and turn in the best half of football of the season in the first half, then play one of their worst in the second and lose that big lead. There are a lot of good signs that we're improving. Despite one of the most frustrating fails I've seen in a while on that easy pick turned Cougar TD, and some of the worst officiating that I've seen (and it started on the opening kickoff when they announced two holding penalties against the kicking team), there were some great moments. Once again, Nall was ridiculous. I have yet to see any DB catch him from behind when he gets into the open. Just a beast! Marcus was sharp and confident in the first half, though not the same guy after halftime. What is hard is to see how we lack resilience when facing adversity on defense in particular. In the first half, every review went our way, things were clicking, and we played so well. In the second half, when we couldn't get a call and got hosed on some interpretations and spotting of the ball, we just seemed to hang our heads and give ground too easily. I feel like we need to learn how to win. We are playing most teams much tougher than the experts expect us to, but outside of the Cal game. We just are struggling to finish. Give credit to the other teams for their part in making this happen, but for all the talk about us needing to continue to get physically stronger, I feel it imperative that we get mentally stronger. My hope is that this will come soon. When it does, we'lol start closing people out and really turn the corner. I thought our guys played a whale of a game tonight. We wore down in the 4th and the depleted Oline just didn't have the juice to convert that last series, and the LBs and DBs were getting juked out of their shoes the last WSU TD drive. A sign of being worn down. Totally with you on our need to get both physically and mentally stronger. But I'm afraid both those things come very gradually to teams like ours. We should be ecstatic how far we have come. I can see the little things that each one of our players are doing to make them better. Every game we've done better and better things. But we are still WAY off from where we need to be to win games in this league. When teams take us dead serious from start to finish. But all in all, I thought that our coaches did a great job getting a sound gameplan in there. Just didn't have the horses at the end to win the race.Exactly right. That second half, there were a lot of things that contributed to the WSU comeback. I'd love to grouse about officiating, severe astigmatism in the line judge in spotting the ball, but honestly what stood out to me was that WSU is stronger and faster - and that is about the most talented group of receivers I have ever seen. As hard as I root for the Beavs, if you're a football fan, you have to appreciate Cougar receivers that catch the ball falling 3/4 the way out of bounds, dragging their trailing small toe to keep the catch in bounds. And then there were at least six catches in which our DB is in position, hand in the face, and WSU comes down with the jump ball. That TD to Marks where he was TRIPLE COVERED?? Sheesh. WSU has more ponies. Like Angus, I have no complaint about the effort by the Beavers, and while there are always mistakes to clean up, they gave me something to cheer about and were very competitive with what may be the second or third best team in the league right now. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2016 8:21:49 GMT -8
I am tempering my horrific disappointment in that collapse i witnessed by reminding myself that the players on the field last night were a lot of 3rd stringers, freshman or afterthoughts. I don't know what excuse i am using for the coaches not making adjustments in the second half but in all honestly they probably did not have a plan for salting away a lead. I give them credit for excellent play calling and preparation in the first half.
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Post by nabeav on Oct 30, 2016 8:41:27 GMT -8
Here's the thing with half-time adjustments - only one team typically needs to make them in a game that's 24-6. What exactly do you think Andersen should've told the team at halftime to do differently? "Look guys, we're really cutting them up through the air and using some effective runs up the middle against their rush...let's not do any of that in the second half, ok?"
It's a lot easier to adjust at halftime when you're getting beat. Look at all the second halves we've had when trailing at the half. Boise, Utah, Washington....even Colorado. Some of that was teams easing off the throttle against us, but I'd say a majority of it was us doing things a little differently. We had 398 yards at halftime!
Going into this game, I thought our D (particularly our pass D) was a bit overrated based on the results from the Cal and Utah game. However, I've got nothing bad to say about the pass D despite giving up 5 TDs and 400+ yards. How many of those yards were the result of incredible catches by Marks or Craycraft that extended drives? The screen pass for a TD they had was one of the best blocked plays I've ever seen. The jump ball TD to Marks was well defended, just a better play by Marks. There were a few wide open receivers, and definitely at the end of the game we were helpless to stop them from running the ball...but I would say that our D is definitely improving.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 30, 2016 9:01:20 GMT -8
Here's the thing with half-time adjustments - only one team typically needs to make them in a game that's 24-6. What exactly do you think Andersen should've told the team at halftime to do differently? "Look guys, we're really cutting them up through the air and using some effective runs up the middle against their rush...let's not do any of that in the second half, ok?" It's a lot easier to adjust at halftime when you're getting beat. Look at all the second halves we've had when trailing at the half. Boise, Utah, Washington....even Colorado. Some of that was teams easing off the throttle against us, but I'd say a majority of it was us doing things a little differently. We had 398 yards at halftime! Going into this game, I thought our D (particularly our pass D) was a bit overrated based on the results from the Cal and Utah game. However, I've got nothing bad to say about the pass D despite giving up 5 TDs and 400+ yards. How many of those yards were the result of incredible catches by Marks or Craycraft that extended drives? The screen pass for a TD they had was one of the best blocked plays I've ever seen. The jump ball TD to Marks was well defended, just a better play by Marks. There were a few wide open receivers, and definitely at the end of the game we were helpless to stop them from running the ball...but I would say that our D is definitely improving. Actually the entire 1st qtr set the stage for the game. If you look the demise began in the 2nd qtr and got worse. The half ended with us squandering a great opportunity for more pts... 27-6 at least. WSU adjusted their DL at the qtr break with stems and slants away... they refined it at half with down and distance calls. The 2nd half they basically looked as if they not only knew our run vs pass tendencies @100% by down/formation, but on several key short yardage knew where, as the did not stem and stayed strong to our weak side and simply slanted rt across the face of our OL to blow up most of the 3rd/4th and shorts. WSU had the circle route smelled out and their were actually a few really smart throw aways by McM. We had like 80 2nd half yds (?) 41 on the one pass to Nall. I would guess the multiple false starts on several 3rd and short were also partly due to the steming and it looked like WSU was also barking out "defensive" counts during movement that was mimicing out cadence... among the many atrocious calls and none calls (the only holding call I believe was on a RB! Must have best DL in the history of college football to throw that many times and no OL calls). Long story short... there are always adjustments and tweaks even in anticipation of what the D might do. But, 394 1st yards, success was never had on the ground. Nall was like 19/131 overall(?)... meaning 18/42 take away one big play. The writing was on the wall and our staff failed/got severally out coached midway 2nd qtr on. |
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Post by beavadelic on Oct 30, 2016 9:05:44 GMT -8
I thought our guys played a whale of a game tonight. We wore down in the 4th and the depleted Oline just didn't have the juice to convert that last series, and the LBs and DBs were getting juked out of their shoes the last WSU TD drive. A sign of being worn down. Totally with you on our need to get both physically and mentally stronger. But I'm afraid both those things come very gradually to teams like ours. We should be ecstatic how far we have come. I can see the little things that each one of our players are doing to make them better. Every game we've done better and better things. But we are still WAY off from where we need to be to win games in this league. When teams take us dead serious from start to finish. But all in all, I thought that our coaches did a great job getting a sound gameplan in there. Just didn't have the horses at the end to win the race.Exactly right. That second half, there were a lot of things that contributed to the WSU comeback. I'd love to grouse about officiating, severe astigmatism in the line judge in spotting the ball, but honestly what stood out to me was that WSU is stronger and faster - and that is about the most talented group of receivers I have ever seen. As hard as I root for the Beavs, if you're a football fan, you have to appreciate Cougar receivers that catch the ball falling 3/4 the way out of bounds, dragging their trailing small toe to keep the catch in bounds. And then there were at least six catches in which our DB is in position, hand in the face, and WSU comes down with the jump ball. That TD to Marks where he was TRIPLE COVERED?? Sheesh. WSU has more ponies. Like Angus, I have no complaint about the effort by the Beavers, and while there are always mistakes to clean up, they gave me something to cheer about and were very competitive with what may be the second or third best team in the league right now. Falk also threw some incredible balls. That TD by Marks was a poor throw that should have easily been picked, but his quick decisions and accuracy, combined with really smart and steady receivers were too much. That long out when the receiver did that great job of dragging his toes was an incredible throw - especially under pressure. About a 40 yard throw from the left hash arm that was basically perfect! |
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Post by beavadelic on Oct 30, 2016 9:30:24 GMT -8
Here's the thing with half-time adjustments - only one team typically needs to make them in a game that's 24-6. What exactly do you think Andersen should've told the team at halftime to do differently? "Look guys, we're really cutting them up through the air and using some effective runs up the middle against their rush...let's not do any of that in the second half, ok?" It's a lot easier to adjust at halftime when you're getting beat. Look at all the second halves we've had when trailing at the half. Boise, Utah, Washington....even Colorado. Some of that was teams easing off the throttle against us, but I'd say a majority of it was us doing things a little differently. We had 398 yards at halftime! Going into this game, I thought our D (particularly our pass D) was a bit overrated based on the results from the Cal and Utah game. However, I've got nothing bad to say about the pass D despite giving up 5 TDs and 400+ yards. How many of those yards were the result of incredible catches by Marks or Craycraft that extended drives? The screen pass for a TD they had was one of the best blocked plays I've ever seen. The jump ball TD to Marks was well defended, just a better play by Marks. There were a few wide open receivers, and definitely at the end of the game we were helpless to stop them from running the ball...but I would say that our D is definitely improving. . You made a lot of good points, but the one that I don't agree with was that the jump ball was well-defended. Whoever was underneath on that play looked pretty silly - could have fair caught the ball with any decent fundamentals. Then he mis-timed his jump (if there is such thing as a negative vertical jump, he had one there). The only way Marks comes close to the ball had it been played properly would be with a blatant offensive PI (of course, those officials probably wouldn't have called it anyway). No denying the improvement and effort, and for a half our D looked good - fatigue probably figured in too! |
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Post by beavs6 on Oct 30, 2016 12:39:48 GMT -8
We will learn to win. There are marked improvements from the players...and coaching staff. I feel better about getting boat raced in the 2nd half vs the 1st half. So many people have been all over the team, and particularly the staff. Saying what a dumpster fire we are and needing to see progress. I see a lot of positive progress. Are we at the top of our mountain peak...nope. The team and staff are showing undeniable positive growth. There are a LOT of under classmen getting valuable experience. Learning how to win is something that I hope comes with time.
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Post by gobeavs92 on Oct 30, 2016 13:05:58 GMT -8
We will learn to win. There are marked improvements from the players...and coaching staff. I feel better about getting boat raced in the 2nd half vs the 1st half. So many people have been all over the team, and particularly the staff. Saying what a dumpster fire we are and needing to see progress. I see a lot of osative progress. Are we at the top of our mountain peak...nope. The team and staff are showing undeniable posative growth. There are a LOT of under classmen getting valuable experience. Learning how to win is something that I hope comes with time. There are some very valuable reps being taken by some young guys and that's awesome! Winning is a mindset and an attitude. The team will get there. Falk and his offense don't stay shut down the whole game (as we saw) and it's made to be a quick strike offense. Adjustments were made and their players made plays, plain and simple. This team is on the cusp of pulling out some of these close games as victories. The next 4 games will be interesting because the not only do the Beavs matchup well with them but many of those teams have similar injury issues as well as similar talent in certain areas. The opportunities will be there to win each of those games! Go Beavs! |
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