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Post by nabeav on Nov 15, 2015 7:36:27 GMT -8
Dude has five carries this season. He's averaging 13 ypc. What's the issue here? I don't care if he's not a "tough guy" or one of Riley's recruits or anything else. He's an honest to God running back, who seems to run pretty well when we actually put the ball in his hands. I'm going to be shocked if he's back next year. I also feel bad for Storm Barrs-Woods, who is averaging over 5 ypc. as well. He's out there blocking his ass off on the edge to get Nick Mitchell a rushing TD, is a legitimate pass catching threat out of the backfield, and he can't get more than six carries? This is a guy that's what, fourth or fifth all time in rushing yards at OSU?
This post is turning into more than just about Damien Haskins, but it seems to me that the offensive line has been pretty damn good all year. They don't give up many sacks, giving the QBs at least a chance to make throws. They've allowed OSU to average 4.6 ypc. as a team, which is the first time that's happened since 2009 (have to take into account the fewer sacks that come from throwing the ball 10-15 fewer times per game and the more mobile quarterbacks, but still.)
Guys I expect to be gone next year: Haskins, Chris Brown, Hunter Jarmon, Caleb Smith, McMaryion, Collins (unless he decides he wants to be a WR), maybe Victor Bolden? As "bare" as the cupboard evidently was on offense, get ready, because I think it'll be even worse next year. I get that Andersen wants to put his stamp on the program and do things his way, but this is the result of not being willing to compromise. He's going to have better seasons to be sure, but I'm having a hard time stomaching the reluctance to play to the few strengths this team had on offense.
Defensively? I have no idea what's going on. I have zero faith that any player on this team is going to make a tackle in a one on one situation. I don't know if that's a lack of talent, a lack of teaching, or a lack of effort, or a lack of any of them, but it's terrible. For years, people bashed Riley's defensive backs for not looking back for the ball. Twice last night I saw guys looking back over their shoulder for the ball as the receiver got more and more separation from them. One time it was caught, the other time we were flagged for pass interference. I also saw our defensive backs getting carried for 5-10 yards by ball carriers. It looked like kids hanging on to dad's legs as he leaves for a business trip, trying in vain to keep him from getting in the cab. That part is a talent issue. If that's always been the case here, well then I guess I have to give Banker credit for masking that deficiency, because I never saw that in previous years.
Last thing - the season/game ending injuries. How in the world have we had so many? Is it bad luck, the increased intensity of practices, the talent issue, or are guys just not willing to play and refusing to go in? Grimble apparently can't play more than one week in a row, no matter how healthy he looks when he's out there. Storm Barrs-Woods seemingly had his knee just flare up and knock him out of the game on a weekly basis earlier in the year. I don't really think it's a talent issue, because the injuries seem to be happening to guys everyone would agree (Nall, Collins, Grimble, Woods) that are the most talented guys.
OK, one more last thing: what happened to Mageo? That guy was averaging some ungodly number of tackles earlier in the season, picking off passes, forcing fumbles, pressuring the QB, and now he's not even starting? I had to look at the stats to be sure he even played last night, because I didn't even see him out there. This is another reason I don't buy the "cupboard is bare" line. If you don't want to play guys because they're not adhering to your rules or aren't doing the stuff necessary to play on Saturdays, so be it. But say that. Don't hide behind the "we don't have any talent to put out there" stuff. This staff made the decision not to play certain guys, and that's fine....but don't put that on the previous staff.
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Post by devildog on Nov 15, 2015 8:12:43 GMT -8
Yea, we were so much better off with MR. God I miss him and his great teams.
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Post by rafer on Nov 15, 2015 8:24:23 GMT -8
Yea, we were so much better off with MR. God I miss him and his great teams. Well ok, point taken, however, we sure a hell weren't this bad!! This continuing spiral is on the coaches, period, I don't know why they are failing, but they obviously are failing the team and the school. The talent level isn't great but you can't tell me that virtually ANY other coach would be getting as much and likely more out of this team than what is going on now. What is the problem? Have no clue, but as sure as the sun comes up Houston, we have a BIG problem in Corvallis! It will likely get bigger when some of the recruits bail, which is almost a sure thing, not all, but we will lose some of those to other schools who will have no problem showing them why they would be crazy to get on the sinking ship. Only time will tell, but it's going to be pretty ugly again next year, and then who knows? |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 15, 2015 8:28:47 GMT -8
lol, Nebraska wants you as a fan.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 9:18:39 GMT -8
Dude has five carries this season. He's averaging 13 ypc. What's the issue here? I don't care if he's not a "tough guy" or one of Riley's recruits or anything else. He's an honest to God running back, who seems to run pretty well when we actually put the ball in his hands. I'm going to be shocked if he's back next year. I also feel bad for Storm Barrs-Woods, who is averaging over 5 ypc. as well. He's out there blocking his ass off on the edge to get Nick Mitchell a rushing TD, is a legitimate pass catching threat out of the backfield, and he can't get more than six carries? This is a guy that's what, fourth or fifth all time in rushing yards at OSU? This post is turning into more than just about Damien Haskins, but it seems to me that the offensive line has been pretty damn good all year. They don't give up many sacks, giving the QBs at least a chance to make throws. They've allowed OSU to average 4.6 ypc. as a team, which is the first time that's happened since 2009 (have to take into account the fewer sacks that come from throwing the ball 10-15 fewer times per game and the more mobile quarterbacks, but still.) Guys I expect to be gone next year: Haskins, Chris Brown, Hunter Jarmon, Caleb Smith, McMaryion, Collins (unless he decides he wants to be a WR), maybe Victor Bolden? As "bare" as the cupboard evidently was on offense, get ready, because I think it'll be even worse next year. I get that Andersen wants to put his stamp on the program and do things his way, but this is the result of not being willing to compromise. He's going to have better seasons to be sure, but I'm having a hard time stomaching the reluctance to play to the few strengths this team had on offense. Defensively? I have no idea what's going on. I have zero faith that any player on this team is going to make a tackle in a one on one situation. I don't know if that's a lack of talent, a lack of teaching, or a lack of effort, or a lack of any of them, but it's terrible. For years, people bashed Riley's defensive backs for not looking back for the ball. Twice last night I saw guys looking back over their shoulder for the ball as the receiver got more and more separation from them. One time it was caught, the other time we were flagged for pass interference. I also saw our defensive backs getting carried for 5-10 yards by ball carriers. It looked like kids hanging on to dad's legs as he leaves for a business trip, trying in vain to keep him from getting in the cab. That part is a talent issue. If that's always been the case here, well then I guess I have to give Banker credit for masking that deficiency, because I never saw that in previous years. Last thing - the season/game ending injuries. How in the world have we had so many? Is it bad luck, the increased intensity of practices, the talent issue, or are guys just not willing to play and refusing to go in? Grimble apparently can't play more than one week in a row, no matter how healthy he looks when he's out there. Storm Barrs-Woods seemingly had his knee just flare up and knock him out of the game on a weekly basis earlier in the year. I don't really think it's a talent issue, because the injuries seem to be happening to guys everyone would agree (Nall, Collins, Grimble, Woods) that are the most talented guys. OK, one more last thing: what happened to Mageo? That guy was averaging some ungodly number of tackles earlier in the season, picking off passes, forcing fumbles, pressuring the QB, and now he's not even starting? I had to look at the stats to be sure he even played last night, because I didn't even see him out there. This is another reason I don't buy the "cupboard is bare" line. If you don't want to play guys because they're not adhering to your rules or aren't doing the stuff necessary to play on Saturdays, so be it. But say that. Don't hide behind the "we don't have any talent to put out there" stuff. This staff made the decision not to play certain guys, and that's fine....but don't put that on the previous staff. I assume you're predicting these people will transfer out because of lack of playing time. But a lot of those players have been held out for much, if not most of the year, with injuries. A decision was made to redshirt Caleb Smith for injuries early on. Chris Brown? Has been held out for most of the year. Haskins has been out injured quite a bit as well, in fact I thought it was reported as touch-and-go whether he would be able to play last night? Collins? Most recent info is he is not expected to play again this year. So, that makes five games he will have missed. People still believe this is a lie to cover a benching. Fine. Believe what you want. Why would Jarmon leave? He has already redshirted. He would be two to play two if he went anywhere else and would have to sit for the first year unless he went down to FBS. And he is our best receiver IMO. We have not had a scholarship running back w/o injury problems this year. And that includes Nall as a running back even though he was an H-back at the start of the year. We are down to playing wide receivers at running back. Lucas actually played RB in high school, and looks like a game player, but he and Bolden are both too small for regular inside running. Have all these injuries resulted from something the coaches are doing wrong? Interesting question, but fans seem to figure out ways to blame coaches for injuries. They blamed Riley for not having enough contact early on, and now you're blaming Andersen's staff for having it. |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 15, 2015 9:57:17 GMT -8
Not blaming anyone for anything, just raising questions. If it's fair to question Riley's methods, it's fair to question Andersen's. I'm no expert, just giving my opinion. I appreciate your point, because your brought up the injuries, which I didn't really factor in. You're right that some of those guys have been dinged up, and maybe Haskins got dinged up again on his one run last night, but in any event he didn't see the field again after that run to my knowledge. My point with him is that, even when healthy at the beginning of the season, he was behind Woods, Nall, Brown, and apparently Deltron Sands as well. As for Caleb Smith, he was being talked about as an NFL prospect prior to the season, and with the lack of involvement of our tight ends this year, I have to believe that going pro now is probably better for him than another year on a below average team where he gets 1-2 passes thrown his way a game.
Mike Parker made the comment on the radio this week that this is just the second time in his time at Oregon State (1999 to now) that OSU hasn't gone into the last game of the season with at least five wins and a shot at a bowl game. I'm struggling with the frustration that comes with that, and with the feeling for the first time I think since 1996 or 1997 that we have no shot of winning the games on our schedule.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 15, 2015 10:29:41 GMT -8
Simply put... We are a bad team.... and whether some on here want to hear it, that includes this staff.
At this point it is not about Riley, cupboards being bare, what coaches are hiding not hiding.
We are laughably bad thru and thru. We have digressed in every area. And folks, this all falls directly on the guys receiving the big $.
There would be a lot less hand wringing if there were any semblance of a direction and improvement.
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Post by TonySoprano on Nov 15, 2015 11:18:37 GMT -8
I just love these agenda threads. So entertaining.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2015 11:21:13 GMT -8
I had forgotten about Sands at RB. He is another injury redshirt.
My pre season depth chart, released by the AD, shows Woods, Brown, Sands, Haskins in that order. Nall isn't even on it, period. The top three at tight end were Smith, Clute, and Vanderveen in that order.
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Post by devildog on Nov 15, 2015 13:21:02 GMT -8
Not blaming anyone for anything... This continuing spiral is on the coaches, period, I don't know why they are failing, but they obviously are failing the team and the school.
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 15, 2015 18:18:41 GMT -8
Don't forget about Tim Cook (RB) who some predicted would be the best RB in the stable (injured first practice or something??)
Have to agree the running game is frustrating to watch with zero consistency but that goes for the whole offense, overall a big disappointment
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Post by ElBeavoLoco on Nov 16, 2015 2:49:33 GMT -8
This season is a dumpster fire!!
I want Riley back!!
Not!
......but we BETTER see some light next year or my patience will be used up.
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Post by jdogge on Nov 16, 2015 6:42:12 GMT -8
This season is a dumpster fire!! I want Riley back!! Not! ......but we BETTER see some light next year or my patience will be used up. That's pathetic. It took Leach 5 years. You're giving Anderson two? Ridiculous. |
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Post by nabeav on Nov 16, 2015 8:39:31 GMT -8
This season is a dumpster fire!! I want Riley back!! Not! ......but we BETTER see some light next year or my patience will be used up. That's pathetic. It took Leach 5 years. You're giving Anderson two? Ridiculous. 1. This is Leach's 4th year. 2. The four prior seasons to Leach taking over, WSU won a total of 8 games. OSU won 24. They were not starting from the same spot. 3. Nobody's expecting miracles next year. They just want to see improvement. Leach made a bowl game his second year. I'd say that a 6-6 season next year is a decent goal. I won't necessarily even be disappointed if we fall short, but as long as there's progress. |
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Post by beaverstever on Nov 16, 2015 9:30:07 GMT -8
I'm not as cynical as many here. While this team is a complete mess, it looks much more fixable than the issues we saw 20 years ago where every player on the field was overmatched. This team would look at least somewhat competitive with a QB that was reasonably accurate and/or receivers that ran consistent routes. Being unable to sustain drives whatsoever has made our defense look much worse than it is at times. Additionally, the team is clearly going through a lot of moral issues with divisive attitudes, etc, along with a rash of injuries. Still, the lack of ability to execute at a basic level is very concerning, and certainly not what I expected to see either. However, we have seen this before very recently at Cal, WSU, and UW, so it shouldn't be that surprising.
I expect this team to win a couple of conference games next year and be much more competitive, and and a low-tier bowl game in 3 years, 4 at most, and competing for the P-12 N within 5. Fail at that, and Andersen becomes a bad hire in my book at that point.
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