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Post by nabeav on Nov 3, 2016 17:42:28 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that if my family just suffered some sort of heartbreaking loss or defeat, I would expect people to ask me how we are doing. It wasn't out of line at all. It's not like this was someone coming off the street and asking if your marriage is in trouble. It's more like someone saw you and your wife get in a very public, contentious argument and one of your friends asking you if everything is all right. Gary'a response seemed to aggressive for the situation and manner the question was asked.
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Post by Angus on Nov 3, 2016 19:08:17 GMT -8
Did anyone oh, I don't know actually LISTEN to the interview? Listen to the interview, then get back to us on how GA threw his players under the bus...
JC threw up some click bait and you all bit, hard!
If any coach threw his players under the bus it's Leach, who basically says his team isn't talented.
This post is exactly like last week when someone took a radio interview out of context and everyone was thinking we were going Air Raid. SMH... Who knows? Could be Leach. Could be GA. Could be Canzano. Could be people reading things that aren't there. Could be GA haters just capitalizing. Could be just neither here nor there. Whatever it is, it's bordering on comical.
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 3, 2016 20:04:13 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that if my family just suffered some sort of heartbreaking loss or defeat, I would expect people to ask me how we are doing. It wasn't out of line at all. It's not like this was someone coming off the street and asking if your marriage is in trouble. It's more like someone saw you and your wife get in a very public, contentious argument and one of your friends asking you if everything is all right. Gary'a response seemed to aggressive for the situation and manner the question was asked. You do realize you have a negative connotation regarding almost all of your references regarding CGA...right. If my wife...family...children..are having trouble, I don't expect outside people to goad me. Or rub it in. Or sarcastically ask questions. It's not like the interviewer is asking the "hard questions no one else will ask." He is being a major male appendage.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 3, 2016 20:13:32 GMT -8
Yes, "male appendage" is exactly what I think of when I think of Gina Mizell and Mike Parker. Two of the biggest pricks in the business.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 3, 2016 22:16:03 GMT -8
The problem we have is we have a HC and an OC that have a vision that McM doesn't match. It doesn't matter that he is actually the best all around QB we have... he is not a Chuckie Keeton clone. that is the problem. Gary Andersen is questing to find Chuckie Keeton 2.0 with every QB he coaches. He was trying to do that at Wisconsin, by starting a guy that wound up being a WR in the NFL... And he is trying to do it here with Seth Collins, then the Junior Varsity version of Seth Collins in Garretson, then the freshman team version of Collins with Blount... and finally, only in desperation does he turn to our best QB. It is just that he is more of a pocket passer. He doesn't match the vision. In Andersen's offense the QB needs to be a running threat, McMariyon is not a runner and the other defense will key on the RB because they do not fear McMariyon running with the ball. He is the better passer by far, but not a runner. Bah. People said the same thing of chip kelly's offense in the NFL, and the only QB who REALLY ran that offense in the NFL effectively was Nick Foles. When chip had ultimate control of the personnel, he traded for ... Sam Bradford? Andy Dalton ran TCUs spread-option attack, and he's not exactly a gazelle. As someone said in another one of these threads - McMaryion just needs to pull the ball sometimes if the read is there, and it's possible that with no back-up QB last week, they told him not to. We saw Marcus Mariota do that in a couple of his hole games when he was banged up.
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Post by beavs6 on Nov 4, 2016 2:34:50 GMT -8
Yes, "male appendage" is exactly what I think of when I think of Gina Mizell and Mike Parker. Two of the biggest pricks in the business. Please don't twist my words. To be clear, the only media person I'm referencing is JC. As every other poster in this thread. I think you know that, It is pretty clear. Only you brought up Gina and Parker. JC is a well known as an agitator. His idea of the difference between a columnist and reporter. Mo clicks, mo money.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 4, 2016 6:19:22 GMT -8
All I'm saying is that if my family just suffered some sort of heartbreaking loss or defeat, I would expect people to ask me how we are doing. It wasn't out of line at all. It's not like this was someone coming off the street and asking if your marriage is in trouble. It's more like someone saw you and your wife get in a very public, contentious argument and one of your friends asking you if everything is all right. Gary'a response seemed to aggressive for the situation and manner the question was asked. You do realize you have a negative connotation regarding almost all of your references regarding CGA...right. If my wife...family...children..are having trouble, I don't expect outside people to goad me. Or rub it in. Or sarcastically ask questions. It's not like the interviewer is asking the "hard questions no one else will ask." He is being a major male appendage. Fixed your first sentence.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 4, 2016 8:04:21 GMT -8
Oh man, you're right. I just realized that all my references to Gary Andersen are negative. Could that be because I don't like the way he handles things? I'm confused by what you think I'm supposed to say. I think he overreacted to this situation when he could've just let it go. I think he should've gone with a more subtle transition to his style of play. I think he's been given quite literally every advantage Oregon State could give him (more money for coaches/recruiting, iPads for all the players, increased staff, new facilities), and he's produced 4 wins in 20 games. I think he picked the wrong quarterback. I don't think that you can refer to every single thing we do as a "fight" and then be surprised when your linebacker hits a QB hard on a slide. I think his press conferences are often rambling and make no sense.
So, if I'm of all these opinions (which are my own and do not represent Beaver Nation, nor are the facts), why would I post things positively about him? I get that you guys disagree with me. But I also like hearing your side of the argument. It does cause to me look at things and say "am I wrong?" His style of motivation seems to work with the kids (there are plenty of tweets from players talking about their love for the man), but it rings hollow with me. We keep talking about how hard these kids play as if other teams went through the motions and didn't care if they won or lost, and I think that's just factually wrong. I don't think the fact that you outscore a team by 10 points in the second half of a game you got outscored by 35 in the first half means you tried harder. I believe many times it means the other team decided to ease off the pedal a little bit to keep the game clock moving, keep players healthy, and not show plays that they might be able to spring on another team in a more competitive game.
We have one conference win in 15 tries. We have yet to win a game on the road. The league is fairly down this year. Our last four games are against teams that are all vastly under-performing preseason expectations. Stanford was predicted to win the conference. They're 3-3 in conference and have suffered worse defeats to Washington and Washington State than we did this season. We're two touchdown underdogs. Oregon is in a fight for bowl eligibilty. We will be underdogs. UCLA is without their starting QB, and their season is on the ropes and have to win out just to be bowl eligible. We will be underdogs. Arizona is a game we should win.
We may be better next year. I tend to think that most of the conference will be better next year too. Plus, we are losing three starters off the o-line, our most consistent, and most explosive WR (Bolden), our inside linebacker (Saulo), an NFL caliber CB (DeCoud), and a team captain and solid safety (Chappell). Assuming Garretson is healthy and they didn't bring in this JC QB to ride the pine, our most prolific passing QB will most likely go back to being 3rd (or 4th or 5th) string. So no, I'm not sold that an improving win total is guaranteed for next year.
But if you really want to know why I'm so frustrated, it's because I don't feel like this is "our team" anymore. Prepare for your eye rolls, but under Riley, practices were open, fans were welcomed in, players and coaches were always available to the media. Heck, Parker and Warren did their show from the practice field all fall camp! I felt involved. Now, I feel like this is "Gary Andersen's" team, and we all get the privilege of watching from afar. I love Oregon State, I will continue to buy tickets and root us on every week.
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 4, 2016 8:36:04 GMT -8
Oh man, you're right. I just realized that all my references to Gary Andersen are negative. Could that be because I don't like the way he handles things? I'm confused by what you think I'm supposed to say. I think he overreacted to this situation when he could've just let it go. I think he should've gone with a more subtle transition to his style of play. I think he's been given quite literally every advantage Oregon State could give him (more money for coaches/recruiting, iPads for all the players, increased staff, new facilities), and he's produced 4 wins in 20 games. I think he picked the wrong quarterback. I don't think that you can refer to every single thing we do as a "fight" and then be surprised when your linebacker hits a QB hard on a slide. I think his press conferences are often rambling and make no sense. So, if I'm of all these opinions (which are my own and do not represent Beaver Nation, nor are the facts), why would I post things positively about him? I get that you guys disagree with me. But I also like hearing your side of the argument. It does cause to me look at things and say "am I wrong?" His style of motivation seems to work with the kids (there are plenty of tweets from players talking about their love for the man), but it rings hollow with me. We keep talking about how hard these kids play as if other teams went through the motions and didn't care if they won or lost, and I think that's just factually wrong. I don't think the fact that you outscore a team by 10 points in the second half of a game you got outscored by 35 in the first half means you tried harder. I believe many times it means the other team decided to ease off the pedal a little bit to keep the game clock moving, keep players healthy, and not show plays that they might be able to spring on another team in a more competitive game. We have one conference win in 15 tries. We have yet to win a game on the road. The league is fairly down this year. Our last four games are against teams that are all vastly under-performing preseason expectations. Stanford was predicted to win the conference. They're 3-3 in conference and have suffered worse defeats to Washington and Washington State than we did this season. We're two touchdown underdogs. Oregon is in a fight for bowl eligibilty. We will be underdogs. UCLA is without their starting QB, and their season is on the ropes and have to win out just to be bowl eligible. We will be underdogs. Arizona is a game we should win. We may be better next year. I tend to think that most of the conference will be better next year too. Plus, we are losing three starters off the o-line, our most consistent, and most explosive WR (Bolden), our inside linebacker (Saulo), an NFL caliber CB (DeCoud), and a team captain and solid safety (Chappell). Assuming Garretson is healthy and they didn't bring in this JC QB to ride the pine, our most prolific passing QB will most likely go back to being 3rd (or 4th or 5th) string. So no, I'm not sold that an improving win total is guaranteed for next year. But if you really want to know why I'm so frustrated, it's because I don't feel like this is "our team" anymore. Prepare for your eye rolls, but under Riley, practices were open, fans were welcomed in, players and coaches were always available to the media. Heck, Parker and Warren did their show from the practice field all fall camp! I felt involved. Now, I feel like this is "Gary Andersen's" team, and we all get the privilege of watching from afar. I love Oregon State, I will continue to buy tickets and root us on every week. In all seriousness, I find your response kind of fascinating - - You don't like the coach - You don't like how he motivates - You don't like his choices in terms of starters - You don't like his offensive philosophy - We don't win enough right now - You don't think we will win more next year - You don't like how he runs practices - You don't like how he speaks to the media/player availability - It's no longer your team - You've previously called him out for having players change positions - Called him out for 'throwing players under the bus' My friend, you sound downright miserable. So what fascinates me is the "I love Oregon State, I will buy tickets/root us on every week." So what compels you to keep coming back? I mean beyond being the team in the backyard, alumni(?) and the I love Oregon State? That's a lot of time, money, energy invested for what looks to be a pretty terrible ROI for you at the moment. Again, just curious, not arguing with what you said.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 4, 2016 8:45:20 GMT -8
What keeps me coming back to games? Ryan Nall running 89 yards up the gut and away from defensive backs. Bolden catching the ball in open space. Jalen Moore hitting a WR so hard he just drops the ball. Devin Chappell absolutely de-cleating a guy on a screen pass. The fact that because of busy schedules, these six or seven Saturdays a year are the only times I get to see some of my best friends and their families. Because my son doesn't care that we don't win, he just wants to be in the stadium cheering on the Beavs. Because I grew up in the 80's and 90's and didn't even know what it was like to cheer for a winning football team until I was 19 years old. Because my great grandfather moved to Corvallis in the first decade of the 20th century, and every generation since has gone to Oregon State.
Because I'm a god-damned Beaver.
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Post by Mike84 on Nov 4, 2016 10:44:06 GMT -8
I don't think that you can refer to every single thing we do as a "fight" and then be surprised when your linebacker hits a QB hard on a slide. I understand that you dislike the way Gary Andersen handles the rebuilding, the team, the media, and the program. Thank you for just stating it clearly rather than trying to disguise it. My least favorite thing is when posters have an agenda and try to pretend they don't. Also, I did understand your post about GA seemingly taking offense to the seemingly innocent question about whether or not his players were OK. Perhaps Andersen just took exception to the question because he'd been asked it too many times lately or because he feels the players have shown over and over again that they can weather the storms and come back "OK" for the next game. But I did understand your take on it. When I referred to your post in my earlier post, I wasn't trying to criticize you for your take. I was just pointing out that GA thinks of the team like family and thinks the questions along those lines are perhaps not what he feels he needs to answer. So, yeah, I get all that. I don't know, however, that you need to go out of your way to find reasons that GA offends you. For instance, I have listened to his take(s) on the targeting call in multiple interviews. He is consistent in defending the rule. He took the blame for the one on Falk because he feels it is his (GA's) responsibility to make sure his players are clear on which QBs are likely to slide and which are not. He did not act surprised or angry about the fact that Bright got the penalty. He just said they need to be more clear on how a given QB is likely to act -- which, to me, is the giant flaw in this rule. Defenders should not have to try to guess if a QB is actually going to slide or not. If a QB even starts to fake a slide, he should be down. But, that's a different topic for another day. I'm just saying that I think you are finding fault with GA even in cases when he really hasn't given you a reason.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 4, 2016 10:55:56 GMT -8
That may be....and his testiness with the media this week to me is a sign that he thinks OSU is good enough to win games like that now, and this one is wearing on him more than past wins because of that. I admire his passion and his belief in himself. I think we will win eventually, though at what level I don't know. What I fear is that the bar has been re-set to the point where all of a sudden OSU fans are thrilled with 8-4 seasons and mid-tier bowls, when that level wasn't good enough for the previous coach, who was consistently bashed for losing four games a year.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 4, 2016 11:02:51 GMT -8
I don't think that you can refer to every single thing we do as a "fight" and then be surprised when your linebacker hits a QB hard on a slide. I understand that you dislike the way Gary Andersen handles the rebuilding, the team, the media, and the program. Thank you for just stating it clearly rather than trying to disguise it. My least favorite thing is when posters have an agenda and try to pretend they don't. Also, I did understand your post about GA seemingly taking offense to the seemingly innocent question about whether or not his players were OK. Perhaps Andersen just took exception to the question because he'd been asked it too many times lately or because he feels the players have shown over and over again that they can weather the storms and come back "OK" for the next game. But I did understand your take on it. When I referred to your post in my earlier post, I wasn't trying to criticize you for your take. I was just pointing out that GA thinks of the team like family and thinks the questions along those lines are perhaps not what he feels he needs to answer. So, yeah, I get all that. I don't know, however, that you need to go out of your way to find reasons that GA offends you. For instance, I have listened to his take(s) on the targeting call in multiple interviews. He is consistent in defending the rule. He took the blame for the one on Falk because he feels it is his (GA's) responsibility to make sure his players are clear on which QBs are likely to slide and which are not. He did not act surprised or angry about the fact that Bright got the penalty. He just said they need to be more clear on how a given QB is likely to act -- which, to me, is the giant flaw in this rule. Defenders should not have to try to guess if a QB is actually going to slide or not. If a QB even starts to fake a slide, he should be down. But, that's a different topic for another day. I'm just saying that I think you are finding fault with GA even in cases when he really hasn't given you a reason. I think he gave the only reason he needs to... it's his opinion. You tend to think your lengthy posts of opinion are what? Superior? What we should believe? Factual? Do you neeed "reasons" other than its what you think? Right or wrong in your eyes we all have opinions on GAs tenure up to this point and whether you agree with it or not he gave you HIS reasons. As for the asute poster previous to yours... typical, can't be a fan unless you whole heartedly agree with the coach, program, and it's current direction. Complete and utter hogwash. I'm a fan of OSU, the school. I don't need to be a fan of every coach or coaching move to be an OSU supporter.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 4, 2016 11:11:52 GMT -8
What keeps me coming back to games? Ryan Nall running 89 yards up the gut and away from defensive backs. Bolden catching the ball in open space. Jalen Moore hitting a WR so hard he just drops the ball. Devin Chappell absolutely de-cleating a guy on a screen pass. The fact that because of busy schedules, these six or seven Saturdays a year are the only times I get to see some of my best friends and their families. Because my son doesn't care that we don't win, he just wants to be in the stadium cheering on the Beavs. Because I grew up in the 80's and 90's and didn't even know what it was like to cheer for a winning football team until I was 19 years old. Because my great grandfather moved to Corvallis in the first decade of the 20th century, and every generation since has gone to Oregon State. Because I'm a god-damned Beaver. I'm with you on most points. I will always be a Beaver fan, even when things aren't roses. In fact, I think that is what separates a true fan from a poseur! I may not be thrilled with a team or coach, but if they represent OSU, I will always support them until they are no longer affilited with that school I love!
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 4, 2016 11:31:24 GMT -8
I understand that you dislike the way Gary Andersen handles the rebuilding, the team, the media, and the program. Thank you for just stating it clearly rather than trying to disguise it. My least favorite thing is when posters have an agenda and try to pretend they don't. Also, I did understand your post about GA seemingly taking offense to the seemingly innocent question about whether or not his players were OK. Perhaps Andersen just took exception to the question because he'd been asked it too many times lately or because he feels the players have shown over and over again that they can weather the storms and come back "OK" for the next game. But I did understand your take on it. When I referred to your post in my earlier post, I wasn't trying to criticize you for your take. I was just pointing out that GA thinks of the team like family and thinks the questions along those lines are perhaps not what he feels he needs to answer. So, yeah, I get all that. I don't know, however, that you need to go out of your way to find reasons that GA offends you. For instance, I have listened to his take(s) on the targeting call in multiple interviews. He is consistent in defending the rule. He took the blame for the one on Falk because he feels it is his (GA's) responsibility to make sure his players are clear on which QBs are likely to slide and which are not. He did not act surprised or angry about the fact that Bright got the penalty. He just said they need to be more clear on how a given QB is likely to act -- which, to me, is the giant flaw in this rule. Defenders should not have to try to guess if a QB is actually going to slide or not. If a QB even starts to fake a slide, he should be down. But, that's a different topic for another day. I'm just saying that I think you are finding fault with GA even in cases when he really hasn't given you a reason. I think he gave the only reason he needs to... it's his opinion. You tend to think your lengthy posts of opinion are what? Superior? What we should believe? Factual? Do you neeed "reasons" other than its what you think? Right or wrong in your eyes we all have opinions on GAs tenure up to this point and whether you agree with it or not he gave you HIS reasons. As for the asute poster previous to yours... typical, can't be a fan unless you whole heartedly agree with the coach, program, and it's current direction. Complete and utter hogwash. I'm a fan of OSU, the school. I don't need to be a fan of every coach or coaching move to be an OSU supporter. I think you were referring to my post? I'm not sure where I said "typical, can't be a fan unless you whole heartedly agreed with the coach..". For starters, I've never said I personally agree with the coach. But that's besides the point. In fact, I think I was actually pretty clear- I said that he seemed miserable and upset with the direction of the program and I was curious as to what still motivated him and drove him to keep coming back. Pretty straight forward question and he answered it. For a Sophomore who preaches reading comprehension...
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