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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 3, 2016 7:04:02 GMT -8
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 3, 2016 7:24:58 GMT -8
I get what you're saying though - you could read that as a compliment or you could read that as a diss. Given Leach has already feuded with 1/2 the league, I guess I'm in the beware of anything your Crazy Uncle Mike Leach says side of the fence.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 3, 2016 7:36:03 GMT -8
I get what you're saying though - you could read that as a compliment or you could read that as a diss. Given Leach has already feuded with 1/2 the league, I guess I'm in the beware of anything your Crazy Uncle Mike Leach says side of the fence. GA needs to be savvy enough to know that he was being baited. I also think Leach gets a bit of a bad rap. The guy is clearly a bit crazy, but he isn't an out and out total jerk. He is more of that low level autism spectrum type of person with no blither filther on his mouth and a general lack of self-awareness.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 3, 2016 8:03:37 GMT -8
I'm confused....is GA dissing the performance McMariyon had? As if we'd had Garretson or Blount back there, we would've had a better chance to win? McMariyon has now produced the two highest QBR performances of the season (163.2 vs. Utah, 183.4 vs. WSU). Garretson's high was 135.1 vs. Minnesota and Blount's high was 125.5 vs. Boise.
McMariyon's three starts at Oregon State: vs. UO - 35 point underdog, loses 52-42 vs. UW - 37 point underdog, loses 41-17 vs. WSU - 14 point underdog, loses 35-31
Does anyone besides GA view him as our third string quarterback?
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 3, 2016 8:40:21 GMT -8
I'm confused....is GA dissing the performance McMariyon had? As if we'd had Garretson or Blount back there, we would've had a better chance to win? McMariyon has now produced the two highest QBR performances of the season (163.2 vs. Utah, 183.4 vs. WSU). Garretson's high was 135.1 vs. Minnesota and Blount's high was 125.5 vs. Boise. McMariyon's three starts at Oregon State: vs. UO - 35 point underdog, loses 52-42 vs. UW - 37 point underdog, loses 41-17 vs. WSU - 14 point underdog, loses 35-31 Does anyone besides GA view him as our third string quarterback? The problem we have is we have a HC and an OC that have a vision that McM doesn't match. It doesn't matter that he is actually the best all around QB we have... he is not a Chuckie Keeton clone. that is the problem. Gary Andersen is questing to find Chuckie Keeton 2.0 with every QB he coaches. He was trying to do that at Wisconsin, by starting a guy that wound up being a WR in the NFL... And he is trying to do it here with Seth Collins, then the Junior Varsity version of Seth Collins in Garretson, then the freshman team version of Collins with Blount... and finally, only in desperation does he turn to our best QB. It is just that he is more of a pocket passer. He doesn't match the vision.
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Post by sabzi on Nov 3, 2016 8:51:47 GMT -8
This is making a mountain out of a mole hill. The Beavers wouldn't have half the Vegas total or been 17 point dogs on a neutral field if they were every bit as talented, mature and in the same system for more than one year. Leach is a moron.
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Post by beavers91 on Nov 3, 2016 9:00:09 GMT -8
Here's my take on the Leach comment. I definitely think there was an ulterior motive, but not a jab. WSU is trying to climb up the polls and look good for recruits, etc. Leach is trying to make his team look as good as possible. Not saying that our guys aren't good or talented. But the better OSU looks, the better WSU's win looks. Reser is a tough environment to play in even at reduced attendance, and we thankfully have become a tough out not gimme and at home we definitely have a chance to win. I love my Beavs, but in reality it's not like WSU beat an upper division team on the road. I think it was more about him trying to make his team look better. Leach is crazy, so they way he goes about things is definitely unorthodox. Just my take.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 3, 2016 9:11:46 GMT -8
I'm confused....is GA dissing the performance McMariyon had? As if we'd had Garretson or Blount back there, we would've had a better chance to win? McMariyon has now produced the two highest QBR performances of the season (163.2 vs. Utah, 183.4 vs. WSU). Garretson's high was 135.1 vs. Minnesota and Blount's high was 125.5 vs. Boise. McMariyon's three starts at Oregon State: vs. UO - 35 point underdog, loses 52-42 vs. UW - 37 point underdog, loses 41-17 vs. WSU - 14 point underdog, loses 35-31 Does anyone besides GA view him as our third string quarterback? It does seem pretty laughable that McMaryion is our 3rd string QB. He just put up the ONLY 300 yard passing day of GA's tenure. Heck it was the first 275 yard passing day of GA's tenure. In fact, it was only the 4th 200 yard passing day in GAs tenure, and the 6th 400 yard day of total offense in GAs tenure. 2 of those 400 yard total offense days were with McMaryion as the starting QB. The other 400 yard days were vs SJSU 2015, Colorado 2015, Idaho State, and Cal (85 yards passing). Admittedly, WSU isn't the greatest defense in the world, but the games where McMaryion has played, the ball has actually been moved. A funny thing happens when you have a QB who can actually throw the ball. I can only assume that Garretson has been hurt since game 2, because if he looked better than McMaryion in practice, it certainly doesn't show in the games.
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Post by green85 on Nov 3, 2016 9:16:41 GMT -8
This is making a mountain out of a mole hill. The Beavers wouldn't have half the Vegas total or been 17 point dogs on a neutral field if they were every bit as talented, mature and in the same system for more than one year. Leach is a moron.
"Leach is a moron."
He certainly comes off as a moron. Even when his team does well his comments sound more like a lazy hound dog. I have yet to see him actually enjoy the game at WSU. Basically he wants the listener to work to understand what he really means and how great his team has played.
Talk about throwing players "under the bus" ... or more like "throwing them to the wolves" ... Leach directed his offensive linemen to face the media in a post game press conference after he berated their performance a couple of years ago. I lost all respect for him as a coach at that point.
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 3, 2016 9:48:16 GMT -8
I get what you're saying though - you could read that as a compliment or you could read that as a diss. Given Leach has already feuded with 1/2 the league, I guess I'm in the beware of anything your Crazy Uncle Mike Leach says side of the fence. Funny that you called him "Crazy Uncle"! We had some young (20 somethings) Coug fans sitting by us on Saturday. (I'm pretty sure that the folks who paid for those seats just either sell them to the opposing fans or maybe give them away - weird and annoying). When Leach went for it on 4th and 2 from his 42, with a few minutes left and leading by 4, I said, "Leach is crazy!" It made me hope all the more that this whacko would end up losing. His fake punt from inside his own 30 in the first half (also a fail) was also arrogant and foolish. I looked at the Coug fans after the failed 4th down play late in the game and asked them, "what's it like for you guys, never knowing what Leach is going to do?" One guy said, "Leach is nuts! We're just used to it!" Some might argue that the Pirate's riverboat gambler routine sends a message to his own kids that he trusts them and believes that they'll deliver, bolstering their confidence. However, most see it as reckless and foolish, and opponents can read it as disrespect. While it's not a coach's job to worry about being liked by the opponent, if he is perceived as stubborn and arrogant over time, and those decisions start costing his team in the win column (see hole and the two-point conversion debacle in Lincoln), the attempt at confidence can backfire on a guy!
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Post by beavdowg on Nov 3, 2016 11:41:18 GMT -8
Is it possible that Leach was simply being gracious and being nice in his assessment of the OSU team? If Mike Riley says the same thing week after week after week about every single team he plays we think he's just such a nice guy but Leach is complimentary (whether his true feelings or not) and he gets raked over the coals for it. I'm not a Leach fan or a hater. Frankly, I don't have an opinion about him at all. However, I wonder if everyone is reading far far too into this than is actually there.
Go Beavs!
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Post by beavineugene on Nov 3, 2016 12:41:50 GMT -8
Did anyone oh, I don't know actually LISTEN to the interview? Listen to the interview, then get back to us on how GA threw his players under the bus...
JC threw up some click bait and you all bit, hard!
If any coach threw his players under the bus it's Leach, who basically says his team isn't talented.
This post is exactly like last week when someone took a radio interview out of context and everyone was thinking we were going Air Raid. SMH...
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Post by nabeav on Nov 3, 2016 12:46:55 GMT -8
I can never remember a coach saying another team was full of good players resulting in a coach getting salty about it.
Which reminds me, in the press conference on Monday, Gary Andersen took the question of "what's the mood of the team?" and here was his answer:
"Awesome. Great. No problem. Everyone wants to talk about this and that oh where are they going to be and are they up or are they down and can they keep going...you guys don't know these guys. Nobody knows these guys like I know them. Don't worry about it, they'll play. Don't worry about it. They will play. Exclamation point." (He may have actually said "explanation point" which made me laugh, but I know what he meant.)
Mike Parker brought it back up (the first time I've ever heard someone ask Andersen to expand on an answer, which was nice to hear) a few minutes later.
"Coach when you say that we don't understand your guys, we accept that. On the other hand I just wonder do you have any concern when you play so well and expend so much effort and play so well and come up just short that they're not down..."
"On the flip side of that, that's not an attack on anybody. That's like someone walking into your house and asking you if your family is OK? My family is OK. That's just telling you what I think, that's not attacking anybody in any way shape or form. These kids understand exactly where they are, and they are continually growing. That is the challenge at hand....(there is then a break in his answer where Gary asks a reporter what he or she did to their foot)... where we are in this program right now is understanding that if you are going to win in this league there are going to be ups and downs there are going to be back and forths and there are going to be wins and losses for every team. We are nowhere near where we want to be in that category of wins and losses which is ultimately the measuring stick of any successful season. We all understand that. But in this process we're in you have to be a professional student athlete...."
He then rambled a little bit about players needing to handle themselves appropriately and said he tells them exactly what he feels about the game and "why they are where they are" and how they're hard on themselves as coaches and players and says "when you come up on the short end, you worry about their psyche" and "I expect them to jump right back in" and "we have to grow up."
So, then maybe it wasn't such a silly question after all?
Just seems like GA is extra salty this week. Not sure if that's the losses piling up, or just the way that game unfolded or what.
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Post by Mike84 on Nov 3, 2016 15:33:52 GMT -8
What was Mike Leach's initial "jab", you ask?
""They're an explosive team and they're a talented team, too. They're every bit as talented as we are."
The gall!
So Coach Leach compliments the talent level of the Beavers, and GA apparently just can't stand the idea that perhaps it's his coaching that hasn't been up to snuff, so he effectively throws his players under the bus by suggesting that Coach Leach couldn't possibly have been sincere in his comments toward the Beavers. Against my better judgement, I followed the link to the Canzano "article" (actually just teaser to get you to listen to his podcast). I then listened to the podcast (actually just an interview of Gary Andersen). I heard the quote from Leach, GA's humorous reaction (it was the first time he'd heard what Leach said), and the rest of the interview. Then I read through this thread. OMG, not even Canzano made as big a deal about GA's comments as some of our own fans are in this thread. GA is being taken to task for even daring to question Leach's motivation, even as he says (and we all know it to be true) "With Leach, you never know where it's going or where the next part of the conversation is going to head off to...". GA is being questioned for countering with the fact that we were using our third string quarterback (which would apparently be a diss to our 3rd string quarterback somehow) but GA wasn't even the one that said that. It was Canzano who said it. If you actually LISTEN to GA talk about his players, you hear how much he appreciates them, their effort, and their mindset. Some mention in this thread that Leach doesn't get much benefit of the doubt with what he says. It appears the same is true for GA for some fans. Some seem to want to find a diss in everything he says. He clearly cares about his players. When, as was mentioned in this thread, he was questioned about the psyche of his players did you notice that his analogy was somebody coming in to his home and asking if his family is OK? That's how he looks at it. He knows these players better than anybody and he knows they'll be OK. He knows they'll got right back to work and keep fighting. His laughing reaction to Mike Leach, of all people, doesn't change that.
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Post by orangemocha on Nov 3, 2016 16:31:55 GMT -8
I'm confused....is GA dissing the performance McMariyon had? As if we'd had Garretson or Blount back there, we would've had a better chance to win? McMariyon has now produced the two highest QBR performances of the season (163.2 vs. Utah, 183.4 vs. WSU). Garretson's high was 135.1 vs. Minnesota and Blount's high was 125.5 vs. Boise. McMariyon's three starts at Oregon State: vs. UO - 35 point underdog, loses 52-42 vs. UW - 37 point underdog, loses 41-17 vs. WSU - 14 point underdog, loses 35-31 Does anyone besides GA view him as our third string quarterback? The problem we have is we have a HC and an OC that have a vision that McM doesn't match. It doesn't matter that he is actually the best all around QB we have... he is not a Chuckie Keeton clone. that is the problem. Gary Andersen is questing to find Chuckie Keeton 2.0 with every QB he coaches. He was trying to do that at Wisconsin, by starting a guy that wound up being a WR in the NFL... And he is trying to do it here with Seth Collins, then the Junior Varsity version of Seth Collins in Garretson, then the freshman team version of Collins with Blount... and finally, only in desperation does he turn to our best QB. It is just that he is more of a pocket passer. He doesn't match the vision. In Andersen's offense the QB needs to be a running threat, McMariyon is not a runner and the other defense will key on the RB because they do not fear McMariyon running with the ball. He is the better passer by far, but not a runner.
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