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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 23, 2015 12:42:09 GMT -8
I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. I agree it is sure easy to look terrible when you don't know what you are doing. Remember that Louisville game? it was brought up in another thread. that 63-whatever butt kicking? Remember one of the CBs that spent the entire game getting burnt and staring at the back of Louisville's receivers jerseys? Wee young Gerard Lawson. He was benched after that for sure, and deservedly so. and he road the bench for some time, until a few years later he learned the craft, became a pretty good CB, and had that nice 100 yard kick return against Hawaii (when Hawaii wasn't a dumpster fire...). He even made a NFL roster as a UDFA and hung out a couple years. Heck, 2011 was pretty rough and basically all those same guys came back and gave us 9 wins the next season. For sure, you can look pretty darn cruddy when you have no idea what is happening on that field. you aren't playing you are thinking. that is where the coaches need to be working these guys. getting them to the point they are playing, not thinking. atown is right about the punt return. Soon as that first wave was through (and wtf was the gunner on the UW side of the field doing? That was his play!) it was a slow motion train wreck. |
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Post by beavsaregood on Nov 24, 2015 12:22:33 GMT -8
Hmmmmmm... "one hit wonder at Utah State..." That is a WEAK ass conference and he never had a recruiting class higher that 6th in that league... usually in the 9th-11th range... that won't cut it in the Pac12. At Wisky he did ZERO but maintain... including a embarrassing beat down to tOSU... (seems to be a theme no matter who his DC is... and is supposedly his forte???)... Recruiting was about the same level/middle of the pack. He has NEVER proven himself at a Power5 school as anything but a coordinator. Never understood why peeps were so excited to get GA, unless it was the fact he cam from Wisky. But, that says more about the state of our program than GA's prowess... Those who think this debacle is ALL about the lack of talent are truly wearing the orange goggles. We are young, but so are lots of other Pac12 teams and although we are younger do you see any one else gettign rolled week in and week out??? I do not mean just beaten badly, but ROLLED... this D is not only young, injured, but poorly coached/out of position... even back ups should know where to align and have been part fo the preparation... This is not ALL about lack of talent... it's about coaching and those who do have talent buying in... and maybe a lot of that due to how they are maligned in public (yep... part of so many other blogs with many more posters than I agreeing). We will not even go into the play calling and offensive ineptitude... just never seen so many random play calls that make no sense based on what is actually working... Bottom line, no matter your opinion, it is MORE than just talent level. We only get to recruit 25... and even if all them were starters, you just got younger and MORE inexperienced. Your couple posts are how I feel. But, as negative and pissed off I am, this is who(CGA) we're rolling with for a couple years (at least). I cannot say if players/coaches quit. That's a real SERIOUS accusation, though. I doubt it. Look. I was so happy that the Beavs landed a decent coach. Well, the honeymoon is over. I am optimistic that the team will improve next year. It can't get any worse, right? Hahaha! Look. In the end, we love our Beavs (win or lose). We must have faith. Win a few more next year. I'm done venting. ...........until LOI day! But, I'll be watching the carnage (civil war). Go Beavs. |
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Post by orangemocha on Nov 24, 2015 15:47:45 GMT -8
In keeping with the title... I've have been overly negative, but from the outside looking in something it just not right... it's not just talent level/strength/etc. There's lack of effort, weird play calling, suspect player evaluation/playing time, public coach speak that seems to create even more confusion... whatever it is I do think this staff got HUMBLED. I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. I think it is lack of talent, they were not that good in the old system and totally unsuited for the new one; however, there is a lack of trying/effort. Several times in these last games, players have not played hard. They knew this season is a disaster and they are just ridding it out till the bitter end. |
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Post by zebraworks on Nov 25, 2015 8:52:51 GMT -8
I doubt they knew this season was a disaster in that practicing against themselves was probably a fairly even matchup between the offense and defense. the blame for being awful is primarily on the recruiter but I do agree that the schemes suck too, I suspect there is a reason why Baldwin has only coached 2 yrs at most schools in the past
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 25, 2015 9:04:02 GMT -8
I still disagree with the lack of effort folks. I see a bunch of guys playing hard. It's more that they are out of position, slower than the opponent, and not as strong/athletic as the opponent. I think it is lack of talent, they were not that good in the old system and totally unsuited for the new one; however, there is a lack of trying/effort. Several times in these last games, players have not played hard. They knew this season is a disaster and they are just ridding it out till the bitter end. Hope this P-O link opens. www.pure-orange.net/cgi-bin/anyboard.cgi/bscpigskin?cmd=get&cG=331323&zu=333132&v=2&gV=0&p= |
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Post by beaver92 on Nov 25, 2015 10:53:02 GMT -8
Been watchin beaver football since the 70s. .i honestly think this is the worst team I have ever seen. And I've seen some bad ones I went to OSU in the late '80's and early '90's and in 1990 I took my Dad to his first College live football game. We sat on the old side that got renovated with the expansion. I looked up the attendance for that day: September 15 1:30 PM UNLV* Parker Stadium • Corvallis, OR L 20–45 ATTENDANCE:17,272 Yes that is Correct 17,272. It was a Warm sunny September day and only 17 Thousand 2 hundred and Seventy-two people came to the game. In the first half I remember turning the ball over several times. A guy several rows down (the only other person in the stands for about 20 feet on any side of us) was keeping a running count on his hands and would show another finger and a wide grin (UNLV fan) at each successive turnover. My Dad asked me several times "You like watching this?", "You PAY money to see this?" I would just grin at him and say "Yeah Dad, I do........" That football team was a comedy of errors, that was a 1-10 team that stunk up the place. We are in no way anywhere as bad as that team. I took my Dad to a football game every year from that point on and he really got to enjoy the time together and enjoy the product on the field as it got better and better. We once sat in pouring rain in a game vs. Cal my Dad was over 80 years old by then and he wouldn't leave the game until it was over even though he was soaked to the bone. In 1989 I couldn't go to the game and was studying in the Library when I heard this huge commotion below and looked out the window to see the Goalposts being carried down the street on the way to the Quad after we had just beat UCLA 18-17. Still really sorry I missed that game. But that was unexpected for us to do that. We have had some really crappy teams over the years and we have some people who have been fans only since the winning has started. Yes sometimes I fear the losing streaks will start all over again. Look at where we were when GA took over. 2012 Pac-12 Record 6-3 2013 Pac-12 Record 3-6 2014 Pac-12 Record 2-7 2015 Pac-12 Record so far 0-8 I expect 0-9. Was it trending up or down?  I also expect that next year we will be better. The record of OSU football when I went to school was 4-7-1 1-10 1-10 1-9-1 Gary Andersen will get us there, he has done it before and will do it again. I have every faith in that. BELIEVE!!!!!!! Happy Thanksgiving |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2015 11:01:10 GMT -8
I doubt they knew this season was a disaster in that practicing against themselves was probably a fairly even matchup between the offense and defense. the blame for being awful is primarily on the recruiter but I do agree that the schemes suck too, I suspect there is a reason why Baldwin has only coached 2 yrs at most schools in the past I think they knew. If you read Andersen's interviews from before the season he makes a lot of statements about the issues they were having. I think most people just chalked it up to coach-speak that all teams have that before the season, but he was serious. The one that sticks out the most to me was when he said the DB's are a big concern because they are getting beat in practice and it will only get worse once games start because they'll actually be playing against a QB who can beat them deep (read between the lines OSU doesn't have a QB who can do that). |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 25, 2015 13:25:11 GMT -8
I doubt they knew this season was a disaster in that practicing against themselves was probably a fairly even matchup between the offense and defense. the blame for being awful is primarily on the recruiter but I do agree that the schemes suck too, I suspect there is a reason why Baldwin has only coached 2 yrs at most schools in the past Hmmmm.... Baldwin coached at Utah State, under COACH ANDERSEN, for three years. The year before he got there they were ranked 79th in scoring offense, in his final year they were ranked 23rd. He didn't follow GA to Wisconsin, staying closer to home at Colorado State. The year before he arrived they were ranked 101st in scoring offense, in two years he coached them to 22nd, third year 32nd with just shy of 500 yards offense per game. He was interim Head Coach of CSU and PEOPLE WANTED HIM AS THEIR NEXT HEAD COACH when Gary Andersen came calling from Oregon State. This whole - he changed schools every two years because he's a crappy coach - thing that gets spewed here every now and then is a bunch of crap. |
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Post by zzufrevaeb on Nov 25, 2015 16:02:33 GMT -8
I doubt they knew this season was a disaster in that practicing against themselves was probably a fairly even matchup between the offense and defense. the blame for being awful is primarily on the recruiter but I do agree that the schemes suck too, I suspect there is a reason why Baldwin has only coached 2 yrs at most schools in the past Hmmmm.... Baldwin coached at Utah State, under COACH ANDERSEN, for three years. The year before he got there they were ranked 79th in scoring offense, in his final year they were ranked 23rd. He didn't follow GA to Wisconsin, staying closer to home at Colorado State. The year before he arrived they were ranked 121st in scoring offense, in two years he coached them to 22nd, third year 32nd with just shy of 500 yards offense per game. He was interim Head Coach of CSU and PEOPLE WANTED HIM AS THEIR NEXT HEAD COACH when Gary Andersen came calling from Oregon State. This whole - he changed schools every two years because he's a crappy coach - thing that gets spewed here every now and then is a bunch of crap. He didn't follow to Wisconsin purely from the type of offense Andersen HAD to run at Wisconsin via Alvarez. |
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Post by electricbeaver on Nov 26, 2015 10:32:34 GMT -8
I am worried about the upcoming couple of seasons... I'm just really, really worried about the program right now... I agree. It is not clear that the personnel remaining are skilled enough to be competitive. It seems there are few seniors leaving, and the remaining Fr, So, and Jr players were not good enough to displace the seniors. There are not enough incoming recruits to totally revamp the team. Tough times ahead, Beaver fans. Tough times. Hang in there. Go Beavers. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2015 10:54:15 GMT -8
I am worried about the upcoming couple of seasons... I'm just really, really worried about the program right now... I agree. It is not clear that the personnel remaining are skilled enough to be competitive. It seems there are few seniors leaving, and the remaining Fr, So, and Jr players were not good enough to displace the seniors. There are not enough incoming recruits to totally revamp the team. Tough times ahead, Beaver fans. Tough times. Hang in there. Go Beavers. We only have 6 seniors that are "starters" on the depth chart, and only one or 2 of those are playing the full game on a regular basis. I'm not saying we're loaded with great youth, but history has shown that a lot of kids that get criticised, or just plain ignored, early in their careers here turn out to be pretty darned good players by the time they're out of here. We've got a lot of freshmenergy and sophomores that are seeing plenty of PT right now... bodes well for their development in the future. Next year is gonna be tough in my opinion, I'm looking at 2017 being the year we start to see the direction of the program, could be 2018 before we see a bowl though, hopefully sooner. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 26, 2015 11:00:47 GMT -8
"Freshmenergy"? Sometimes I hate auto-correct... this time I like it. I hope we have a lot of good freshmenergy coming in next year.
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Post by Bill79 on Nov 26, 2015 12:10:26 GMT -8
Oregonlive: "They plan to bring 57 to Autzen Stadium, Andersen said, including all walk-ons from the state. OSU has obviously been decimated by injuries, particularly on defense, but Andersen noted that the low number is because 'some of them don't deserve to travel.'"
It sounds like quite a bit of attrition which means staying young longer. I hope the return to being competitive doesn't take too long.
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Post by ostate on Nov 26, 2015 12:56:41 GMT -8
I believe that MR and staff 'developed' 1/2/3 star players into actual D1 (and pro caliber) athletes; by the time his recruits hit the field they would probably be 3/4/5 star peeps... that being said, I do not believe that some of these athletes on the current roster can play in the P12 and GA knows it.
I guess I'm saying that the MR left the rooster void of 'ready to play' peeps and GA has been dealing with it all season. I think/hope that we can see an improvement after at least two GA recruiting classes... I hope...
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Post by jbjam on Nov 27, 2015 8:49:04 GMT -8
I hoped for better but what from the last several seasons under Riley made people believe we had talent? Even with Sean Mannion an NFL level QB (at worst a backup, best someday a starter) we were miserable last year, and the year before. Add in first round receivers. The recruiting had become abhorrent, worse than normal. Give it time, the coaches we have now have better resumes than any coaches we've had in the past.
Its painful now but it's not like other teams havn't dealt with this and turned around. Especially given the track records of the coaches we have. I'll trust they can do it until i'm proven they can't after 3-4 seasons. It would be more shocking if they can't given their history.
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