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Post by kersting13 on Jun 13, 2017 22:27:07 GMT -8
Did Pat Casey know about it when he recruited him? It's a simple question but it's of critical importance to understand the situation. Either no one asks or no one answers. This question has been raised by media members as well as message board members, but I still wonder why it matters? He wasn't required to offer up the information. He complied with the law in every way. He answered every question asked of him. What's the difference if Casey knew or didn't know? Which version is worse? Why? On a campus with 30K students, he's surely not the only one with a juvenile sex offense on his record. Amazingly screwed up that the whole thing came out because of an error by law enforcement. |
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Post by rollotomasi on Jun 13, 2017 23:37:34 GMT -8
Did Pat Casey know about it when he recruited him? It's a simple question but it's of critical importance to understand the situation. Either no one asks or no one answers. This question has been raised by media members as well as message board members, but I still wonder why it matters? He wasn't required to offer up the information. He complied with the law in every way. He answered every question asked of him. What's the difference if Casey knew or didn't know? Which version is worse? Why? On a campus with 30K students, he's surely not the only one with a juvenile sex offense on his record. Amazingly screwed up that the whole thing came out because of an error by law enforcement. Lawsuits - The Oregonian for libel. Luke is not a felon. Corvallis PD. Negligence for not knowing the law. |
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Post by ochobeavo on Jun 14, 2017 6:54:41 GMT -8
Again... never convicted. The word is used several times by Eggers but never by any of the experts. As far as I understand adjudication is not a conviction. And... picked up because Corvallis police did not know the law. Surprise. Correct, adjudication IS NOT a conviction and this is the broader intent of juvenile courts to begin with - because the individual is a minor, the goal is to provide the minor with the appropriate punishment but also a framework for rehabilitation and a 2nd chance - counseling, community service, therapy, probation, mandatory drug testing, diversion classes and so on. Is it perfect? Nope. Does it always fit the crime? Nope. but again - IMO that's the overall intent of the juvenile court system. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 14, 2017 8:28:10 GMT -8
Amazing that all.of this comes because the BENTON COUNTY POLICE did not know the rules... Not as has erroneous been reported that Luke didn't know the rules... And how amazingly frustrating must it be for Luke and family that he was TWO MONTHS from being able to get off the sex offender list when it all came out... WOW! I do not, for one second, believe this was all just an unfortunately coincidence... I believe there was directed malice that the Oregonian willfully played a role in for the sake of money. |
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 14, 2017 8:40:43 GMT -8
Amazing that all.of this comes because the BENTON COUNTY POLICE did not know the rules... Not as has erroneous been reported that Luke didn't know the rules... And how amazingly frustrating must it be for Luke and family that he was TWO MONTHS from being able to get off the sex offender list when it all came out... WOW! The more unfortunate timing for him is that it came out days before the Super-regional, and about a week before the MLB draft. The highest I'd seen him rated on draft boards was 31st, but he could have easily fallen to 131st. Either way, it's hundreds of thousands of dollars he's not getting. |
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Post by obf on Jun 14, 2017 9:01:37 GMT -8
Amazing that all.of this comes because the BENTON COUNTY POLICE did not know the rules... Not as has erroneous been reported that Luke didn't know the rules... And how amazingly frustrating must it be for Luke and family that he was TWO MONTHS from being able to get off the sex offender list when it all came out... WOW! I do not, for one second, believe this was all just an unfortunately coincidence... I believe there was directed malice that the Oregonian willfully played a role in for the sake of money. *** START MASSIVE GRAINS OF SALT -- GOSSIP COMING WARNING *** If you read the comments of the AngryBeavs post ( here) some folks in there who "know the family" (TAKE WITH BIG GRAIN OF SALT, anyone on the internet can pose as anyone/thing), seem to think it was either an estranged brother (who wasn't going to get a cut of the MLB money coming) or the mother of the girl (who might also be estranged and might not actually be the girls legal guardian anymore???) that directly called and tipped of Danny, and yes the timing was directly meant to screw Luke with regards to the draft... *** END MASSIVE GRAIN OF SALT -- GOSSIP COMING WARNING *** Sorry for posting gossip, if anyone finds it offensive or inappropriate please delete it, I just thought it was interesting food for thought. What I AM sure of is that stories like this are onions with many many layers and many many sides, perspectives and stories, hopefully some day we get to hear more of the sides so we can have a more fully educated and nuanced opinion on the matter. As it is now all we have really gotten is highly emotional grandstanding opinion pieces from reporters who don't seem to know anything, but just saw the words "Child Molestor" and went off... Kerry Eggers piece was what true journalism looks like. Report fact and expert testimonies, leave the tea reading and opinion blathering and sermonizing at the door. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 14, 2017 9:17:26 GMT -8
I do not, for one second, believe this was all just an unfortunately coincidence... I believe there was directed malice that the Oregonian willfully played a role in for the sake of money. *** START MASSIVE GRAINS OF SALT -- GOSSIP COMING WARNING *** If you read the comments of the AngryBeavs post ( here) some folks in there who "know the family" (TAKE WITH BIG GRAIN OF SALT, anyone on the internet can pose as anyone/thing), seem to think it was either an estranged brother (who wasn't going to get a cut of the MLB money coming) or the mother of the girl (who might also be estranged and might not actually be the girls legal guardian anymore???) that directly called and tipped of Danny, and yes the timing was directly meant to screw Luke with regards to the draft... *** END MASSIVE GRAIN OF SALT -- GOSSIP COMING WARNING *** Sorry for posting gossip, if anyone finds it offensive or inappropriate please delete it, I just thought it was interesting food for thought. What I AM sure of is that stories like this are onions with many many layers and many many sides, perspectives and stories, hopefully some day we get to hear more of the sides so we can have a more fully educated and nuanced opinion on the matter. As it is now all we have really gotten is highly emotional grandstanding opinion pieces from reporters who don't seem to know anything, but just saw the words "Child Molestor" and went off... Kerry Eggers piece was what true journalism looks like. Report fact and expert testimonies, leave the tea reading and opinion blathering and sermonizing at the door. definite rumblings about that. Adding smoke to the fire, the Oregonian has shut down all comments on any article linked to luke. Canzano posted a new rant and immediately locked comments. Oregonian is aggressively deleting links to the blog post people have dropped in the comments. But you are right it is unsubstantiated rumor at this time. But reading the tea leafs, it supports why Casey is steadfastly supporting Luke, why OSU has had sealed lips, and why the team both show strong support for Luke and also are not talking. That when Luke fessed up to coach when cited, he spilled the beans about the whole family drama. and from all these sources I think the picture is being painted that Luke H. came out of a pretty crazy, pretty dysfunctional family. It would be a bomb shell to the O and their reporting if it was confirmed the Mom was not the legal guardian... |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Jun 14, 2017 9:26:43 GMT -8
Luke not pitching doesn't help the team and it doesn't provide any justice. Bottom line
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Post by NativeBeav on Jun 14, 2017 9:28:14 GMT -8
(Reposted from another thread on this topic) I have two daughters, and can only imagine how the parents of this girl felt at the time this came up - both then and now. But at the end of the day, no one wins in this situation. Keeping LH from pitching is only adding insult to injury. By the way, I am not just saying this because he is a starting pitcher, or as a Beaver homer. I have been less than hospitable with the shenanigans of players from TOSDS. Context? They were active players - LH was not at the time of the incident. He was also a juvenile at the time.
On a side note, if I was a good criminal attorney, on behalf of LH I would wait until this CWS is over, and investigate further. If this was a mistaken outing of LH by the CPD as Eggers indicates, and if it was the decision by the admin at OSU in the super regional, and now at the CWS to hold LH back from pitching, I would be looking to file a lawsuit not only against CPD, but also OSU for violating LH rights. He has rights as well as the victim. And thus far, the university by holding him back have violated his LEGAL rights, IMHO. I know many have said he should not have been allowed to ever suit up as an OSU player as a registered sex offender, but if that is your wish, you best put it in writing for others in the future. It cannot be applied subjectively - LH followed the law, and did not hide anything. The only reason in the end I might not file the lawsuit is he can apply to have his record expunged in August, and that would be way better than going the legal route, which most certainly would destroy his potential MLB career.
We live is such a screwed up country and world at this point - moral schizophrenia runs incredibly deep in 21st century America. Sad all the way around.
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Post by spudbeaver on Jun 14, 2017 15:22:56 GMT -8
Did Pat Casey know about it when he recruited him? It's a simple question but it's of critical importance to understand the situation. Either no one asks or no one answers. This question has been raised by media members as well as message board members, but I still wonder why it matters? He wasn't required to offer up the information. He complied with the law in every way. He answered every question asked of him. What's the difference if Casey knew or didn't know? Which version is worse? Why? On a campus with 30K students, he's surely not the only one with a juvenile sex offense on his record. Amazingly screwed up that the whole thing came out because of an error by law enforcement. Sorry it took me so long to reply. It matters to me because if I knew that Pat Casey was aware of the crime and still recruited Heimlich that he would have scrutinized the situation very thoroughly and carefully, and could stand by him, like he is now, but with much more conviction and say we believe that he's truly remorseful. That he's paid his debt, gone through counseling, etc. etc. and that we believe he is a different person now, and tragic as it was, that the incident is truly behind him. We would also be assured that Casey's bosses knew, and would back him up as well. That would hold a lot of water to me. Quite frankly, the OSU administration botched this whole thing big time. They look like a bunch of idiots that got caught flat footed. Get the facts fast, meet with Heimlich, Casey, etc. and make a decision. Then announce the damn outcome. Don't leave everybody guessing, then you get a giant cluster of misinformation and speculation from the likes of us! The fact that it came to light due to an error by the law enforcement is indeed bad luck. But the fact remains that it all comes back to what Luke did. It's certainly a bad deal all around. No winners here. |
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Post by obf on Jun 14, 2017 15:34:20 GMT -8
This question has been raised by media members as well as message board members, but I still wonder why it matters? He wasn't required to offer up the information. He complied with the law in every way. He answered every question asked of him. What's the difference if Casey knew or didn't know? Which version is worse? Why? On a campus with 30K students, he's surely not the only one with a juvenile sex offense on his record. Amazingly screwed up that the whole thing came out because of an error by law enforcement. Sorry it took me so long to reply. It matters to me because if I knew that Pat Casey was aware of the crime and still recruited Heimlich that he would have scrutinized the situation very thoroughly and carefully, and could stand by him, like he is now, but with much more conviction and say we believe that he's truly remorseful. That he's paid his debt, gone through counseling, etc. etc. and that we believe he is a different person now, and tragic as it was, that the incident is truly behind him. We would also be assured that Casey's bosses knew, and would back him up as well. That would hold a lot of water to me. Quite frankly, the OSU administration botched this whole thing big time. They look like a bunch of idiots that got caught flat footed. Get the facts fast, meet with Heimlich, Casey, etc. and make a decision. Then announce the damn outcome. Don't leave everybody guessing, then you get a giant cluster of misinformation and speculation from the likes of us! The fact that it came to light due to an error by the law enforcement is indeed bad luck. But the fact remains that it all comes back to what Luke did. It's certainly a bad deal all around. No winners here. This for sure! It has been a WEEK now and still nary a real word of explanation from OSU or Casey. Pat has said a few supportive things about Luke, "He has been a model student" etc. But no info about who knew what when... I said it days ago, but legalise be damned, the silence is deafening! |
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Post by nabeav on Jun 15, 2017 7:54:06 GMT -8
With regards to if OSU knew about the adjudication when they signed him, I have to think the answer is no. I mean, OSU is in a position of pulling in top 10 draft classes every year....why go after a kid with any baggage that you don't need?
As far as people quibbling over if he's a repeat sex offender or a one time sex offender or if he was convicted or adjudicated or any other semantics, he submitted a signed statement admitting sexual contact with a six year old girl. That is a FACT, and I don't care what you call it. No matter what you call it, it happened regardless of if there's a crime on his record or not. If you rob a jewelry store, but get off due to lack of evidence, you still robbed the jewelry store. You're not innocent...just innocent in the eyes of the law.
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Post by baseba1111 on Jun 15, 2017 15:47:31 GMT -8
With regards to if OSU knew about the adjudication when they signed him, I have to think the answer is no. I mean, OSU is in a position of pulling in top 10 draft classes every year....why go after a kid with any baggage that you don't need? As far as people quibbling over if he's a repeat sex offender or a one time sex offender or if he was convicted or adjudicated or any other semantics, he submitted a signed statement admitting sexual contact with a six year old girl. That is a FACT, and I don't care what you call it. No matter what you call it, it happened regardless of if there's a crime on his record or not. If you rob a jewelry store, but get off due to lack of evidence, you still robbed the jewelry store. You're not innocent...just innocent in the eyes of the law. NO ONE... ABSOLUTELY NO ONE... on this site disputed what happened or it was a minor offense. The outrage is how this came to be public, the misguided law enforcement of CPD, the inaccurate characterization and terminology to incite others, the lack of institutional comment or even credible response time for a young man who has done everything correctly as laid out since he made the horrible mistakes. Despite all the expert statements that the story and publicity has done harm to the victim the paper and reporters are seen as do gooders. This was a simple vendetta that DM and JC willingly played a significant role to carry out. It's a prime example of how our society today completely overreacts and takes sides without hearing about the entire story. About sensationalistic media members trying to make a name for themselves by intentionally creating controversy. And, the vindictive nature of some who can't see the difference between the action, the rehab, the victim, the intent of the story, and think supporting Luke is minimizing the act or disrespecting the victim. We've become a shallow, judgemental, hateful people... and it's getting worse. Folks this is not on Trump... it's on us. |
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Post by beaver1989 on Jun 15, 2017 17:05:28 GMT -8
Heimlich was probably messing around with pornography. That garbage will rot a person's mind.
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Post by kersting13 on Jun 15, 2017 17:29:32 GMT -8
Heimlich was probably messing around with pornography. That garbage will rot a person's mind. Oh, SH!T. I hope it's reversible, or else I'm in BIG trouble!!!! |
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