billsaab
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Post by billsaab on Jun 14, 2017 9:42:50 GMT -8
I read the article earlier. I appreciate Kerry and I thought the article covered it properly. I have been upset with the Oregonian and their insistence on undefined self righteousness and justice. I hope Luke can have a great Career in Baseball. I believe in forgiveness ,restitution,restoration in this case for all concerned.
My opinion is Luke should stay Home and we do the best we can. I do hope the family can forgive Him and He can in some way help that now 11 Year Old. I feel the Police goofed up in Corvallis, but someone leaked this. I feel for the whole Team as well I hope they can really stay hot. I felt compassion for Casey as well,which I don't see from the Oregonian newspaper.
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bbfan
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Post by bbfan on Jun 14, 2017 9:43:35 GMT -8
Luke has no legal right to play baseball at Oregon State. Guys get scholarships pulled for just not fitting a coaches plan anymore, effectively ending their careers. Guys have been dismissed from teams for far less than Luke's situation. I think he has a case against law enforcement for wrongly citing him and damaging his future earning potential, but I don't think he has any legal recourse vs. Oregon State unless the kick him off campus. There is zero legal recourse against Osu. You can pull a scholarship simply for someone not fitting your new offense |
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Post by atownbeaver on Jun 14, 2017 9:55:20 GMT -8
Luke has no legal right to play baseball at Oregon State. Guys get scholarships pulled for just not fitting a coaches plan anymore, effectively ending their careers. Guys have been dismissed from teams for far less than Luke's situation. I think he has a case against law enforcement for wrongly citing him and damaging his future earning potential, but I don't think he has any legal recourse vs. Oregon State unless the kick him off campus. I agree with this. There isn't a lot of "legal" avenues about baseball. I will mention though, you are conflating past offenses with people that break the rules while being part of the team. You are hard pressed to find many examples of a person that was has completed their punishment for a crime that was THEN kicked off the team for that event. In regards of MLB draft status and talk of lawsuit... I think it would be real interesting. So many moving parts. On one hand there are immense protections in place for juvenile offenders, exactly for this reason. because the intent of the juvenile system is to reform and produce a productive member of society. This whole event is EXACTLY why records are kept closed, and public viewing is very difficult. We are taking a kid that was deemed "reformed" by the justice system, a kid that graduated high school with a 3.76 GPA and engaged in numerous extra-curricular activities, a kid that maintained a 3.3 GPA at OSU and has been a model citizen.. we are taking that kid and deleting every thing positive he has ever done in his life, saying none of that matters, you are a sex offender. no MLB for you! On the other, what was discovered, WAS public record. there was no "privacy" violated. Even if this was done in malice, there wasn't anything illegal about it, that I can tell. It was just dubious in why it happened. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 14, 2017 10:04:30 GMT -8
If you guys think Ed Ray, who was in charge of the Penn State sanctions, is going to let Luke pitch in Omaha you are nuts. The backlash against Osu would be incredible. My guess at this point is Luke retains his scholarship and can continue as a student at Osu but we have seen the last of him playing. I am not saying I agree with this approach, but it feels like its the political reality of the situation. False equivalency. I truly believe that if OSU and Luke have done everything required of them legally and ethically there is NO ARGUMENT for Luke not being allowed to compete as an OSU student in good standing and an OSU baseball team player in good standing. I understand there may be facts that are not public knowledge. If they affect this decision I hope they are made public. |
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Post by obf on Jun 14, 2017 10:10:56 GMT -8
Asking because I really don't know....
When a reporter makes a factual mistake can that be legally actionable? What is the law here? I know that reporters have some protections as well, like if they got bad info they cant really be held responsible for it..?
Two specific examples:
Reporters continually (and still are) referring to Luke as a "Convicted Felon" which is not true. In fact the NCAA specifically tells recruits and such that if they are juveniles who have been "adjudicated" (NOT convicted) to mark the check box NO when ask if they are a felon.
It was repeated multiple times that this was all "Luke's Fault Anyways" for failing to register (or re-register) on his 21st birthday, which has now been revealed to have been the Corvallis Police Depts mistake not Lukes... Is that something that a reporter need to go back and retract? Or can they just leave that false info out there and not worry about it because of the first amendment or something?
In the end we have a very incomplete picture of the truth and in reality it is a truth we should never had the privilege to even sniff at. Luke and his families private tragedy should have stayed just that, private.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 14, 2017 10:19:21 GMT -8
Ed Ray took a ton of **** from Penn State fans regarding the sanctions. To turn around and let Luke pitch is not going to go over well. Again I can see both sides of this and think Luke deserves a chance to lead a productive life in whatever field he can succeed in but I just don't see that happening at Oregon State. Best thing would be for him to get drafted today and move on to the minors 1. I couldn't care less what the walking dead Joebot army says about Ed Ray. 2. I don't see any parallels between Jerry Sandusky/Joe Paterno and Luke Heimlich/Pat Casey. None. |
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Post by beaverintheberg on Jun 14, 2017 10:22:47 GMT -8
I've spoken to people involved in the judicial and penal system about this case. They are appalled at the attitudes many people are taking toward Luke. The recidivism rate in these cases is very low. To perpetually punish somebody they did as a juvenile is very discouraging and inappropriate.
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Post by Werebeaver on Jun 14, 2017 10:47:36 GMT -8
I've spoken to people involved in the judicial and penal system about this case. They are appalled at the attitudes many people are taking toward Luke. The recidivism rate in these cases is very low. To perpetually punish somebody they did as a juvenile is very discouraging and inappropriate. They may be appalled but I can't imagine they'd be surprised. This is a highly charged subject. And a difficult subject to assess objectively. But it must be decided dispassionately and objectively. |
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bill82
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Post by bill82 on Jun 14, 2017 11:31:04 GMT -8
I've spoken to people involved in the judicial and penal system about this case. They are appalled at the attitudes many people are taking toward Luke. The recidivism rate in these cases is very low. To perpetually punish somebody they did as a juvenile is very discouraging and inappropriate. They may be appalled but I can't imagine they'd be surprised. This is a highly charged subject. And a difficult subject to assess objectively. But it must be decided dispassionately and objectively. My wife coordinates physical therapy for offenders in six facilities. She enjoys the work and feels (we both do) that when they are released they should be in shape to take on gainful employment. But she has peers that would never touch an offender. Some feel that lending any aid to an offender is wrong. I see that same dichotomy in the discussion on LH. So, disappointed not surprised in the general public. Appalled that OSU administration is hiding in a bunker. They can issue a follow-up letter that is not specific but that would be read as supportive. They have had plenty of time for fact-finding. I'm thinking Pat's statement that LH only has the baseball team on his side may have referred to LH's family and certainly the school missing in action. |
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