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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 3, 2017 15:05:43 GMT -8
Washington was not winnable. I don't know what game you were watching.
Yes...3m had a couple of decent games against bad teams, but his presence does not suddenly make our D better, our line block better, our receivers suddenly able to get open. Would we have had closer losses with him in there? Probably. But, to think we let go an "all world" QB is absurd. His "legend" continues to grow.
And JS had 5 times the talent around him that 3M did. I love Smitty, but he had a 51% career completion percentage. He was a game manager that did not turn the ball over. JS had a good line, a great RB and some of the best receivers OSU ever had. He didn't need to make everyone around him better.
This team is a S*&tshow with any QB right now. Game script... Above all things 3M controls the game script. Meaning he is more efficient with the ball. he completes more first downs, he moves the ball, takes care of the ball and minimizes turnovers. We score more, we sustain drives and we keep our defense off the field. That helps the defense. Defense faces fewer snaps. Defense can gamble a little bit more. Offense can capitalize on turnovers, etc. Our lack of depth is minimized when our defense is on the field for 20 or 30 fewer snaps. Our injury risk decreases when our defense is on the field for 20 or 30 fewer snaps. Oregon state has run exactly 300 offensive plays (not counting penalty nullified plays) compared to opponents running 379 plays against us. Is our defense better if they defend 70 fewer plays this season? I betcha they are. Game script man. That is what 3M changes. George Washington said towards the end of his life that "…make them believe, that offensive operations, often times, is the surest, if not the only (in some cases) means of defence" There is a saying in the Wing Chung school of Kung Fu that "The hand that strikes is also the hand that blocks" Or in the more modern and immortal words of Jack Dempsy "The best defense is a good offense"
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 3, 2017 15:07:24 GMT -8
At halftime: Colorado State 24 - Oregon State 20 Minnesota 20 - Oregon State 14 Washington 7 - Oregon State 0 One or two plays, turn those games into halftime leads for Oregon State. With McMaryion at the helm, at least one of those three turns into a full-time win. The defense is bad, but their problems are exacerbated by an offense that consistently scurries back to the bench after three plays in the second half. There you guy re-writing history again and making me extremely frustrated. The bottom line is McM only wore size 34s. Case closed. Evidently 3m was either Bill Brasky or the most interesting man in the world.
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Post by Judge Smails on Oct 3, 2017 15:11:28 GMT -8
In the immortal words of Colonel Sanders, "I'm too drunk to taste this chicken"Game script... Above all things 3M controls the game script. Meaning he is more efficient with the ball. he completes more first downs, he moves the ball, takes care of the ball and minimizes turnovers. We score more, we sustain drives and we keep our defense off the field. That helps the defense. Defense faces fewer snaps. Defense can gamble a little bit more. Offense can capitalize on turnovers, etc. Our lack of depth is minimized when our defense is on the field for 20 or 30 fewer snaps. Our injury risk decreases when our defense is on the field for 20 or 30 fewer snaps. Oregon state has run exactly 300 offensive plays (not counting penalty nullified plays) compared to opponents running 379 plays against us. Is our defense better if they defend 70 fewer plays this season? I betcha they are. Game script man. That is what 3M changes. George Washington said towards the end of his life that "…make them believe, that offensive operations, often times, is the surest, if not the only (in some cases) means of defence" There is a saying in the Wing Chung school of Kung Fu that "The hand that strikes is also the hand that blocks" Or in the more modern and immortal words of Jack Dempsy "The best defense is a good offense"
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 3, 2017 15:40:10 GMT -8
McMaryion had a way of making everyone around him better
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Please. Marcus started seven games at OSU. He won two, against the two worst teams in the Pac-12 in 2016, both at home, one against a warm-weather team in late November, another against a team that had absolutely quit. He helped build a halftime lead against WSU, then generated nothing offensively in the second half. He did OK at Washington, was not good against UCLA and Stanford.
Would we be better with him? Probably. Would we be anything other than 1-4? Absolutely not.
He seems to be happy at Fresno State, I'm happy for him. He will also play far, far better teams than Nevada in the future.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 3, 2017 16:29:22 GMT -8
Washington was not winnable. I don't know what game you were watching.
Yes...3m had a couple of decent games against bad teams, but his presence does not suddenly make our D better, our line block better, our receivers suddenly able to get open. Would we have had closer losses with him in there? Probably. But, to think we let go an "all world" QB is absurd. His "legend" continues to grow.
And JS had 5 times the talent around him that 3M did. I love Smitty, but he had a 51% career completion percentage. He was a game manager that did not turn the ball over. JS had a good line, a great RB and some of the best receivers OSU ever had. He didn't need to make everyone around him better.
This team is a S*&tshow with any QB right now. At halftime: Colorado State 24 - Oregon State 20 Minnesota 20 - Oregon State 14 Washington 7 - Oregon State 0 One or two plays, turn those games into halftime leads for Oregon State. With McMaryion at the helm, at least one of those three turns into a full-time win. The defense is bad, but their problems are exacerbated by an offense that consistently scurries back to the bench after three plays in the second half. Wilky is right, that Washington game was a lot more winnable than the score indicates. OSU only had 43/44 offensive plays. Our defense played 84 plays. Get a QB that can change our 10 "drives" of 6 plays or less (mostly less) into 2-3 scores of any type and 3 or 4 somewhat longer than 3-4 play drives and UW doesn't score as much and the game looks entirely different. A better game manager that can complete a few passes longer than 15 yards downfield (DG had passing plays of 14 and 19 yards to Nall, largely based on Nall getting yards after catch I believe. Our next longest passing play all game was 6 yards) could likely extend a few drives, and it shouldn't take an All-Pro QB to do that. You said it yourself, JS had great receivers around him and he still managed only 51%, 3M hit at just under 60% last year and is at just under 73% this year (and almost half of his pass attempts were against Alabama and UW). I'm not saying 3M is a top notch QB, but he's had some production and he moved his team against UW just 3 weeks ago a heck of a lot better than our team moved against them. I don't know if our lack of downfield pass plays was on DG our our O Coordinators. If it continues the losses are probably going to continue... but the reality is, some of those losses could go the other way with just a little change.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 3, 2017 18:29:37 GMT -8
McMaryion had a way of making everyone around him better ============================ Please. Marcus started seven games at OSU. He won two, against the two worst teams in the Pac-12 in 2016, both at home, one against a warm-weather team in late November, another against a team that had absolutely quit. He helped build a halftime lead against WSU, then generated nothing offensively in the second half. He did OK at Washington, was not good against UCLA and Stanford. Would we be better with him? Probably. Would we be anything other than 1-4? Absolutely not. He seems to be happy at Fresno State, I'm happy for him. He will also play far, far better teams than Nevada in the future. Whenever we speak in absolutes, it's easily refutable. I'm not here to say we'd be world-beaters with 3M as our QB, but the Minnesota game was definitely a "snowball" game, in that our offense kept giving the ball back to the Gophers after gaining ONE first down the entire 2nd half, that our defense didn't stand a chance. The ineptitude of the offense in that 2nd half was the #1 contributor to the loss in that game. I'm not sure we'd be anything other than 1-4, but we might actually have been competitive in a couple of those games we were blown out in. Our defense isn't good, but one way teams help out a poor defense is by keeping them off the field. If we're losing games 41-34 or 42-21 after hanging tough til half time, we wouldn't be quite as doom-and-gloom as we are, and resigned to the likelihood of a 1-11 season, with a lame duck coach. SaveSave
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 3, 2017 18:55:05 GMT -8
Yep. We had 8 first downs for the entire Washington game, 5 if you throw out the last (only) drive. 3M led Fresneck to 9 against UW (out of 18 for the game) three weeks back in the half he played. Our offense is anemic to say the least.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 3, 2017 19:04:56 GMT -8
Washington was not winnable. I don't know what game you were watching.
Yes...3m had a couple of decent games against bad teams, but his presence does not suddenly make our D better, our line block better, our receivers suddenly able to get open. Would we have had closer losses with him in there? Probably. But, to think we let go an "all world" QB is absurd. His "legend" continues to grow.
And JS had 5 times the talent around him that 3M did. I love Smitty, but he had a 51% career completion percentage. He was a game manager that did not turn the ball over. JS had a good line, a great RB and some of the best receivers OSU ever had. He didn't need to make everyone around him better.
This team is a S*&tshow with any QB right now. Game script... Above all things 3M controls the game script. Meaning he is more efficient with the ball. he completes more first downs, he moves the ball, takes care of the ball and minimizes turnovers. We score more, we sustain drives and we keep our defense off the field. That helps the defense. Defense faces fewer snaps. Defense can gamble a little bit more. Offense can capitalize on turnovers, etc. Our lack of depth is minimized when our defense is on the field for 20 or 30 fewer snaps. Our injury risk decreases when our defense is on the field for 20 or 30 fewer snaps. Oregon state has run exactly 300 offensive plays (not counting penalty nullified plays) compared to opponents running 379 plays against us. Is our defense better if they defend 70 fewer plays this season? I betcha they are. Game script man. That is what 3M changes. George Washington said towards the end of his life that "…make them believe, that offensive operations, often times, is the surest, if not the only (in some cases) means of defence" There is a saying in the Wing Chung school of Kung Fu that "The hand that strikes is also the hand that blocks" Or in the more modern and immortal words of Jack Dempsy "The best defense is a good offense" The great band said "Everybody have fun tonight. Everybody Wang Chung tonight." Whoa...
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Post by usmc1958 on Oct 3, 2017 20:01:39 GMT -8
McMaryion had a way of making everyone around him better ============================ Please. Marcus started seven games at OSU. He won two, against the two worst teams in the Pac-12 in 2016, both at home, one against a warm-weather team in late November, another against a team that had absolutely quit. He helped build a halftime lead against WSU, then generated nothing offensively in the second half. He did OK at Washington, was not good against UCLA and Stanford. Would we be better with him? Probably. Would we be anything other than 1-4? Absolutely not. He seems to be happy at Fresno State, I'm happy for him. He will also play far, far better teams than Nevada in the future. Whenever we speak in absolutes, it's easily refutable. I'm not here to say we'd be world-beaters with 3M as our QB, but the Minnesota game was definitely a "snowball" game, in that our offense kept giving the ball back to the Gophers after gaining ONE first down the entire 2nd half, that our defense didn't stand a chance. The ineptitude of the offense in that 2nd half was the #1 contributor to the loss in that game. I'm not sure we'd be anything other than 1-4, but we might actually have been competitive in a couple of those games we were blown out in. Our defense isn't good, but one way teams help out a poor defense is by keeping them off the field. If we're losing games 41-34 or 42-21 after hanging tough til half time, we wouldn't be quite as doom-and-gloom as we are, and resigned to the likelihood of a 1-11 season, with a lame duck coach. SaveSave Interesting, we've got a lame duck coach that is also a lame Beaver coach. Sorry, just trying to find a little humor in a humorless situation. We should have known something was amiss when at his first news conference CGA said "the first thing we have to do is get all our ducks in a row". Bad omen. The way things look now - in the CW, the ducks will be putting all their Beavers in a row.
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