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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Oct 1, 2017 12:18:18 GMT -8
Is there something even more seriously wrong with him at this point?
I mean does this go beyond actual coaching deficiencies this season? Is there something mentally or physically wrong w him that has possibly been hidden? Sure it seems like he's lost a lot of the players and now most of the fans based on what we've seen. But it's even more than that. Nothing ever gets done at halftime. Post game he acts as if he honestly doesn't even realize who has and hasnt played or even why they haven't when asked after multiple games. He admits his coordinators are basically in charge of everything. He doesn't have a coherent system on either side of the ball.
This just isn't the same person who led USU to a top 20 ranking or Wisconsin to a division title. Its like he doesn't even understand what's going on around him as everything has been vaporized this year.
I'm terrified at what he's doing to our program. I'm also worried about what's going on with him personally to have totally lost it as a coach
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 12:29:07 GMT -8
Is there something even more seriously wrong with him at this point? I mean does this go beyond actual coaching deficiencies this season? Is there something mentally or physically wrong w him that has possibly been hidden? Sure it seems like he's lost a lot of the players and now most of the fans based on what we've seen. But it's even more than that. Nothing ever gets done at halftime. Post game he acts as if he honestly doesn't even realize who has and hasnt played or even why they haven't when asked after multiple games. He admits his coordinators are basically in charge of everything. He doesn't have a coherent system on either side of the ball. This just isn't the same person who led USU to a top 20 ranking or Wisconsin to a division title. Its like he doesn't even understand what's going on around him as everything has been vaporized this year. I'm terrified at what he's doing to our program. I'm also worried about what's going on with him personally to have totally lost it as a coach It sure is weird for a coach to say it isn't on him to know why players are held out. It is understandable if something unexpected happened at the last minute and he didn't get wind of it. The coaches get busy and snot happens. But for the Head coach to point fingers at the assistant coaches is sign of a serious fracture. There is no way in hell a team can win games in this situation. Chaos in the cockpit means the plane will crash. No question. Even after a Riley team lost shamefully and without explanation the coaching cabal seemed solid. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2017 12:36:50 GMT -8
No.
He's simply not the right guy for OSU. Probably not the right guy anywhere, just got lucky at USU one year because a QB played out of his head, and took over a good situation in Wisky.
He's a decent man, I'm sure very frustrated by what is going on, and hopefully the problems he himself has created, but questioning his physical or mental health? Cmon.
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Oct 1, 2017 12:52:28 GMT -8
Hey I was just asking. You're the one basically saying he was never the right guy anywhere and dismissed putting a crap program like USU into the top 20. I was at least giving him credit for what his teams had done before. Plus don't forget, we were far more competitive last year.
So how do you explain dropping like a friggin rock this year with a lot of the same players, if there's nothing wrong w him this year compared to any other year?
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 12:54:02 GMT -8
No. He's simply not the right guy for OSU. Probably not the right guy anywhere, just got lucky at USU one year because a QB played out of his head, and took over a good situation in Wisky. He's a decent man, I'm sure very frustrated by what is going on, and hopefully the problems he himself has created, but questioning his physical or mental health? Cmon. Well, we're running out of logical explanations and reasoning. When that is exhausted, then what? |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 13:03:13 GMT -8
Hey I was just asking. You're the one basically saying he was never the right guy anywhere and dismissed putting a crap program like USU into the top 20. I was at least giving him credit for what his teams had done before. Plus don't forget, we were far more competitive last year. So how do you explain dropping like a friggin rock this year with a lot of the same players, if there's nothing wrong w him this year compared to any other year? Well, after he left Utah State, Matt Wells won 9 games, then 10 games, then 6, then 3, but now is at 3 wins so far this season and looking to be rebounding. Kind of like when Dan Hawkins left Boise State, maybe we find out the magic wasn't Andersen at Utah State. He is the first to admit he doesn't mess with that offense stuff. USU went 4-8 twice under Andersen until 2011 when Matt Wells came over at QB coach and running game coordinator. They win 7 games with Chuckie Keaton. Then in 2012 Wells is made OC and they win 11 games with Chuckie. Anderson left for Wisconsin and Utah State kept on winning until they finally had a massive roster turn over and had a rebuilding season. At Wisconsin, Andersen was Head Coach in name only. He was handed a massive offensive line and a future first round running back in Melvin Gordon that he ran 30 times a game. That is how he won games. Nothing at Wisconsin was "him" and if we all recall, that is why he left. He was being shadow coached by Alvarez. So, I believe it. I believe Andersen is a con. A complete con. I can see that Matt Wells was the mojo at Utah State that won him games. I can see that Andersen was just holding down the fort on a well established program that was already loaded. Hell, I would go as far as to say it was Andersen's tinkering at QB that HELD BACK Wisconsin and kept them out of 11 win seasons. I mean, REALLY take a look at what he did. was it really Anderpants that build Utah State? Is it coincidence they broke through when Matt Wells came over? |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 13:04:31 GMT -8
So is Alvarez available? Ha ha
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 13:12:31 GMT -8
So is Alvarez available? Ha ha we laugh, but hey... in a league dominated by spread option offenses, building a power running pro team back up may not be a terrible strategy. It has been working pretty well for Stanford. Maybe we need a coach that doesn't think we have too many offensive linemen first... |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 13:17:44 GMT -8
So is Alvarez available? Ha ha we laugh, but hey... in a league dominated by spread option offenses, building a power running pro team back up may not be a terrible strategy. It has been working pretty well for Stanford. Maybe we need a coach that doesn't think we have too many offensive linemen first... I've advocated this for years. |
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Post by sagebrush on Oct 1, 2017 13:27:04 GMT -8
You can NEVER have too many offensive linemen. Unless, they are mediocre at best in the classroom and the film room. OL, on what they have to do, both quickly and on the fly, have to be the smartest players on the team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 1, 2017 13:30:40 GMT -8
we laugh, but hey... in a league dominated by spread option offenses, building a power running pro team back up may not be a terrible strategy. It has been working pretty well for Stanford. Maybe we need a coach that doesn't think we have too many offensive linemen first... I've advocated this for years. such a move makes a ton of sense, it would allow you to control the play clock and shorten the game. I know the argument is that its hard to get enough quality lineman but I'm not buying it. You can get a bunch of 2 and 3 star lineman and turn them into quality run blockers, quality pass blocking is what is hard to get. Couple it with a package of screens and a play action intermediate to deep passing game and you have an offense that OSU can consistently recruit too. If you happen to get a mobile QB you can easily include option concepts within the offense as well. I think defensively they need to go to a 3-3-5 stack defense which emphasizes smaller and quicker players (again, you can find these guys in the 3 star variety) and de-emphasizes dominate defensive lineman (especially tackles) something that is hard to recruit (and are 4/5 star guys. |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 1, 2017 13:39:34 GMT -8
No. He's simply not the right guy for OSU. Probably not the right guy anywhere, just got lucky at USU one year because a QB played out of his head, and took over a good situation in Wisky. He's a decent man, I'm sure very frustrated by what is going on, and hopefully the problems he himself has created, but questioning his physical or mental health? Cmon. Well, we're running out of logical explanations and reasoning. When that is exhausted, then what? An Island. Surrounded by an ocean. Big ocean. Big Water. |
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Post by treasurevalleybeav on Oct 1, 2017 19:50:50 GMT -8
Let's just hope by the time this awful year is done, the right decisions/firings happen
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 1, 2017 20:08:57 GMT -8
Matt Wells won 9 games, then 10 games, then 6, then 3
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So, the guy who takes over at USU can't win as many games games as Andersen won in his final season FOUR SEASONS IN A ROW. In his fourth season, when the majority of the players on the team are those he recruited, he wins a grand total of THREE games, or eight less than Andersen did in his final year there, there, yet Wells was the real reason for USU's success?
Sometimes you make good points. This was not one of them.
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Post by beaverstever on Oct 1, 2017 20:36:30 GMT -8
I'm just worried he's caught the same disease a LaVonda Wagner. I'm starting to see some similar symptoms.
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