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Post by beaverstever on Oct 1, 2017 20:40:30 GMT -8
I've advocated this for years. such a move makes a ton of sense, it would allow you to control the play clock and shorten the game. I know the argument is that its hard to get enough quality lineman but I'm not buying it. You can get a bunch of 2 and 3 star lineman and turn them into quality run blockers, quality pass blocking is what is hard to get. Couple it with a package of screens and a play action intermediate to deep passing game and you have an offense that OSU can consistently recruit too. If you happen to get a mobile QB you can easily include option concepts within the offense as well. I think defensively they need to go to a 3-3-5 stack defense which emphasizes smaller and quicker players (again, you can find these guys in the 3 star variety) and de-emphasizes dominate defensive lineman (especially tackles) something that is hard to recruit (and are 4/5 star guys. Hey, I got an idea - lets try the triple option! Nobody is practiced defending that these days ... /s
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 1, 2017 20:43:58 GMT -8
When it works it's a thing of beauty! When it doesn't? Well, it doesn't.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 2, 2017 6:54:39 GMT -8
When it works it's a thing of beauty! When it doesn't? Well, it doesn't. The thing with any offense, is you cannot paint yourself in a corner ever. You have to be able to respond when the game script flips on you. Hard to come roaring back on a 4th quarter comeback with your 5 yards a play triple option attack. Unless you are extremely good at what you do, being one dimensional is a terrible idea. We saw it with Mannion. Despite having one of the best QBs in the league, heck in the Nation, we struggled to win games because we made it really easy on the defense. That and our defense started going downhill again.
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 2, 2017 10:30:00 GMT -8
I didn't see much triple option - what I saw was a running quarterback doing a lot of passing; the coaches seem determined to pretend that Luton is in there. DG should have run the ball a lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 10:34:33 GMT -8
I didn't see much triple option - what I saw was a running quarterback doing a lot of passing; the coaches seem determined to pretend that Luton is in there. DG should have run the ball a lot more. I don't think the beavs are trying to run the triple option. That's where the quarterback is under center and pivots around faking handoffs like a whirling dervish.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 2, 2017 11:14:20 GMT -8
I didn't see much triple option - what I saw was a running quarterback doing a lot of passing; the coaches seem determined to pretend that Luton is in there. DG should have run the ball a lot more. I don't think the beavs are trying to run the triple option. That's where the quarterback is under center and pivots around faking handoffs like a whirling dervish. The triple option is any primary running scheme were there are 3 (or more) potential ball carriers. two RBs and the QB in the minimum. The Wishbone is a version of the triple option so is the Veer, so is the I-formation veer. The triple option MOSTLY (but not always) has the paradigm of using a FB as the first option, then progressing the play to either hand off or pitch to a halfback or tailback (or WR on a sweep, etc) at any option the QB could keep it and run himself. generally two read decision points on any running play. give or keep to FB, give or keep to TB. that is it in a nutshell. In a read option, it is almost always a single read, give to the RB or keep. the newish wrinkle is the RPO which is the fad of the day. run-pass option became a thing when the NCAA changed its rules to allow lineman up to 3 yards downfield. This gives you a significantly longer window of time to show, or fake run and still make a pass.
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Post by obf on Oct 2, 2017 11:25:20 GMT -8
I don't think the beavs are trying to run the triple option. That's where the quarterback is under center and pivots around faking handoffs like a whirling dervish. The triple option is any primary running scheme were there are 3 (or more) potential ball carriers. two RBs and the QB in the minimum. The Wishbone is a version of the triple option so is the Veer, so is the I-formation veer. The triple option MOSTLY (but not always) has the paradigm of using a FB as the first option, then progressing the play to either hand off or pitch to a halfback or tailback (or WR on a sweep, etc) at any option the QB could keep it and run himself. generally two read decision points on any running play. give or keep to FB, give or keep to TB. that is it in a nutshell. In a read option, it is almost always a single read, give to the RB or keep. the newish wrinkle is the RPO which is the fad of the day. run-pass option became a thing when the NCAA changed its rules to allow lineman up to 3 yards downfield. This gives you a significantly longer window of time to show, or fake run and still make a pass. I prefer, and we seem to have the most success, when the fly sweep is also incorporated into the read option, giving you that third running option and the RPO is still there giving 4 options. Of course since we seem to have success with it we run it only 2 or 3 times a game and ever since bradford fumbled against CSU NEVER actually use the fly sweep so the coaches have successfully eliminated that as an option in the defenses minds... Maybe we are concerned the sweeper will get tired?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 11:28:43 GMT -8
The triple option is any primary running scheme were there are 3 (or more) potential ball carriers. two RBs and the QB in the minimum. The Wishbone is a version of the triple option so is the Veer, so is the I-formation veer. The triple option MOSTLY (but not always) has the paradigm of using a FB as the first option, then progressing the play to either hand off or pitch to a halfback or tailback (or WR on a sweep, etc) at any option the QB could keep it and run himself. generally two read decision points on any running play. give or keep to FB, give or keep to TB. that is it in a nutshell. In a read option, it is almost always a single read, give to the RB or keep. the newish wrinkle is the RPO which is the fad of the day. run-pass option became a thing when the NCAA changed its rules to allow lineman up to 3 yards downfield. This gives you a significantly longer window of time to show, or fake run and still make a pass. I prefer, and we seem to have the most success, when the fly sweep is also incorporated into the read option, giving you that third running option and the RPO is still there giving 4 options. Of course since we seem to have success with it we run it only 2 or 3 times a game and ever since bradford fumbled against CSU NEVER actually use the fly sweep so the coaches have successfully eliminated that as an option in the defenses minds... Maybe we are concerned the sweeper will get tired? James Rodgers running the fly sweep again and again in the Nut Bowl. Maryland fans still seeing that in their nightmares.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 2, 2017 11:36:36 GMT -8
I prefer, and we seem to have the most success, when the fly sweep is also incorporated into the read option, giving you that third running option and the RPO is still there giving 4 options. Of course since we seem to have success with it we run it only 2 or 3 times a game and ever since bradford fumbled against CSU NEVER actually use the fly sweep so the coaches have successfully eliminated that as an option in the defenses minds... Maybe we are concerned the sweeper will get tired? James Rodgers running the fly sweep again and again in the Nut Bowl. Maryland fans still seeing that in their nightmares. so are the Huskies (3 carries for 110 yards...) and We hit Arizona with the fly sweep 10 times in 2008, for 102 yards. Of course we also can't forget the 2009 Civil war winner on the fly sweep.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 2, 2017 12:01:18 GMT -8
When it works it's a thing of beauty! When it doesn't? Well, it doesn't. The thing with any offense, is you cannot paint yourself in a corner ever. You have to be able to respond when the game script flips on you. Hard to come roaring back on a 4th quarter comeback with your 5 yards a play triple option attack. Unless you are extremely good at what you do, being one dimensional is a terrible idea. We saw it with Mannion. Despite having one of the best QBs in the league, heck in the Nation, we struggled to win games because we made it really easy on the defense. That and our defense started going downhill again. I never said we should be running it, or that it was without limitations. Only that when it works it's a thing of beauty, which it is.
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Post by green85 on Oct 2, 2017 12:06:14 GMT -8
James Rodgers running the fly sweep again and again in the Nut Bowl. Maryland fans still seeing that in their nightmares. so are the Huskies (3 carries for 110 yards...) and We hit Arizona with the fly sweep 10 times in 2008, for 102 yards. Of course we also can't forget the 2009 Civil war winner on the fly sweep. 2007 Civil War
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Post by beavadelic on Oct 2, 2017 12:07:01 GMT -8
I'm just worried he's caught the same disease a LaVonda Wagner. I'm starting to see some similar symptoms. Ouch! Let's hope not...at least I sure hope that there will be more than 3 players left on the roster when we bring in his successor!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2017 12:27:37 GMT -8
I'm just worried he's caught the same disease a LaVonda Wagner. I'm starting to see some similar symptoms. Ouch! Let's hope not...at least I sure hope that there will be more than 3 players left on the roster when we bring in his successor! nobody says Pat Casey is easy to play for. But you win and you win. Because the man is demanding.
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