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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 11:26:23 GMT -8
You forgot the team GPA, which isn't a small thing, since, after all, these are student-athletes and OSU is an educational institution. Jimbo... you are correct on the importance of GPA, Preparing our student athletes after sports & teaching them the values of out reach and volunteering. All valuable stuff but WINS & LOSSES are what any coach is judged on unless a huge scandal. I went to Ireland & nothing has changed. A bad product in year 3 regardless. Coach A would even say so. Should have stayed in Dublin drinking Jameson You are looking from a fan's perspective. Look from President Rey's perspective. Of course, a winning team is what he wants as well. But he also wants a team that stays out of the (legal) news and does well academically. We don't have the winning tradition of big name schools so another losing year is nothing to be afraid of in the long run, if we believe that we are on the right track. And Pres. Rey has more information (one would assume) as to the progress of CGA's rebuild. Last, it's President Rey's job to paint a pretty picture on everything OSU. Fans are reactive and impatient. We want to win and we want to win now. But the president of the university has to have the long-term plan. In the end, it's his call, not ours. So while we can debate forever about whether he should be fired or not, it is meaningless. Not only can we not do anything about it, we don't have all the facts, insight, or even the correct perspective to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 11:32:33 GMT -8
You forgot the team GPA, which isn't a small thing, since, after all, these are student-athletes and OSU is an educational institution. That's funny! Oh, you were serious. Never mind. Do you think I care if our team has a 3.0 or not? Not at all. But to the people who run the university it matters. And based upon my experience in the working world, if you are pleasing the bossman, then you don't have to worry about being fired. So I think the financial cost of firing CGA is less of a reason to keep him around than what he has done with team gpa. At least, for another year or two.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 8, 2017 12:32:31 GMT -8
I'm gonna have to agree that having the players getting good GPAs is probably THE saving grace for CGA.
If the team were struggling off the field, it would be a mystery how he could keep his job after this season.
If we're to judge him based on how he's handled the on-field stuff - totally fired.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 8, 2017 12:58:44 GMT -8
That's funny! Oh, you were serious. Never mind. Do you think I care if our team has a 3.0 or not? Not at all. But to the people who run the university it matters. And based upon my experience in the working world, if you are pleasing the bossman, then you don't have to worry about being fired. So I think the financial cost of firing CGA is less of a reason to keep him around than what he has done with team gpa. At least, for another year or two. Yeah, I was just being a smart ass. There are actually people that are very invested in that. They usually are associated with losing teams, except for Stanford modern version. Let's talk engineering schools if we really care about students academics.
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Post by thetruebeav on Oct 8, 2017 13:30:27 GMT -8
Jimbo... you are correct on the importance of GPA, Preparing our student athletes after sports & teaching them the values of out reach and volunteering. All valuable stuff but WINS & LOSSES are what any coach is judged on unless a huge scandal. I went to Ireland & nothing has changed. A bad product in year 3 regardless. Coach A would even say so. Should have stayed in Dublin drinking Jameson You are looking from a fan's perspective. Look from President Rey's perspective. Of course, a winning team is what he wants as well. But he also wants a team that stays out of the (legal) news and does well academically. We don't have the winning tradition of big name schools so another losing year is nothing to be afraid of in the long run, if we believe that we are on the right track. And Pres. Rey has more information (one would assume) as to the progress of CGA's rebuild. Last, it's President Rey's job to paint a pretty picture on everything OSU. Fans are reactive and impatient. We want to win and we want to win now. But the president of the university has to have the long-term plan. In the end, it's his call, not ours. So while we can debate forever about whether he should be fired or not, it is meaningless. Not only can we not do anything about it, we don't have all the facts, insight, or even the correct perspective to do so. Jimbo... this isn't the Ivy League this is power 5 conference team. You are right that Dr. R has the final call but truly if academics were the biggest factor then the landscape of football would be completely changed. Wins, bodies in seats, being competitive etc play a huge roll. I've said he should be judged at seasons end. That's a full body of work. I also again would state that even our head coach would say we are underperforming.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 8, 2017 13:51:41 GMT -8
I'd say GAG agrees... although not sure how to take his comment...
Clownzano: I told Andersen after the game, "You need to find a QB."
He shot back: "We need a lot of things right now."
So, people think another recruiting class by a coach whose had 2+ already and gives these remarks to a reporter is really the answer?
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Post by thetruebeav on Oct 8, 2017 14:02:53 GMT -8
I'd say GAG agrees... although not sure how to take his comment... Clownzano: I told Andersen after the game, "You need to find a QB." He shot back: "We need a lot of things right now." So, people think another recruiting class by a coach whose had 2+ already and gives these remarks to a reporter is really the answer? And just by the numbers (small class) how many will be players that can help change what is looking to a very, very hard season next yr?!? This will come then from developing players that are all ready in the system. I'm also not saying anything bad about our current recruiting class other then state it will be a smaller group by the numbers. There could be some stars or role players. Time will tell how well they do. Also, look at most recruiting classes and it's rare to have a HUGE impact the next yr as development & getting used to the speed & strength is enormous from HS 2 College. Junior college kids have similar issues as we have seen in the past. If we judge now.... we are losing in the "big boy fight"
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 8, 2017 14:29:43 GMT -8
Throwing this out there now
Ohio State 127 - Oregon State 13
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 8, 2017 14:43:59 GMT -8
I'd say GAG agrees... although not sure how to take his comment... Clownzano: I told Andersen after the game, "You need to find a QB." He shot back: "We need a lot of things right now." So, people think another recruiting class by a coach whose had 2+ already and gives these remarks to a reporter is really the answer? Clownzano is such a weak, dim bulb he will probably never pursue a line of questioning detailing the success of qb's that he couldn't keep at OSU for whatever reason.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2017 14:45:40 GMT -8
You are looking from a fan's perspective. Look from President Rey's perspective. Of course, a winning team is what he wants as well. But he also wants a team that stays out of the (legal) news and does well academically. We don't have the winning tradition of big name schools so another losing year is nothing to be afraid of in the long run, if we believe that we are on the right track. And Pres. Rey has more information (one would assume) as to the progress of CGA's rebuild. Last, it's President Rey's job to paint a pretty picture on everything OSU. Fans are reactive and impatient. We want to win and we want to win now. But the president of the university has to have the long-term plan. In the end, it's his call, not ours. So while we can debate forever about whether he should be fired or not, it is meaningless. Not only can we not do anything about it, we don't have all the facts, insight, or even the correct perspective to do so. Jimbo... this isn't the Ivy League this is power 5 conference team. You are right that Dr. R has the final call but truly if academics were the biggest factor then the landscape of football would be completely changed. Wins, bodies in seats, being competitive etc play a huge roll. I've said he should be judged at seasons end. That's a full body of work. I also again would state that even our head coach would say we are underperforming. I like that you are willing to give him until the end of the season. Many on this board are done with him without seeing what happens with the rest of the year, but I don't think they represent the average Beaver fan.
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Post by zebraworks on Oct 8, 2017 15:29:18 GMT -8
from day 1 under GA you could tell they had zero clue about running a competitive offense and GA himself even says publicly he doesn't... you would have thought that in this much time he'd actually find a legitimate OC to do what he can't do, but instead he sticks with the clown show and some of the players see it first hand and leave. If anyone on this staff thought that DG was a decent QB they are not qualified to be a OC or coach in pac12.
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Post by kersting13 on Oct 8, 2017 19:32:53 GMT -8
from day 1 under GA you could tell they had zero clue about running a competitive offense and GA himself even says publicly he doesn't... you would have thought that in this much time he'd actually find a legitimate OC to do what he can't do, but instead he sticks with the clown show and some of the players see it first hand and leave. If anyone on this staff thought that DG was a decent QB they are not qualified to be a OC or coach in pac12. If??? They moved Collins back to WR specifically because they thought DG was a better QB. They started DG over 3M for the first 6 games of the season because they thought the QB with the worst passer rating in the nation was better than 3M. They put DG in a competition with 3M this fall that DG apparently won in the pre-season. The only conclusion to make knowing those three things is that the entire f%#*ing staff is full of people who are not qualified to coach in the Pac-12. SaveSave
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Post by nforkbeav on Oct 8, 2017 20:35:15 GMT -8
Throwing this out there now Ohio State 127 - Oregon State 13 If there's a time to play tOSU it's early. I'm guessing you were thinking along the same lines based on your conservative point differential prediction.
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