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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 29, 2017 16:13:56 GMT -8
There is such a difference between being an interim coach for two games and building, running and sustaining a program that thinking Hall is already prepared to take on a full time position at this level is quite a reach.
That's about all I can say. I'd love to see a whole group of coaches at OSU with his enthusiasm, I'd like to see him stick around as a member of th he next coaching staff, doesn't make him THE choice for the head coaching job unless he brings as much to the plate as the other candidates.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 16:17:23 GMT -8
Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate. ================================== He loves San Diego,and has no interest in the job? I would be VERY surprised to see him move on from SDSU. But you never know... |
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 17:06:19 GMT -8
Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate. ================================== He loves San Diego,and has no interest in the job? I would be VERY surprised to see him move on from SDSU. But you never know... I wouldn’t either but I do know Rocky likes the Willamette valley |
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Post by rockybeav on Oct 29, 2017 17:12:22 GMT -8
Barnes isn’t going to hire a 67 year old Mountain West coach. It’s the biggest hire of Barnes entire career. Not saying he won’t screw it up, but he will be judicious in his decision making.
I like Rocky, but we need to go in a different direction. Assuming he would even want the job.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 17:24:07 GMT -8
Barnes isn’t going to hire a 67 year old Mountain West coach. It’s the biggest hire of Barnes entire career. Not saying he won’t screw it up, but he will be judicious in his decision making. I like Rocky, but we need to go in a different direction. Assuming he would even want the job. Didnt he hire Stallings at Pitt basketball? I guess not as high profile is this hire but Pitt fans were not enamore? I don’t think it’s Long either but I would support the move |
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 17:59:32 GMT -8
AD basically already answered both questions... Stated he would not speak about potential candidates. Yet, spoke to Hall's situation as something similar to 'he's the right guy for the situation now'. Also said he never hamstrings HC about who they hire as assts. So, to my total relief, again my interpretation of Admin "speak", Hall not a candidate and will not be a hire the admin makes for the new HC. Agreed but if your the new guy, don’t you do what you can to keep Hall? Of course there’s many factors between here and there some professional some personal but Hall on board makes the program better in 2018 IMHo My intention was never a forced hire but all involved seeing the value Hall May feel spited and then it’s all for not either way I've posted on this topic too many times as its in multiple threads, but... Long story, short. I think Hall is a better liaison between staffs than Brennan was. So, if the new HC hire sees Hall has great relationships with players that don't undermine a new staff AND he's made great contacts in recruiting, you'd think he'd be a great transition guy to keep. But, I also know some coaches want a completely clean slate and no ties to the former regime. Never understood that philosphy, but it happens. I do not know Cory Hall, but I'm betting he knows he was never in line for this opening. I'd also bet that Barnes made that somewhat, if not overtly, clear when he went to him to take over as interim. I like the way Coach Hall had handled himself, and I believe his enthusiasm for the kids is genuine. I also believe this opportunity has never been about him. He's doing what he thinks is best for the players... not OSU or himself... the kids. |
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Post by usmc1958 on Oct 29, 2017 20:39:49 GMT -8
Agreed but if your the new guy, don’t you do what you can to keep Hall? Of course there’s many factors between here and there some professional some personal but Hall on board makes the program better in 2018 IMHo My intention was never a forced hire but all involved seeing the value Hall May feel spited and then it’s all for not either way I've posted on this topic too many times as its in multiple threads, but... Long story, short. I think Hall is a better liaison between staffs than Brennan was. So, if the new HC hire sees Hall has great relationships with players that don't undermine a new staff AND he's made great contacts in recruiting, you'd think he'd be a great transition guy to keep. But, I also know some coaches want a completely clean slate and no ties to the former regime. Never understood that philosphy, but it happens. I do not know Cory Hall, but I'm betting he knows he was never in line for this opening. I'd also bet that Barnes made that somewhat, if not overtly, clear when he went to him to take over as interim. I like the way Coach Hall had handled himself, and I believe his enthusiasm for the kids is genuine. I also believe this opportunity has never been about him. He's doing what he thinks is best for the players... not OSU or himself... the kids. There is another possibility that I don't think has been considered or maybe it isn't even worth a thought. If Hall continues to shine for the remaining games could he not be considered as a candidate for a job at another school, possibly even in the Pac-12. If the Beavs do not respect his contribution maybe another school takes notice and offers him a considerable increase and opportunity for advancement. I'm thinking Stanford or UCLA. Could happen. The man is getting noticed. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 29, 2017 21:41:24 GMT -8
I've posted on this topic too many times as its in multiple threads, but... Long story, short. I think Hall is a better liaison between staffs than Brennan was. So, if the new HC hire sees Hall has great relationships with players that don't undermine a new staff AND he's made great contacts in recruiting, you'd think he'd be a great transition guy to keep. But, I also know some coaches want a completely clean slate and no ties to the former regime. Never understood that philosphy, but it happens. I do not know Cory Hall, but I'm betting he knows he was never in line for this opening. I'd also bet that Barnes made that somewhat, if not overtly, clear when he went to him to take over as interim. I like the way Coach Hall had handled himself, and I believe his enthusiasm for the kids is genuine. I also believe this opportunity has never been about him. He's doing what he thinks is best for the players... not OSU or himself... the kids. There is another possibility that I don't think has been considered or maybe it isn't even worth a thought. If Hall continues to shine for the remaining games could he not be considered as a candidate for a job at another school, possibly even in the Pac-12. If the Beavs do not respect his contribution maybe another school takes notice and offers him a considerable increase and opportunity for advancement. I'm thinking Stanford or UCLA. Could happen. The man is getting noticed. Based upon what I have seen so far, if any Pac-12 team hires Hall, great news for Oregon State! Chalk up one beatable team in conference. Hall is a better head coach than Andersen, but that is a low bar. Give us a big fat W to talk about Hall! Until then, my money is still on the Don't Pass Line. Also, this Rocky Long nonsense. Bill Snyder is still coaching at 78. JoePa coached until he was 84, 17 years Rocky Long's senior. Short term, my eye! If Long's the best candidate and wants the job, he should get it. I would remind the board that turning Long down for the job based upon age is illegal. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Oct 29, 2017 22:12:54 GMT -8
There is another possibility that I don't think has been considered or maybe it isn't even worth a thought. If Hall continues to shine for the remaining games could he not be considered as a candidate for a job at another school, possibly even in the Pac-12. If the Beavs do not respect his contribution maybe another school takes notice and offers him a considerable increase and opportunity for advancement. I'm thinking Stanford or UCLA. Could happen. The man is getting noticed. Based upon what I have seen so far, if any Pac-12 team hires Hall, great news for Oregon State! Chalk up one beatable team in conference. Hall is a better head coach than Andersen, but that is a low bar. Give us a big fat W to talk about Hall! Until then, my money is still on the Don't Pass Line. Also, this Rocky Long nonsense. Bill Snyder is still coaching at 78. JoePa coached until he was 84, 17 years Rocky Long's senior. Short term, my eye! If Long's the best candidate and wants the job, he should get it. I would remind the board that turning Long down for the job based upon age is illegal.Ha Ha - do not disagree, but anyone over the age of 50 knows that it is pervasive, and hard to prove and enforce. There are a myriad of reasons companies/ schools, etc. give for not taking a serious look at a candidate based on age. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 10:41:56 GMT -8
Based upon what I have seen so far, if any Pac-12 team hires Hall, great news for Oregon State! Chalk up one beatable team in conference. Hall is a better head coach than Andersen, but that is a low bar. Give us a big fat W to talk about Hall! Until then, my money is still on the Don't Pass Line. Also, this Rocky Long nonsense. Bill Snyder is still coaching at 78. JoePa coached until he was 84, 17 years Rocky Long's senior. Short term, my eye! If Long's the best candidate and wants the job, he should get it. I would remind the board that turning Long down for the job based upon age is illegal.I'm not on the hiring committee, I can discriminate based on age. That said, Long wouldn't be on my list if he were 45. The only candidate I would even consider with a defensive background is Hall and that's only because I am getting a preview of what he might do with the program. Any outside candidate for me needs to have a background on the offensive side of the ball. |
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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 30, 2017 10:52:26 GMT -8
JoePa coached until he was 84, That's about the best argument AGAINST hiring an elderly coach anyone could make.
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Post by nexus73 on Oct 30, 2017 10:53:06 GMT -8
"I'll take 'Enthusiastic Black Coaches for $200 Alex!'". Hey, it was enough to get Oregon off the mat and so far so good for OSU showing up to play.
Rick
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Post by usmc1958 on Oct 30, 2017 11:04:03 GMT -8
JoePa coached until he was 84, That's about the best argument AGAINST hiring an elderly coach anyone could make.
A pitcher is worth a gazillion words. Great retort. Not funny, but great |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 11:19:44 GMT -8
<0% if he loses to üø. >0% if he beats üø. My opinion. For what it’s worth. His odds are no better than 50-50 on the very high side. Probably, realistically, about a 10% chance. I think Hall gets the nod ONLY if a select handful of targets turn Barnes down. Hall, in my opinion, is cemented as plan B. (well, probably plan E or so...) I believe Barnes has a primary target, and then one or two alternates. If he strikes out, he knows he has Hall to fall back on. Barnes is kind of in a win-win. Either he gets his guy or he gets a guy that is suddenly a fan and player favorite and sees what happens with a low risk contract. I THINK (with no general info other than hot takes and rumors) Barnes short list is, in no particular order: Ken Niumatalolo Jeff Tedford Beau Baldwin Troy Calhoun Mike Norvell I think Hall is in 5th place if he strikes out on these guys. Nobody on that list is a sure bet wants to come to OSU. I know Tedford wanted the OSU job at one point, but that was when he wasn't a coach... who knows now. Norvell will get looks, I dunno that Calhoun is a great fit with style. Baldwin is appealing as a flyer candidate and I doubt Niumatalolo leaves Navy. He turned down BYU two seasons ago. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 11:23:11 GMT -8
Agreed but if your the new guy, don’t you do what you can to keep Hall? Of course there’s many factors between here and there some professional some personal but Hall on board makes the program better in 2018 IMHo My intention was never a forced hire but all involved seeing the value Hall May feel spited and then it’s all for not either way I've posted on this topic too many times as its in multiple threads, but... Long story, short. I think Hall is a better liaison between staffs than Brennan was. So, if the new HC hire sees Hall has great relationships with players that don't undermine a new staff AND he's made great contacts in recruiting, you'd think he'd be a great transition guy to keep. But, I also know some coaches want a completely clean slate and no ties to the former regime. Never understood that philosphy, but it happens. I do not know Cory Hall, but I'm betting he knows he was never in line for this opening. I'd also bet that Barnes made that somewhat, if not overtly, clear when he went to him to take over as interim. I like the way Coach Hall had handled himself, and I believe his enthusiasm for the kids is genuine. I also believe this opportunity has never been about him. He's doing what he thinks is best for the players... not OSU or himself... the kids. Brennan was likely kept because he is actually a damn good WR coach... that and GA probably actually didn't have a "guy" targeted there so this was the , sure why not? hire. that helped him with the lay of the land when he walked in. I agree about Hall. He knows is not a realistically likely candidate, and the dude is simply just trying to win a game with what he has. He knows he will land on his feet somewhere, somehow. |
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