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Post by Werebeaver on Oct 29, 2017 11:03:10 GMT -8
<0% if he loses to üø. >0% if he beats üø.
My opinion. For what it’s worth.
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Post by EOBeav on Oct 29, 2017 13:08:28 GMT -8
<0% if he loses to üø. >0% if he beats üø. My opinion. For what it’s worth. You're probably not wrong.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 13:31:01 GMT -8
No chance but an Associate head coach, coordinator (or coach in waiting) for say, Rocky Long or similar makes sense for everybody.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 13:36:06 GMT -8
No chance but an Associate head coach, coordinator (or coach in waiting) for say, Rocky Long or similar makes sense for everybody. No, no it doesn't. Unless "making sense" means you plan to make an absolutely terrible hire (Long would be terrible) or you plan to force a coach on a good hire (and any good hire wouldn't accept being forced to keep Hall so we are back to a terrible hire). If Hall remains on staff it has to be because the new coach wants him there not because he is told that Hall must be kept. If you are that committed to Hall, give him the job and give him a big budget to surround himself with great coordinators.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 13:47:58 GMT -8
No chance but an Associate head coach, coordinator (or coach in waiting) for say, Rocky Long or similar makes sense for everybody. No, no it doesn't. Unless "making sense" means you plan to make an absolutely terrible hire (Long would be terrible) or you plan to force a coach on a good hire (and any good hire wouldn't accept being forced to keep Hall so we are back to a terrible hire). If Hall remains on staff it has to be because the new coach wants him there not because he is told that Hall must be kept. If you are that committed to Hall, give him the job and give him a big budget to surround himself with great coordinators. First Long would not be a bad hire. System guy OS roots Experience Has built programs Affordable Recruiting experience and ties to SoCal our most important recruiting area What would be “bad”? Doesn’t fit your model? Seriously present a decision making matrix to support your statement. Second, yes the new hire would need to be on board, a good hire would certainly see Halls talent and dedication and look to keep him. His value is apparent. Established Professional coaching options will see that and make best decisions for the program.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 29, 2017 14:02:58 GMT -8
AD basically already answered both questions...
Stated he would not speak about potential candidates. Yet, spoke to Hall's situation as something similar to 'he's the right guy for the situation now'.
Also said he never hamstrings HC about who they hire as assts.
So, to my total relief, again my interpretation of Admin "speak", Hall not a candidate and will not be a hire the admin makes for the new HC.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 14:11:07 GMT -8
AD basically already answered both questions... Stated he would not speak about potential candidates. Yet, spoke to Hall's situation as something similar to 'he's the right guy for the situation now'. Also said he never hamstrings HC about who they hire as assts. So, to my total relief, again my interpretation of Admin "speak", Hall not a candidate and will not be a hire the admin makes for the new HC. Agreed but if your the new guy, don’t you do what you can to keep Hall? Of course there’s many factors between here and there some professional some personal but Hall on board makes the program better in 2018 IMHo My intention was never a forced hire but all involved seeing the value Hall May feel spited and then it’s all for not either way
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 14:17:42 GMT -8
No, no it doesn't. Unless "making sense" means you plan to make an absolutely terrible hire (Long would be terrible) or you plan to force a coach on a good hire (and any good hire wouldn't accept being forced to keep Hall so we are back to a terrible hire). If Hall remains on staff it has to be because the new coach wants him there not because he is told that Hall must be kept. If you are that committed to Hall, give him the job and give him a big budget to surround himself with great coordinators. First Long would not be a bad hire. System guy OS roots Experience Has built programs Affordable Recruiting experience and ties to SoCal our most important recruiting area What would be “bad”? Doesn’t fit your model? Seriously present a decision making matrix to support your statement. Second, yes the new hire would need to be on board, a good hire would certainly see Halls talent and dedication and look to keep him. His value is apparent. Established Professional coaching options will see that and make best decisions for the program. I simply disagree, if Long is even on the list of candidates I'd be disappointed. Very disappointed. A good hire 'could' see Hall's value, he also 'could' think others make more sense for what he wants to do. Any HC should get to make that call. If you believe in Hall enough to make keeping him part of the discussion with a HC candidate frankly just make Hall the HC.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 14:28:51 GMT -8
First Long would not be a bad hire. System guy OS roots Experience Has built programs Affordable Recruiting experience and ties to SoCal our most important recruiting area What would be “bad”? Doesn’t fit your model? Seriously present a decision making matrix to support your statement. Second, yes the new hire would need to be on board, a good hire would certainly see Halls talent and dedication and look to keep him. His value is apparent. Established Professional coaching options will see that and make best decisions for the program. I simply disagree, if Long is even on the list of candidates I'd be disappointed. Very disappointed. A good hire 'could' see Hall's value, he also 'could' think others make more sense for what he wants to do. Any HC should get to make that call. If you believe in Hall enough to make keeping him part of the discussion with a HC candidate frankly just make Hall the HC. Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate. In the case of Hall which is unique, I certainly would question a coach that lets him go. We may never know the details of how they don’t come together but that would be a first red flag to me. I also read tea leaves to think Hall knows where he stands. I think you will be disappointed in the next hire but not knowing your criteria makes it hard to tell.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 14:49:37 GMT -8
I simply disagree, if Long is even on the list of candidates I'd be disappointed. Very disappointed. A good hire 'could' see Hall's value, he also 'could' think others make more sense for what he wants to do. Any HC should get to make that call. If you believe in Hall enough to make keeping him part of the discussion with a HC candidate frankly just make Hall the HC. Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate. In the case of Hall which is unique, I certainly would question a coach that lets him go. We may never know the details of how they don’t come together but that would be a first red flag to me. I also read tea leaves to think Hall knows where he stands. I think you will be disappointed in the next hire but not knowing your criteria makes it hard to tell. Simple, I don't want a short term hire. I also prefer HC's with offensive backgrounds. You are right I probably will be disappointed by whoever they hire just as I was when Andersen got the job. I wanted Beau Baldwin then and he'd still be my choice now. My expectation is that they end up going after someone with P5 HC experience like they did with Andersen and it fails miserably yet again.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 15:04:20 GMT -8
Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate. In the case of Hall which is unique, I certainly would question a coach that lets him go. We may never know the details of how they don’t come together but that would be a first red flag to me. I also read tea leaves to think Hall knows where he stands. I think you will be disappointed in the next hire but not knowing your criteria makes it hard to tell. Simple, I don't want a short term hire. I also prefer HC's with offensive backgrounds. You are right I probably will be disappointed by whoever they hire just as I was when Andersen got the job. I wanted Beau Baldwin then and he'd still be my choice now. My expectation is that they end up going after someone with P5 HC experience like they did with Andersen and it fails miserably yet again. Cool Andersen really had short term P5 experience and certainly didn’t fit my criteria. Only thing I did like was his commitment to JC recruiting, which is a necessary evil in Corvallis Baldwin I can support. Is he long term if he wins? He is a northwest guy which is good imho. There’s other boxes he doesn’t fit for me though. I think big time connections in Cali are paramount in the short term. Have to recruit quickly to turn this around.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 29, 2017 15:40:43 GMT -8
A major element that many are missing or ignoring here is that new head coaches rarely, very rarely keep anyone from the old staff. They have a book of "their guys" and the interview process is typically a joke. I was surprised Brennan was retained. Cal got the lion's share of their staff from Oregon and Taggert didn't even talk to the old coaches.
As for the stupid "coach in waiting", that was popular for about 15 minutes and ultimately failed widely. I think Jimbo Fisher might be the only one that came to fruition, and he's not looking so good right now either!
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 29, 2017 15:53:28 GMT -8
A major element that many are missing or ignoring here is that new head coaches rarely, very rarely keep anyone from the old staff. They have a book of "their guys" and the interview process is typically a joke. I was surprised Brennan was retained. Cal got the lion's share of their staff from Oregon and Taggert didn't even talk to the old coaches. As for the stupid "coach in waiting", that was popular for about 15 minutes and ultimately failed widely. I think Jimbo Fisher might be the only one that came to fruition, and he's not looking so good right now either! From the outside he’s not the obvious choice for even interim coach. However here we are.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 29, 2017 16:03:55 GMT -8
Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate.
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He loves San Diego,and has no interest in the job?
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Oct 29, 2017 16:05:26 GMT -8
Please share that decision making matrix that makes Rocky not a candidate. ================================== He loves San Diego,and has no interest in the job? Tedford made his team look like a high school team last week.
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