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Post by orangeattack on Oct 29, 2017 20:45:10 GMT -8
Florida or Tennessee?
Chip at Florida would give the SEC fits.
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 29, 2017 20:50:08 GMT -8
Florida or Tennessee? Chip at Florida would give the SEC fits. Like he did with the $ucks? #exposed The SEC is the last place he should want to set up camp at. |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 29, 2017 20:55:46 GMT -8
Florida or Tennessee? Chip at Florida would give the SEC fits. Like he did with the $ucks? #exposed The SEC is the last place he should want to set up camp at. lol Kelly is a good coach. His style didn't resonate well at the pro level with his approach to the game but put him back in college and he will wreck things again, you watch. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 29, 2017 20:58:21 GMT -8
Like he did with the $ucks? #exposed The SEC is the last place he should want to set up camp at. lol Kelly is a good coach. His style didn't resonate well at the pro level with his approach to the game but put him back in college and he will wreck things again, you watch. Zero doubt he's a good coach. He's a great coach. But the facts are that SEC front 7's neutralized his offense, even with the remarkable Mariota. That's all. Zero disrespect intended, unless we're talking about his ill fitting suit on tv! |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 30, 2017 4:44:30 GMT -8
lol Kelly is a good coach. His style didn't resonate well at the pro level with his approach to the game but put him back in college and he will wreck things again, you watch. Zero doubt he's a good coach. He's a great coach. But the facts are that SEC front 7's neutralized his offense, even with the remarkable Mariota. That's all. Zero disrespect intended, unless we're talking about his ill fitting suit on tv! I tend to agree with you. Even the rare occasion he played good Ds in the Pac 12 his offense struggled. Not that I disagree with OA, Chip Kelly is a great college coach, but the SEC is not a good spot for Kelly.
Even as down as it is, the SEC has bigger, faster defenders, they just grow 'em that way in the south. And the success of his offense will still be premised on keeping his QB upright.
If its one or the other, Florida is the better fit. Tennessee is an awful fit. But I would not want to go coach in the SEC. It churns and burns coaches not named Saban. Even the ones that have success want out. It's the south, it's rabid fans who expect championships yesterday, it's rabid donors and boosters who expect the same. He's an outsider, not only a former "soft" Pac 12 coach, but a northerner to boot.
UCLA would be a better fit for him if he wants a high profile gig. ASU too but I think Graham keeps his job. The Big 10, Pac 10, even the ACC, which extends along the entire east coast. Chip Kelly in the SEC? Why would he want that?
Now, watch him be announced as head coach at Florida tomorrow.
BTW, for those here who say he has no personality. He's awesome on the set (forget what network he's on) discussing football. He simply gives no Fs about gladhanding people who feel they have to be close to the program. Unfortunately for him, that's an expectation at big schools.
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 6:59:57 GMT -8
Zero doubt he's a good coach. He's a great coach. But the facts are that SEC front 7's neutralized his offense, even with the remarkable Mariota. That's all. Zero disrespect intended, unless we're talking about his ill fitting suit on tv! I tend to agree with you. Even the rare occasion he played good Ds in the Pac 12 his offense struggled. Not that I disagree with OA, Chip Kelly is a great college coach, but the SEC is not a good spot for Kelly.
Even as down as it is, the SEC has bigger, faster defenders, they just grow 'em that way in the south. And the success of his offense will still be premised on keeping his QB upright.
If its one or the other, Florida is the better fit. Tennessee is an awful fit. But I would not want to go coach in the SEC. It churns and burns coaches not named Saban. Even the ones that have success want out. It's the south, it's rabid fans who expect championships yesterday, it's rabid donors and boosters who expect the same. He's an outsider, not only a former "soft" Pac 12 coach, but a northerner to boot.
UCLA would be a better fit for him if he wants a high profile gig. ASU too but I think Graham keeps his job. The Big 10, Pac 10, even the ACC, which extends along the entire east coast. Chip Kelly in the SEC? Why would he want that?
Now, watch him be announced as head coach at Florida tomorrow.
BTW, for those here who say he has no personality. He's awesome on the set (forget what network he's on) discussing football. He simply gives no Fs about gladhanding people who feel they have to be close to the program. Unfortunately for him, that's an expectation at big schools.
Neither school has much of the correct elements in place to effectively run a Chip Kelly hurry up read option. But if he went to Florida, Del Rio can have the pleasure of twice losing his job to incoming coaches installing spread offenses... |
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Post by RenoBeaver on Oct 30, 2017 7:23:44 GMT -8
I tend to agree with you. Even the rare occasion he played good Ds in the Pac 12 his offense struggled. Not that I disagree with OA, Chip Kelly is a great college coach, but the SEC is not a good spot for Kelly.
Even as down as it is, the SEC has bigger, faster defenders, they just grow 'em that way in the south. And the success of his offense will still be premised on keeping his QB upright.
If its one or the other, Florida is the better fit. Tennessee is an awful fit. But I would not want to go coach in the SEC. It churns and burns coaches not named Saban. Even the ones that have success want out. It's the south, it's rabid fans who expect championships yesterday, it's rabid donors and boosters who expect the same. He's an outsider, not only a former "soft" Pac 12 coach, but a northerner to boot.
UCLA would be a better fit for him if he wants a high profile gig. ASU too but I think Graham keeps his job. The Big 10, Pac 10, even the ACC, which extends along the entire east coast. Chip Kelly in the SEC? Why would he want that?
Now, watch him be announced as head coach at Florida tomorrow.
BTW, for those here who say he has no personality. He's awesome on the set (forget what network he's on) discussing football. He simply gives no Fs about gladhanding people who feel they have to be close to the program. Unfortunately for him, that's an expectation at big schools.
Neither school has much of the correct elements in place to effectively run a Chip Kelly hurry up read option. But if he went to Florida, El Dio can have the pleasure of twice losing his job to incoming coaches installing spread offenses... Technically, he had already lost the job once there. He started the season as their 3rd String QB. But he was showing promise after winning it back.
You are right though, he's starting from scratch at both schools. Oregon was an easy transition compared to those schools since he was already OC.
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Post by mbabeav on Oct 30, 2017 9:21:52 GMT -8
My bet is that the Chipster would have a top 10 team and a challenge for the SEC title his 3rd year in. He'd adjust, and with the different recruit base and type of players he would have, it would be an interesting process to follow, if I cared about the SEC, that is.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Oct 30, 2017 9:22:05 GMT -8
Kelly would be a perfect fit for the SEC. He already has major NCAA violations on his resume.
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 30, 2017 10:32:43 GMT -8
Zero doubt he's a good coach. He's a great coach. But the facts are that SEC front 7's neutralized his offense, even with the remarkable Mariota. That's all. Zero disrespect intended, unless we're talking about his ill fitting suit on tv! I tend to agree with you. Even the rare occasion he played good Ds in the Pac 12 his offense struggled. Not that I disagree with OA, Chip Kelly is a great college coach, but the SEC is not a good spot for Kelly.
Even as down as it is, the SEC has bigger, faster defenders, they just grow 'em that way in the south. And the success of his offense will still be premised on keeping his QB upright.
If its one or the other, Florida is the better fit. Tennessee is an awful fit. But I would not want to go coach in the SEC. It churns and burns coaches not named Saban. Even the ones that have success want out. It's the south, it's rabid fans who expect championships yesterday, it's rabid donors and boosters who expect the same. He's an outsider, not only a former "soft" Pac 12 coach, but a northerner to boot.
UCLA would be a better fit for him if he wants a high profile gig. ASU too but I think Graham keeps his job. The Big 10, Pac 10, even the ACC, which extends along the entire east coast. Chip Kelly in the SEC? Why would he want that?
Now, watch him be announced as head coach at Florida tomorrow.
BTW, for those here who say he has no personality. He's awesome on the set (forget what network he's on) discussing football. He simply gives no Fs about gladhanding people who feel they have to be close to the program. Unfortunately for him, that's an expectation at big schools.
His offense would hammer most SEC defenses. Elite defenses stymie all offenses not just Kelly’s We seem to think the elite SEC teams represent the norm whereas other conferences for some reason don’t get the same pass....I give you Vanderbilt for example |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 11:27:21 GMT -8
My bet is that the Chipster would have a top 10 team and a challenge for the SEC title his 3rd year in. He'd adjust, and with the different recruit base and type of players he would have, it would be an interesting process to follow, if I cared about the SEC, that is. I'd agree. We all assume he just walk in and install his hyper fast, ultra simple read option offense and that would be that... Kelly is an X and O master. He did what he did at Oregon because it gave him strategic advantages. His offense changed over time as well, particularly when he landed a once in a lifetime talent in Mariota. Will Kelly still use tempo? undoubtedly. It is a weapon. Will everything be exactly the same? probably not. Most of the college landscape is using elements he was a principle figure in introducing the college landscape. He'd put a twist on everything. Lord knows, he has had time to think about it! |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 30, 2017 13:36:59 GMT -8
I tend to agree with you. Even the rare occasion he played good Ds in the Pac 12 his offense struggled. Not that I disagree with OA, Chip Kelly is a great college coach, but the SEC is not a good spot for Kelly.
Even as down as it is, the SEC has bigger, faster defenders, they just grow 'em that way in the south. And the success of his offense will still be premised on keeping his QB upright.
If its one or the other, Florida is the better fit. Tennessee is an awful fit. But I would not want to go coach in the SEC. It churns and burns coaches not named Saban. Even the ones that have success want out. It's the south, it's rabid fans who expect championships yesterday, it's rabid donors and boosters who expect the same. He's an outsider, not only a former "soft" Pac 12 coach, but a northerner to boot.
UCLA would be a better fit for him if he wants a high profile gig. ASU too but I think Graham keeps his job. The Big 10, Pac 10, even the ACC, which extends along the entire east coast. Chip Kelly in the SEC? Why would he want that?
Now, watch him be announced as head coach at Florida tomorrow.
BTW, for those here who say he has no personality. He's awesome on the set (forget what network he's on) discussing football. He simply gives no Fs about gladhanding people who feel they have to be close to the program. Unfortunately for him, that's an expectation at big schools.
His offense would hammer most SEC defenses. Elite defenses stymie all offenses not just Kelly’sWe seem to think the elite SEC teams represent the norm whereas other conferences for some reason don’t get the same pass....I give you Vanderbilt for example this a million times, but to that end - the way to defeat the spread option is to have DL that the OL can't block hat-on-hat. Hence my repeated stated concerns with Gary coming in and announcing he would be installing a spread option type of offense.. we don't get OL that win mano y mano battles. The success we have had has come from scheme, not winning the head to head battles in the trenches (Exhibit A, Mike Remmers and Quizz vs USC) |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 13:46:01 GMT -8
His offense would hammer most SEC defenses. Elite defenses stymie all offenses not just Kelly’sWe seem to think the elite SEC teams represent the norm whereas other conferences for some reason don’t get the same pass....I give you Vanderbilt for example this a million times, but to that end - the way to defeat the spread option is to have DL that the OL can't block hat-on-hat. Hence my repeated stated concerns with Gary coming in and announcing he would be installing a spread option type of offense.. we don't get OL that win mano y mano battles. The success we have had has come from scheme, not winning the head to head battles in the trenches (Exhibit A, Mike Remmers and Quizz vs USC) Mike Remmers carving out a career as a tackle in the NFL is still something I cannot explain... Outside of a highlight game or two in his career... we was a holding machine, a turnstile on the edge and MISTER captain false start in the flesh. But hey, whatta I know? not much it seems. |
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Post by orangeattack on Oct 30, 2017 14:24:31 GMT -8
this a million times, but to that end - the way to defeat the spread option is to have DL that the OL can't block hat-on-hat. Hence my repeated stated concerns with Gary coming in and announcing he would be installing a spread option type of offense.. we don't get OL that win mano y mano battles. The success we have had has come from scheme, not winning the head to head battles in the trenches (Exhibit A, Mike Remmers and Quizz vs USC) Mike Remmers carving out a career as a tackle in the NFL is still something I cannot explain... Outside of a highlight game or two in his career... we was a holding machine, a turnstile on the edge and MISTER captain false start in the flesh. But hey, whatta I know? not much it seems. Perfect example of a guy who was a late, late bloomer. Great frame, light in the butt and light on football IQ as a prep. Filled out that frame and got some quality coaching. I think Remmers alone practically made Cav's reputation at Oregon State. |
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Post by justdamwin on Oct 30, 2017 14:32:03 GMT -8
His offense would hammer most SEC defenses. Elite defenses stymie all offenses not just Kelly’sWe seem to think the elite SEC teams represent the norm whereas other conferences for some reason don’t get the same pass....I give you Vanderbilt for example this a million times, but to that end - the way to defeat the spread option is to have DL that the OL can't block hat-on-hat. Hence my repeated stated concerns with Gary coming in and announcing he would be installing a spread option type of offense.. we don't get OL that win mano y mano battles. The success we have had has come from scheme, not winning the head to head battles in the trenches (Exhibit A, Mike Remmers and Quizz vs USC) Actually Kelly’s offense doesn’t go hat on hat or at least the zone read. Leave a guy unblocked. That’s who you read. Not always the backside defender. This allows an olinan to get to the second level. Eliminating a pursuer and creating longer running play. What slow the offense is when the defense has discipline to not over pursue when unblocked. However this slows a pass rush In fact leave their best lineman unblocked and read him. Also since it’s zome blocking the online can take the defender where he wants to go. The offensive line doesn’t have to outmatch the Dline head up |
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