BeaverNut23
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Post by BeaverNut23 on Oct 30, 2017 10:45:16 GMT -8
Cory hall has landed two commits with the help of ishia smalls the TE commit. That’s good right? After all I remember some of you guys saying Cory needs to get recruits to make a impact for his case at headcoach.
So since he has gotten some recruits already, what do you all think? Is Cory hall worthy to still be a good 2-4 year head coach for Oregon State?
For me I wanna say Cory Hall is possibly could be a good head coach for Oregon State, I love how he has made the entire team competitive again, I love the energy he brings, but I’m not sure if he can make the Beavs a winning team or be the guy to have the Beavs beat the ducks for atlest 3-4 Years straight, out his short term contract.
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Post by shelby on Oct 30, 2017 12:15:48 GMT -8
My interest in him is increasing Day by day. He is young, legitimate and focused on the kids having fun and playing all out,
After the Stanford game, a bummer for sure, I re- rated the co-ordinators as much improved defensively - but offensively, the play calling was not sterling. There were one or two decisions that would have delivered the win. Went way too conservative on a couple of 4th and one's.
However, I am blaming that on the OC and play calling.
I think, right now, Coach Hall is making $275K.
What if we brought him up to about $700K as the D.C., with a fast track development program as a future HC. Why?1) We want to keep him , 2) If we get a name 'climber', for a HC - we can be sure they will bolt in a couple of years for another gig 3) We would then have a proven , plug and play solution that would be positive for both parties.
4) Recruiting may, in fact, be a strength of Hall's. He is doing it under the worst possible conditions.
5) Although he has not won( YET ), the very rapid improvement ( with less than stellar Coordinators ), shows an amazing ability to rally players and fans behind him.
Yeah, we have more time and need more evidence, but, a lot of people - including the players, are VERY impressed. Football is definitely the toughest sport to coach - if you just look at managing an 85 person squad and then optimizing each position. My vote is for a two phase plan, with a significant bump in pay and responsibility for Coach Hall.
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 30, 2017 12:22:21 GMT -8
My interest in him is increasing Day by day. He is young, legitimate and focused on the kids having fun and playing all out, After the Stanford game, a bummer for sure, I re- rated the co-ordinators as much improved defensively - but offensively, the play calling was not sterling. There were one or two decisions that would have delivered the win. Went way too conservative on a couple of 4th and one's. However, I am blaming that on the OC and play calling. I think, right now, Coach Hall is making $275K. What if we brought him up to about $700K as the D.C., with a fast track development program as a future HC. Why?1) We want to keep him , 2) If we get a name 'climber', for a HC - we can be sure they will bolt in a couple of years for another gig 3) We would then have a proven , plug and play solution that would be positive for both parties. 4) Recruiting may, in fact, be a strength of Hall's. He is doing it under the worst possible conditions. 5) Although he has not won( YET ), the very rapid improvement ( with less than stellar Coordinators ), shows an amazing ability to rally players and fans behind him. Yeah, we have more time and need more evidence, but, a lot of people - including the players, are VERY impressed. Football is definitely the toughest sport to coach - if you just look at managing an 85 person squad and then optimizing each position. My vote is for a two phase plan, with a significant bump in pay and responsibility for Coach Hall. Except the AD already nixed your plan... he doesn't hire or hamstring the hiring of the new HC's staff. So, Hall would have to be the choice of whoever is hired. |
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Post by orangethunder on Oct 30, 2017 12:31:07 GMT -8
My interest in him is increasing Day by day. He is young, legitimate and focused on the kids having fun and playing all out, After the Stanford game, a bummer for sure, I re- rated the co-ordinators as much improved defensively - but offensively, the play calling was not sterling. There were one or two decisions that would have delivered the win. Went way too conservative on a couple of 4th and one's. However, I am blaming that on the OC and play calling. I think, right now, Coach Hall is making $275K. What if we brought him up to about $700K as the D.C., with a fast track development program as a future HC. Why?1) We want to keep him , 2) If we get a name 'climber', for a HC - we can be sure they will bolt in a couple of years for another gig 3) We would then have a proven , plug and play solution that would be positive for both parties. 4) Recruiting may, in fact, be a strength of Hall's. He is doing it under the worst possible conditions. 5) Although he has not won( YET ), the very rapid improvement ( with less than stellar Coordinators ), shows an amazing ability to rally players and fans behind him. Yeah, we have more time and need more evidence, but, a lot of people - including the players, are VERY impressed. Football is definitely the toughest sport to coach - if you just look at managing an 85 person squad and then optimizing each position. My vote is for a two phase plan, with a significant bump in pay and responsibility for Coach Hall. Except the AD already nixed your plan... he doesn't hire or hamstring the hiring of the new HC's staff. So, Hall would have to be the choice of whoever is hired. |
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Post by orangethunder on Oct 30, 2017 12:33:22 GMT -8
Get off it already . The AD has NOT ruled out Hall . What have you got against him that you keep using this argument . If Hall is not being considered , we should all be very disappointed . If he isn't chosen, ok ...but I think your reaching not having him in the running
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Post by baseba1111 on Oct 30, 2017 13:25:43 GMT -8
Get off it already . The AD has NOT ruled out Hall . What have you got against him that you keep using this argument . If Hall is not being considered , we should all be very disappointed . If he isn't chosen, ok ...but I think your reaching not having him in the running Read DA... concerning the post of mine you quoted, or attempted to quote... Barnes said almost exactly that about the HC and his hiring. And... if you can read Barnes also mentioned Hall as the guy for this "situation". And also added he would make no comment on candidates, but did comment on Hall's status. As in said in another post... it is MY interpretation. To have his resume (no disrespect to Hall as the person) as a viable candidate would be a true sign of this programs demise. No idea how he would do, but NO other D1/P5 program interviews him for a HC job. And, we ALL should/would not be disappointed. That statement is the real "reach". |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 30, 2017 13:35:27 GMT -8
Get off it already . The AD has NOT ruled out Hall . What have you got against him that you keep using this argument . If Hall is not being considered , we should all be very disappointed . If he isn't chosen, ok ...but I think your reaching not having him in the running Read DA... concerning the post of mine you quoted, or attempted to quote... Barnes said almost exactly that about the HC and his hiring. And... if you can read Barnes also mentioned Hall as the guy for this "situation". And also added he would make no comment on candidates, but did comment on Hall's status. As in said in another post... it is MY interpretation. To have his resume (no disrespect to Hall as the person) as a viable candidate would be a true sign of this programs demise. No idea how he would do, but NO other D1/P5 program interviews him for a HC job. And, we ALL should/would not be disappointed. That statement is the real "reach". I must say that I am starting to come around on Hall as head coach. If he can out-recruit Riley and Andersen, that is huge. If he can keep the players motivated, that is huge. We do not need to out-think the other side, if we can out-talent and out-hustle the other side. (As much as I would like to see a real cerebral offense and defense.) I still think that the offense and defense both need to be scrapped and rebuilt, though. If he is the guy to lay a great foundation for both in the next two years and then recruit up talent to run both, that would be great. There is getting to be a lot of "ifs" there, though. I will just hope that Barnesy is going to hit a home run no matter who he selects. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 13:40:18 GMT -8
Get off it already . The AD has NOT ruled out Hall . What have you got against him that you keep using this argument . If Hall is not being considered , we should all be very disappointed . If he isn't chosen, ok ...but I think your reaching not having him in the running That's not what he said. Barnes said that he would not direct a potential new head coach what if any staff to retain. No decent AD would either. It just doesn't work that way. These head coaches have their list of people to tap when they get a new gig. Very few even talk to the existing staff. My friend played DE at Whoregon, and he's remained friends with line coach Greatwood. He was told that Taggart never even contacted any of the in-place staff. That's the norm according to all I read. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Oct 30, 2017 13:41:49 GMT -8
Get off it already . The AD has NOT ruled out Hall . What have you got against him that you keep using this argument . If Hall is not being considered , we should all be very disappointed . If he isn't chosen, ok ...but I think your reaching not having him in the running Read DA... concerning the post of mine you quoted, or attempted to quote... Barnes said almost exactly that about the HC and his hiring. And... if you can read Barnes also mentioned Hall as the guy for this "situation". And also added he would make no comment on candidates, but did comment on Hall's status. As in said in another post... it is MY interpretation. To have his resume (no disrespect to Hall as the person) as a viable candidate would be a true sign of this programs demise. No idea how he would do, but NO other D1/P5 program interviews him for a HC job. And, we ALL should/would not be disappointed. That statement is the real "reach". You are right that no D-1 coach would of even interviewed Hall for a HC spot after this season if CGA stayed. But we now have a new situation. a live audition for 6 Pac-12 games. That does change the lay of the land. He has a resume that wouldn't get past HR screening, but he has a live trial performance that is getting attention. I completely agree he is an under-experienced HC and a HUGE gamble. But I also believe the door is not shut on him entirely, and it wouldn't be the absolute end of the world if he stayed on. His performance over the last 4 here will matter. If we are in competitive, down the the fourth quarter games against Cal, Zona, ASU and Oregon... He has done as well, or better than most other coaches would do in this situation. Pluck ANY guy that is a current D-1 coach and drop them in Hall situation and shoes, and you have only a few that would of done better. In my opinion. That live action demonstration carries weight over a resume. With just a resume, you don't know and you can dismiss him. With half a season as interim... not just a bowl game, not just a game or two at the end, but a half of a season... you can really build a true sense of how the guy is going to be. He is providing what his previous resume lacks... Real world D-1 head coaching experience. So far, so good. Heck... He is better than our last $2.45 million dollar coach. he has coached two games so far and they have been better than all of about 2 or 3 of any game CGA called. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 13:54:52 GMT -8
Read DA... concerning the post of mine you quoted, or attempted to quote... Barnes said almost exactly that about the HC and his hiring. And... if you can read Barnes also mentioned Hall as the guy for this "situation". And also added he would make no comment on candidates, but did comment on Hall's status. As in said in another post... it is MY interpretation. To have his resume (no disrespect to Hall as the person) as a viable candidate would be a true sign of this programs demise. No idea how he would do, but NO other D1/P5 program interviews him for a HC job. And, we ALL should/would not be disappointed. That statement is the real "reach". You are right that no D-1 coach would of even interviewed Hall for a HC spot after this season if CGA stayed. But we now have a new situation. a live audition for 6 Pac-12 games. That does change the lay of the land. He has a resume that wouldn't get past HR screening, but he has a live trial performance that is getting attention. I completely agree he is an under-experienced HC and a HUGE gamble. But I also believe the door is not shut on him entirely, and it wouldn't be the absolute end of the world if he stayed on. His performance over the last 4 here will matter. If we are in competitive, down the the fourth quarter games against Cal, Zona, ASU and Oregon... He has done as well, or better than most other coaches would do in this situation. Pluck ANY guy that is a current D-1 coach and drop them in Hall situation and shoes, and you have only a few that would of done better. In my opinion. That live action demonstration carries weight over a resume. With just a resume, you don't know and you can dismiss him. With half a season as interim... not just a bowl game, not just a game or two at the end, but a half of a season... you can really build a true sense of how the guy is going to be. He is providing what his previous resume lacks... Real world D-1 head coaching experience. So far, so good. Heck... He is better than our last $2.45 million dollar coach. he has coached two games so far and they have been better than all of about 2 or 3 of any game CGA called. This..... When Hall was named HC I never thought for a second I'd support him at anytime and I am still not there yet (I need to see a road win and I think I will be on board, 2 wins and more verbal commits and I am 100% on his side) but to ignore his actual performance over a half season because his resume isn't stellar is nonsense. |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Oct 30, 2017 14:06:16 GMT -8
Read DA... concerning the post of mine you quoted, or attempted to quote... Barnes said almost exactly that about the HC and his hiring. And... if you can read Barnes also mentioned Hall as the guy for this "situation". And also added he would make no comment on candidates, but did comment on Hall's status. As in said in another post... it is MY interpretation. To have his resume (no disrespect to Hall as the person) as a viable candidate would be a true sign of this programs demise. No idea how he would do, but NO other D1/P5 program interviews him for a HC job. And, we ALL should/would not be disappointed. That statement is the real "reach". You are right that no D-1 coach would of even interviewed Hall for a HC spot after this season if CGA stayed. But we now have a new situation. a live audition for 6 Pac-12 games. That does change the lay of the land. He has a resume that wouldn't get past HR screening, but he has a live trial performance that is getting attention. I completely agree he is an under-experienced HC and a HUGE gamble. But I also believe the door is not shut on him entirely, and it wouldn't be the absolute end of the world if he stayed on. His performance over the last 4 here will matter. If we are in competitive, down the the fourth quarter games against Cal, Zona, ASU and Oregon... He has done as well, or better than most other coaches would do in this situation. Pluck ANY guy that is a current D-1 coach and drop them in Hall situation and shoes, and you have only a few that would of done better. In my opinion. That live action demonstration carries weight over a resume. With just a resume, you don't know and you can dismiss him. With half a season as interim... not just a bowl game, not just a game or two at the end, but a half of a season... you can really build a true sense of how the guy is going to be. He is providing what his previous resume lacks... Real world D-1 head coaching experience. So far, so good. Heck... He is better than our last $2.45 million dollar coach. he has coached two games so far and they have been better than all of about 2 or 3 of any game CGA called. I reserve my right to rethink this, but 15 best-coached Oregon State games 2015-2017: 1. 2016 California. 47-44 Oregon State in overtime.
2. 2016 Arizona. 42-17 Oregon State.
3. 2017 Stanford. 15-14 Stanford.
4. 2016 Civil War. 34-24 Oregon State.
5. 2016 Men of Roses. 35-31 Washington State.
6. 2015 San Jose State. 35-21 Oregon State.
7. 2016 Idaho State. 37-7 Oregon State.
8. 2016 Minnesota. 30-23 Minnesota.
9. 2016 Stanford. 26-15 Stanford.
10. 2015 Weber State. 26-7 Oregon State.
11. 2015 Civil War. 52-42 Oregon.
12. 2015 Utah. 27-12 Utah.
13. 2016 UCLA. 38-24 UCLA.
14. 2017 Colorado. Colorado 36-33.
15. 2016 Utah. Utah 19-14.
Colorado made halftime adjustments. Oregon State did not. The Beavers had the Cardinal on the ropes until the bitter end. If Oregon State had played smarter on offense, the Beavers win going away against Stanford, which is infuriating. |
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Post by 2ndGenBeaver on Oct 30, 2017 14:57:33 GMT -8
I think Cory Hall has potential equivalent to Scott Rueck to really be a different maker for our program.
Others on this board might push back, claiming "wait, SR proved himself, albeit at the DIII level".
I would push back and claim Cory Hall has shown his ability to turnaround a situation - and that situation was right here and now at OSU.
Had Ryan Nall been able to hang onto the ball against Stanford, he would be looking very attractive right now.
He will get a shot at some up-and-coming program looking to energize its coaching. Were I at some mid-level school pondering a coaching change, his demeanor and energy on the sidelines of the Stanford game (up until the sad Nall play) would have sold me.
We should give him that shot, instead of waiting to find him again years from now when he is one of "rising stock" coaches.
I am not convinced finding some "name brand" coach whom we will have to lock down with a longer contract worth many millions is a better gamble than Cory Hall.
And name him soon so he can recruit even more effectively.
Go Beavers!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2017 18:53:27 GMT -8
Ignoring any hard coaching resume....I still admire what has happened. That looked to me to be a dumpster fire situation. Kudos for surprising the hell out of many people.
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