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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 6, 2017 17:38:27 GMT -8
No more, no less. Many here will disagree with me. So be it. A safe pick that would return us to where we were pre-Andersen. If that's what we're aiming for, swell. Back to square one.
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 6, 2017 20:05:09 GMT -8
No more, no less. Many here will disagree with me. So be it. A safe pick that would return us to where we were pre-Andersen. If that's what we're aiming for, swell. Back to square one. I'm not sure what's meant by "square one" and when you say "back to" it has a distinct negative tone to it. Whether that was your intent or not I don't know just pointing out how it comes across. Fact is, the worst of the 15 seasons prior to the GA era would be better than where we're at today. Stick that in the pot and let it simmer for a bit. I think you raise a point worth discussing, what should we realistically "aim" for? I realize asking for "realistic" goals on a message board from college football fans and expecting to get "realistic" answers is about as likely as getting a yes or no answer from an attorney who's on the clock. I think we can realistically expect to win 5-7 games consistently. 3 OOC and 2-4 conference games. More than 7 wins is possible with great coaching, BUT great coaching alone will not be enough. To get 8 or more wins we will need great coaching, good luck with injuries, a great system, a cycle of recruits fit for the system, some scheduling breaks(catch teams at the right time), and a few difference makers on both sides of the ball.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 6, 2017 20:42:24 GMT -8
No more, no less. Many here will disagree with me. So be it. A safe pick that would return us to where we were pre-Andersen. If that's what we're aiming for, swell. Back to square one. So, we'd get back to the best era of OSU football in the last 50 years. I'm in!!! SaveSave
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 6, 2017 21:14:19 GMT -8
No more, no less. Many here will disagree with me. So be it. A safe pick that would return us to where we were pre-Andersen. If that's what we're aiming for, swell. Back to square one. I'm not sure what's meant by "square one" and when you say "back to" it has a distinct negative tone to it. Whether that was your intent or not I don't know just pointing out how it comes across. Fact is, the worst of the 15 seasons prior to the GA era would be better than where we're at today. Stick that in the pot and let it simmer for a bit. I think you raise a point worth discussing, what should we realistically "aim" for? I realize asking for "realistic" goals on a message board from college football fans and expecting to get "realistic" answers is about as likely as getting a yes or no answer from an attorney who's on the clock. I think we can realistically expect to win 5-7 games consistently. 3 OOC and 2-4 conference games. More than 7 wins is possible with great coaching, BUT great coaching alone will not be enough. To get 8 or more wins we will need great coaching, good luck with injuries, a great system, a cycle of recruits fit for the system, some scheduling breaks(catch teams at the right time), and a few difference makers on both sides of the ball. It was really written to be aimed at the large number of vehemently anti-Riley crowd that suddenly is enamored with Tedford. I am a big Coach Riley supporter. Always have been. I just find it incredibly ironic that there are so many posters that wanted to do better than Riley that are pro Tedford. Same guy!
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 6, 2017 21:15:21 GMT -8
No more, no less. Many here will disagree with me. So be it. A safe pick that would return us to where we were pre-Andersen. If that's what we're aiming for, swell. Back to square one. So, we'd get back to the best era of OSU football in the last 50 years. I'm in!!! SaveSaveI agree, but also felt changes needed to be made. I believe all coaches "run their course" eventually.
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 6, 2017 21:41:06 GMT -8
I'm not sure what's meant by "square one" and when you say "back to" it has a distinct negative tone to it. Whether that was your intent or not I don't know just pointing out how it comes across. Fact is, the worst of the 15 seasons prior to the GA era would be better than where we're at today. Stick that in the pot and let it simmer for a bit. I think you raise a point worth discussing, what should we realistically "aim" for? I realize asking for "realistic" goals on a message board from college football fans and expecting to get "realistic" answers is about as likely as getting a yes or no answer from an attorney who's on the clock. I think we can realistically expect to win 5-7 games consistently. 3 OOC and 2-4 conference games. More than 7 wins is possible with great coaching, BUT great coaching alone will not be enough. To get 8 or more wins we will need great coaching, good luck with injuries, a great system, a cycle of recruits fit for the system, some scheduling breaks(catch teams at the right time), and a few difference makers on both sides of the ball. It was really written to be aimed at the large number of vehemently anti-Riley crowd that suddenly is enamored with Tedford. I am a big Coach Riley supporter. Always have been. I just find it incredibly ironic that there are so many posters that wanted to do better than Riley that are pro Tedford. Same guy! Ahhhh, got it and couldn't agree more. I also see lots of similarities, but there is one big difference too. OSU wasn't just a coaching job for MR, were/are a lot of history and ties to the community for him He had a passion and connection to wanting to make this program better and put everything he had into making that happen.
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 6, 2017 22:56:44 GMT -8
I'm not sure what's meant by "square one" and when you say "back to" it has a distinct negative tone to it. Whether that was your intent or not I don't know just pointing out how it comes across. Fact is, the worst of the 15 seasons prior to the GA era would be better than where we're at today. Stick that in the pot and let it simmer for a bit. I think you raise a point worth discussing, what should we realistically "aim" for? I realize asking for "realistic" goals on a message board from college football fans and expecting to get "realistic" answers is about as likely as getting a yes or no answer from an attorney who's on the clock. I think we can realistically expect to win 5-7 games consistently. 3 OOC and 2-4 conference games. More than 7 wins is possible with great coaching, BUT great coaching alone will not be enough. To get 8 or more wins we will need great coaching, good luck with injuries, a great system, a cycle of recruits fit for the system, some scheduling breaks(catch teams at the right time), and a few difference makers on both sides of the ball. It was really written to be aimed at the large number of vehemently anti-Riley crowd that suddenly is enamored with Tedford. I am a big Coach Riley supporter. Always have been. I just find it incredibly ironic that there are so many posters that wanted to do better than Riley that are pro Tedford. Same guy! Riley was 85-66 in 12 years (2nd tour) and Tedford was 82-56 in 11 years. Yes, same guy. However, Teford was able to recruit in his own back yard so based on that advantage MR.
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 6, 2017 23:09:44 GMT -8
It was really written to be aimed at the large number of vehemently anti-Riley crowd that suddenly is enamored with Tedford. I am a big Coach Riley supporter. Always have been. I just find it incredibly ironic that there are so many posters that wanted to do better than Riley that are pro Tedford. Same guy! Riley was 85-66 in 12 years (2nd tour) and Tedford was 82-56 in 11 years. Yes, same guy. However, Teford was able to recruit in his own back yard so based on that advantage MR. But, MR had a much easier time getting recruits into school vs the entrance at Cal most of JT's career. Hence, what could JT do here?
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Post by gnawitall on Nov 7, 2017 0:15:02 GMT -8
Riley was 85-66 in 12 years (2nd tour) and Tedford was 82-56 in 11 years. Yes, same guy. However, Teford was able to recruit in his own back yard so based on that advantage MR. But, MR had a much easier time getting recruits into school vs the entrance at Cal most of JT's career. Hence, what could JT do here? Good point...didn't consider that.
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Post by seastape on Nov 7, 2017 1:44:36 GMT -8
But, MR had a much easier time getting recruits into school vs the entrance at Cal most of JT's career. Hence, what could JT do here? I am not sure if that is accurate, baseball. It may be, but it may not. Cal has usually allowed athletes to enter into Cal if they can qualify to get into the UC system in general. The admission requirements for the UC system are shockingly low. In fact, in 2014, Cal implemented a policy that would, over the course of 3 years, require athletes to have a 3.0 GPA to get in...higher than many schools, but still not a ball-breaker like the bar Stanford sets. www.sfgate.com/collegesports/article/Cal-to-tighten-academic-standards-for-athletes-5874282.phpThat policy was implemented because Cal had the lowest graduation rates for football of every Power 5 conference program and its basketball program had the lowest graduation rates in the Pac 12. The point is, I don't know if the data collected from pre-2014 at Cal would reveal that Cal had such high admission standards. I tend to doubt it. Cal has had rumored academic scandals floating around for years. I never play the "I have insider knowledge" card except for this one topic, where I do have (outdated) insider knowledge: In the early 00's, several football players were having their academic work done for them, at least as far as papers being written. I know a person who tutored athletes at Cal during that time and that tutor told me this. That tutor is not the kind of person who cares about impressing/shocking people and told me about it in the context that the tutor was shocked at the short shrift athletes were getting from the perspective of their education. I have no problem believing that tutor. As it relates to Tedford, I don't' think he had too high of a bar set for him at Cal. I think it would be far more difficult for him to recruit at OSU than it was for him at Cal, at least while he was there.
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Post by kersting13 on Nov 7, 2017 9:15:18 GMT -8
So, we'd get back to the best era of OSU football in the last 50 years. I'm in!!! SaveSaveI agree, but also felt changes needed to be made. I believe all coaches "run their course" eventually. I wasn't intending to make this a question on whether MR "needed" to go, but more of a "can we reasonably expect to do better as a program when we are solidly in the bottom 1/4 of the conference in nearly all of the tangible, quantifiable measures that would lead to football success?" (i.e. budget, fan base, historical cachet, stadium size, etc)
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Post by beavadelic on Nov 7, 2017 11:21:32 GMT -8
So, we'd get back to the best era of OSU football in the last 50 years. I'm in!!! SaveSaveI agree, but also felt changes needed to be made. I believe all coaches "run their course" eventually. There are probably few fans not related to Mike Riley that esteem him as much as I do, but even I knew that change was needed, and was happy for him and cautiously optimistic about change here when he left for Nebraska. Most solid coaches are so largely because they know who they are, have a sound philosophy and system that they are known for, and are astute at bringing in talent that fits their schemes. They also coach their kids up...not satisfied just to get a good kid to their program, but also helping them get better (see NFL rosters and many former Beavs) The downside is that when you are entrenched in your system long enough, it’s extremely hard to change. The rest of the league adapted and we didn’t. This would have worked if Coach Riley was someplace where great talent begs you to find it worthy, but with our thin margin for error in Corvallis, change had to happen for us to keep up. His loyalty and strong convictions about the way he operates - both in football and in life - are incredible attributes everywhere but the business world, and college football is a business if ever there was one.
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