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Post by orangeattack on Nov 9, 2017 15:08:30 GMT -8
Agreed. My point was that you don't just rush into something with a coach because he looks good in stretch pants and wants to come to your room. That's how you wake up in a bathtub of ice without a kidney. I've got no problem with us hiring Les Miles as long as we do our research first. Should he be at the top of the list? Yes, absolutely. But you've gotta know what you're getting into. I have to believe that if we had taken our time hiring Gary Andersen, he'd have said or done something that would've made someone in the process say "yo.......I'm not so sure about this guys." Did we even interview another person? Check for references? Part of me wonders if Barry Alvarez gathers all his big donors and friends around the computer every December 10th and plays the audio tape of the glowing recommendation he gave Bobby D about Gary Andersen. Then they all have a big laugh and eat some brats. OSU was the sort of average looking, shy, computer nerd that somehow got invited to a big frat party. Everybody was partying and stuff and OSU was sort of just hanging out, trying to drink some crappy keystone light to look cool, but it tasted gross, and all he really wanted was a code red mountain dew, a bag of fritos and to play world of warcraft for the rest of the night. Then, some super hot girl comes strolling up. She is gorgeous and more importantly he is interested in OSU! OSU is so enamored with this unexpected attention, and the sheer hotness that they don't notice a couple of the cool frat guys in the background snickering at them. OSU talks, one thing leads to another and they head home together, for what they hope is going to be the time of their life! OSU then wakes up with a real bad headache, the hot chick is nowhere to be found, they are oddly sore and later find out they have herpes. this. is. f%#*ing. golde.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 9, 2017 15:11:04 GMT -8
I wouldn't necessarily say better, but certainly in the same zip code. Saban did inherit an 0-11 team, but that team was only one year removed from the Liberty Bowl. That team had also been to 7 bowls in the 12 years leading up to his tenure. Miles inherited a team that had been to one bowl game in the previous 12 years and along with his OC hire lead the turnaround of OSU, a school that has now been in a bowl 15 of the last 16 years. Is he in the same zip code as Mike Gundy? Well, he was smart enough to hire him. That's gotta count for something.
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Post by RenoBeaver on Nov 9, 2017 15:59:24 GMT -8
I also think Miles is completely defensive oriented. He had Gundy at OK state, Jimbo Fischer initially at LSU, then guys like Cameron, Crowton. Basically guys he could hand the offense off too. OK, hire Miles and now go get Beau Baldwin! What? Prior to becoming a head coach, Miles spent his entire football career, both as a player and a coach, on the offensive side of the ball. And that means what? Gary Andersen played center and started out as an offensive coach too. Point being, Les Miles has no offensive philosophy whatsoever, at least none that is clearly evident in not only the offenses he runs, but the offensive coordinators he hires. He surely doesn't call plays. So to your point, perhaps he is simply a manager in every sense of the word, relying on his coordinators.
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Post by bennyorange on Nov 9, 2017 16:15:19 GMT -8
Agreed. My point was that you don't just rush into something with a coach because he looks good in stretch pants and wants to come to your room. That's how you wake up in a bathtub of ice without a kidney. I've got no problem with us hiring Les Miles as long as we do our research first. Should he be at the top of the list? Yes, absolutely. But you've gotta know what you're getting into. I have to believe that if we had taken our time hiring Gary Andersen, he'd have said or done something that would've made someone in the process say "yo.......I'm not so sure about this guys." Did we even interview another person? Check for references? Part of me wonders if Barry Alvarez gathers all his big donors and friends around the computer every December 10th and plays the audio tape of the glowing recommendation he gave Bobby D about Gary Andersen. Then they all have a big laugh and eat some brats. OSU was the sort of average looking, shy, computer nerd that somehow got invited to a big frat party. Everybody was partying and stuff and OSU was sort of just hanging out, trying to drink some crappy keystone light to look cool, but it tasted gross, and all he really wanted was a code red mountain dew, a bag of fritos and to play world of warcraft for the rest of the night. Then, some super hot girl comes strolling up. She is gorgeous and more importantly he is interested in OSU! OSU is so enamored with this unexpected attention, and the sheer hotness that they don't notice a couple of the cool frat guys in the background snickering at them. OSU talks, one thing leads to another and they head home together, for what they hope is going to be the time of their life! OSU then wakes up with a real bad headache, the hot chick is nowhere to be found, they are oddly sore and later find out they have herpes. I was expecting a reference to the infamous Ned Beatty scene from Deliverance up until the last sentence
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Post by baseba1111 on Nov 9, 2017 16:47:43 GMT -8
What? Prior to becoming a head coach, Miles spent his entire football career, both as a player and a coach, on the offensive side of the ball. And that means what? Gary Andersen played center and started out as an offensive coach too. Point being, Les Miles has no offensive philosophy whatsoever, at least none that is clearly evident in not only the offenses he runs, but the offensive coordinators he hires. He surely doesn't call plays. So to your point, perhaps he is simply a manager in every sense of the word, relying on his coordinators. As do most over 50... you think Saban calls a D? Offensive play? Most make the game day decisions of... punt/go for it... timeouts... to take/ decline penalties... etc. It's the huge advantage a guy like Miles has... he can orchestrate a proven staff. This is what you get with an FCS guy... Since 2004, 18 FCS, Division II or high school head coaches have been hired as the head coach of an FBS program. At their previous stop, those coaches compiled a combined record of 744-347, with a winning percentage of .682. At their first FBS head coaching stop, that combined record dipped to 225-375 (.375) Vastly different worlds in the competition, coaching level of opponents, recruiting battles, AND hiring a effective staff.
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 9, 2017 16:51:37 GMT -8
Stop thinking like that. At the end of a long hard day pounding the slopes, if the hottest chick in the lodge wants you to take her home, you don't fumble around worrying about what she might do next week. You take one look at the curves under her tight sweater and stretch pants and go all in on tonight. We did that in 2014. The snow easy shot's name was Gary, and she got us all hot n' bothered, maxed our our credit cards, sent our kids to boarding schools in the South, brought in her kids from a previous marriage who weren't potty trained, bought us a wardrobe that didn't fit quite right, kept insisting that if we just trusted her we'd eventually be happy, then after making everyone miserable for a few years, texted the neighbor that this was our fault all along and walked out. At least she didn't take the bank account with her. Disagree. In 2014 we acted like a desperate child and jumped at the first doable chick that gave us a look out of fear of not doing any better. Lesson learned hopefully. If you're going to rush it, she better be the hottest chick around otherwise take your time. GA was not the metaphorically speaking, "hottest chick" around and many of us pointed it out at the time, but the "we can't do worse than Riley" crowd acted like desperate children and didn't listen. Well they found out that yes, you can do much much worse than Riley.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 9, 2017 18:09:19 GMT -8
We did that in 2014. The snow easy shot's name was Gary, and she got us all hot n' bothered, maxed our our credit cards, sent our kids to boarding schools in the South, brought in her kids from a previous marriage who weren't potty trained, bought us a wardrobe that didn't fit quite right, kept insisting that if we just trusted her we'd eventually be happy, then after making everyone miserable for a few years, texted the neighbor that this was our fault all along and walked out. At least she didn't take the bank account with her. Disagree. In 2014 we acted like a desperate child and jumped at the first doable chick that gave us a look out of fear of not doing any better. Lesson learned hopefully. If you're going to rush it, she better be the hottest chick around otherwise take your time. GA was not the metaphorically speaking, "hottest chick" around and many of us pointed it out at the time, but the "we can't do worse than Riley" crowd acted like desperate children and didn't listen. Well they found out that yes, you can do much much worse than Riley. I am the Charter Member of the Be Careful What You Wish For Club at beaverfootball.com (rip), but nobody was saying that CGA wasn't the hottest chick around. Everyone was pretty damn enthusiastic about the addition of Andersen. Myself included, I said this was a great hire. Atown does deserve credit for being the one to plop down at the metaphorical bar and say "guys... WHAT WAS THAT SHAT?" immediately after the spring game. Most of us were willing to give CGA a shot. I will say that for his part it does seem that baseba1111 hated him from very early on. You can spot good coaching - and most of us were kind of hoping for the best and waiting to see if things would come together. They didn't. I will say that we do all truly owe Gary one thing: He didn't "max our credit cards" in any way shape or form. He lost out on assistants he wanted to other Pac-12 schools. He had the 10th or 11th highest salary, and his staff was in the bottom 2 or 3 in the conference as well. And he waived his buyout. I mean yeah, he cost us more than Riley. But he hardly left us in bad shape financially, aside from the wreckage done to the program and associated revenues lol
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Post by nforkbeav on Nov 9, 2017 18:32:50 GMT -8
Disagree. In 2014 we acted like a desperate child and jumped at the first doable chick that gave us a look out of fear of not doing any better. Lesson learned hopefully. If you're going to rush it, she better be the hottest chick around otherwise take your time. GA was not the metaphorically speaking, "hottest chick" around and many of us pointed it out at the time, but the "we can't do worse than Riley" crowd acted like desperate children and didn't listen. Well they found out that yes, you can do much much worse than Riley. I am the Charter Member of the Be Careful What You Wish For Club at beaverfootball.com (rip), but nobody was saying that CGA wasn't the hottest chick around. Everyone was pretty damn enthusiastic about the addition of Andersen. Myself included, I said this was a great hire. Atown does deserve credit for being the one to plop down at the metaphorical bar and say "guys... WHAT WAS THAT SHAT?" immediately after the spring game. Most of us were willing to give CGA a shot. I will say that for his part it does seem that baseba1111 hated him from very early on. You can spot good coaching - and most of us were kind of hoping for the best and waiting to see if things would come together. They didn't. I will say that we do all truly owe Gary one thing: He didn't "max our credit cards" in any way shape or form. He lost out on assistants he wanted to other Pac-12 schools. He had the 10th or 11th highest salary, and his staff was in the bottom 2 or 3 in the conference as well. And he waived his buyout. I mean yeah, he cost us more than Riley. But he hardly left us in bad shape financially, aside from the wreckage done to the program and associated revenues lol You're probably right about there NOT being many vocal critics at the time. Along with baseball, maybe Kersting, and myself I don't recall who if any others were here/p.o.. I had several conversations with my Beaver buddies at the time who were all in your camp, excited as all get out for GA, and uncharacteristically I was the turd in their punch bowl. The way Wisky was absolutely destroyed by tOSU in their conference title game was a huge red flag for me. Wisky is dominant enough upfront and takes a ton of pride on the defensive side of the ball with very good talent, that an ok coach can win a lot of game there, but when you see a performance like that title game where coaching is on center stage(talent alone isn't getting you by) GA was handed his lunch and had NO answers at all. Wisky had plenty of talent of their own and got boat raced in that game. There was also the management of the final minutes of his loss at ASU the year before. Sure the refs may have blundered too, but it shouldn't have come down to them. The first thing I remember asking when his name was put out there was, why on earth is a guy leaving one of the top programs of the last 15-20 years to come to Oregon State? I realize this is a great place, but that was huge red flag there was something rotten in Denmark.
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Post by usmc1958 on Nov 9, 2017 20:20:19 GMT -8
OSU was the sort of average looking, shy, computer nerd that somehow got invited to a big frat party. Everybody was partying and stuff and OSU was sort of just hanging out, trying to drink some crappy keystone light to look cool, but it tasted gross, and all he really wanted was a code red mountain dew, a bag of fritos and to play world of warcraft for the rest of the night. Then, some super hot girl comes strolling up. She is gorgeous and more importantly he is interested in OSU! OSU is so enamored with this unexpected attention, and the sheer hotness that they don't notice a couple of the cool frat guys in the background snickering at them. OSU talks, one thing leads to another and they head home together, for what they hope is going to be the time of their life! OSU then wakes up with a real bad headache, the hot chick is nowhere to be found, they are oddly sore and later find out they have herpes. this. is. f%#*ing. golde. Kind of like Pot Head Willie (Nelson) said in song; At two I went to bed with a ten - At ten I woke up with a two.
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Post by usmc1958 on Nov 9, 2017 20:28:33 GMT -8
What? Prior to becoming a head coach, Miles spent his entire football career, both as a player and a coach, on the offensive side of the ball. And that means what? Gary Andersen played center and started out as an offensive coach too. Point being, Les Miles has no offensive philosophy whatsoever, at least none that is clearly evident in not only the offenses he runs, but the offensive coordinators he hires. He surely doesn't call plays. So to your point, perhaps he is simply a manager in every sense of the word, relying on his coordinators. Seems like I read something about L.Miles being an offensive lineman at Michigan. How large is this guy. He sure doesn't look like an OL. on TV. Even 25 years ago an OL was usually over 260 lbs.
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Post by seastape on Nov 9, 2017 22:15:57 GMT -8
And that means what? Gary Andersen played center and started out as an offensive coach too. Point being, Les Miles has no offensive philosophy whatsoever, at least none that is clearly evident in not only the offenses he runs, but the offensive coordinators he hires. He surely doesn't call plays. So to your point, perhaps he is simply a manager in every sense of the word, relying on his coordinators. Seems like I read something about L.Miles being an offensive lineman at Michigan. How large is this guy. He sure doesn't look like an OL. on TV. Even 25 years ago an OL was usually over 260 lbs. He lettered at Michigan in '74 and '75. The average rookie NFL lineman weighed ~260 in 1975. Today it is closer to 310.
deadspin.com/chart-the-average-weight-of-nfl-rookies-by-position-a-1490494148
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