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Post by orangeattack on Nov 8, 2017 11:32:16 GMT -8
Can we revoke the privileges of anyone who thought Gary Andersen was a "home run hire" from commenting on who our next coach should be? I actually liked the CGA hire quite a bit, liked Sitake (although I was hoping for Aranda) and liked the Baldwin hire too. But then he started talking about how they were going to run a spread option offense and I was like "wait, hold up.. I'm not sure this is a good idea.." Ultimately that decision is what cost CGA the Oregon State job, if you ask me. All the other stuff is amplified or related to that bad decision.
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Post by Judge Smails on Nov 8, 2017 11:35:52 GMT -8
Agree wholeheartedly. If Les Miles wants to come here, then lets get him. He's got an NC ring, his teams were often in contention for the SEC title, and he took Oklahoma State to respectability. His defenses were terrifying and most of his offenses were decent in a very tough conference. I don't get the knock on him. At all.
Its about understanding that past success doesn't guarantee future success. There is a reason that eventually every coach drops off. Things change, they change. Maybe Miles isn't at that stage (although his last few seasons at LSU gave at least the appearance of a drop off). Bobby Bowden coached till he was 80 but his last 8-9 years were not as good as previous years. He retires and FSU was instantly better (maybe they'd have been as good with him but we don't know). Lou Holtz was great at Arkansas and Notre Dame but average (2 Bowls in 6 years) at South Carolina. At some point a coach isn't the same guy they were at an earlier point of their career. Miles may not be at that point but I think some of you need to pump the brakes and at least take a second to think about the possibility that he is. Lou Holtz sucked at South Carolina because none of his players could understand what he was saying.
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 11:39:53 GMT -8
Can we revoke the privileges of anyone who thought Gary Andersen was a "home run hire" from commenting on who our next coach should be? I thought he was a home run hire... right up until I watched the spring game. I was immediately worried and it got worse from there quickly. Can I still comment? I really want to...
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 11:44:17 GMT -8
It would be one thing if this were a total rebuild job. It's not in spite what the record says. The pieces necessary to win 6-8 games next year are here with the right coach. There would be instant buy in from the players with Miles and the importance of that to a quick turnaround can not be overstated. I believe Les Miles could come in and Dennis Erickson the s%#t out of this team and make it win a surprising amount of games next year.
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Post by orangeattack on Nov 8, 2017 12:10:12 GMT -8
It would be one thing if this were a total rebuild job. It's not in spite what the record says. The pieces necessary to win 6-8 games next year are here with the right coach. There would be instant buy in from the players with Miles and the importance of that to a quick turnaround can not be overstated. I believe Les Miles could come in and Dennis Erickson the s%#t out of this team and make it win a surprising amount of games next year. He would need to do the same things St. Dennis did - take the pieces that were there and correctly evaluate where you need help.. then go get that help from the Jucos.
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Post by seastape on Nov 8, 2017 12:51:09 GMT -8
Agree wholeheartedly. If Les Miles wants to come here, then lets get him. He's got an NC ring, his teams were often in contention for the SEC title, and he took Oklahoma State to respectability. His defenses were terrifying and most of his offenses were decent in a very tough conference. I don't get the knock on him. At all.
Its about understanding that past success doesn't guarantee future success. There is a reason that eventually every coach drops off. Things change, they change. Maybe Miles isn't at that stage (although his last few seasons at LSU gave at least the appearance of a drop off). Bobby Bowden coached till he was 80 but his last 8-9 years were not as good as previous years. He retires and FSU was instantly better (maybe they'd have been as good with him but we don't know). Lou Holtz was great at Arkansas and Notre Dame but average (2 Bowls in 6 years) at South Carolina. At some point a coach isn't the same guy they were at an earlier point of their career. Miles may not be at that point but I think some of you need to pump the brakes and at least take a second to think about the possibility that he is. Of course we realize that past success does not necessarily equal future success. Most of us are quite aware that there can be drop offs as coaches get older. Exhibit A is most likely Mike Riley, who from all appearances is not the coach that he once was. Or Dennis Erickson, who seems to have dropped off since he left OSU.
Some coaches also don't seem to fit at certain schools. Every single coaching candidate out there has a possibility that he will not work well at OSU. Les Miles is no exception. It is possible that he would come in here and fail. But you can say that about every single man that OSU will consider for the job. Baldwin? Great FCS coach; how good will he be in FBS? Tedford? Did well turning around schools, but tailed off at the end of his tenure at Cal and is currently turning around Fresno St. in a weak Mountain West. Norvell? Two successful season at a non-Power 5 conference, will that translate into success at a Power 5 school? Every single guy that we can realistically hire will have questions.
But Les Miles seems to have the best track record of all the names that I have heard. But, in my opinion, whatever his flaws, I believe he will come in here and our defense will instantly be better and our recruiting credibility will instantly have national recognition. Every high school coach out there has heard of him. He will be able to tick off to recruits a litany of players that he has put in the NFL.
Maybe he can't coach offense. But maybe he can. Maybe the game has passed him by. I doubt it, but it's possible. Maybe his lack of presence on the west coast will hurt. Doubt it, but's it's possible. In the end, I'll take his possible flaws against any other candidate out there, at least from the names that I have heard so far.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 12:54:29 GMT -8
Its about understanding that past success doesn't guarantee future success. There is a reason that eventually every coach drops off. Things change, they change. Maybe Miles isn't at that stage (although his last few seasons at LSU gave at least the appearance of a drop off). Bobby Bowden coached till he was 80 but his last 8-9 years were not as good as previous years. He retires and FSU was instantly better (maybe they'd have been as good with him but we don't know). Lou Holtz was great at Arkansas and Notre Dame but average (2 Bowls in 6 years) at South Carolina. At some point a coach isn't the same guy they were at an earlier point of their career. Miles may not be at that point but I think some of you need to pump the brakes and at least take a second to think about the possibility that he is. Of course we realize that past success does not necessarily equal future success. Most of us are quite aware that there can be drop offs as coaches get older. Exhibit A is most likely Mike Riley, who from all appearances is not the coach that he once was. Or Dennis Erickson, who seems to have dropped off since he left OSU.
Some coaches also don't seem to fit at certain schools. Every single coaching candidate out there has a possibility that he will not work well at OSU. Les Miles is no exception. It is possible that he would come in here and fail. But you can say that about every single man that OSU will consider for the job. Baldwin? Great FCS coach; how good will he be in FBS? Tedford? Did well turning around schools, but tailed off at the end of his tenure at Cal and is currently turning around Fresno St. in a weak Mountain West. Norvell? Two successful season at a non-Power 5 conference, will that translate into success at a Power 5 school? Every single guy that we can realistically hire will have questions.
But Les Miles seems to have the best track record of all the names that I have heard. But, in my opinion, whatever his flaws, I believe he will come in here and our defense will instantly be better and our recruiting credibility will instantly have national recognition. Every high school coach out there has heard of him. He will be able to tick off to recruits a litany of players that he has put in the NFL.
Maybe he can't coach offense. But maybe he can. Maybe the game has passed him by. I doubt it, but it's possible. Maybe his lack of presence on the west coast will hurt. Doubt it, but's it's possible. In the end, I'll take his possible flaws against any other candidate out there, at least from the names that I have heard so far. I don't disagree I just don't agree with the idea that you can't even discuss the possibility that maybe someone would be a better hire and to some on this board that seems to the the case. For some its as if Les Miles must be hired without thought. At least that is my perception of some of the comments.
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Post by spudbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 15:13:02 GMT -8
What better place for a coach that eats grass than the Willamette Valley? It's an immediate hit! Fight Like Hell!
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Nov 8, 2017 15:45:21 GMT -8
Joe Torre's gonna manage the Dodgers! Get those World Series tickets now!
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Post by jimbeav on Nov 8, 2017 15:52:01 GMT -8
Here's what's funny to me...that just last week I was rolling my eyes at the folks who think that Hall should be the HC at OSU, and now this week I'm rolling my eyes at the folks who think hiring Miles would be a bad idea.
And btw, if there are any people around here who fall in both camps, and would rather hire Hall than Miles, please do us all a favor and turn in your college football fan card. You don't deserve it. ;p
GO BEAVS!
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Post by atownbeaver on Nov 8, 2017 16:05:12 GMT -8
Here's what's funny to me...that just last week I was rolling my eyes at the folks who think that Hall should be the HC at OSU, and now this week I'm rolling my eyes at the folks who think hiring Miles would be a bad idea. And btw, if there are any people around here who fall in both camps, and would rather hire Hall than Miles, please do us all a favor and turn in your college football fan card. You don't deserve it. ;p GO BEAVS! I think there are just a lot of people that only know Les Miles as "the guy that LSU fired mid season". They don't think of him as 114-34 at LSU with two NC appearances and a win...
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Post by ochobeavo on Nov 8, 2017 16:08:11 GMT -8
Here's what's funny to me...that just last week I was rolling my eyes at the folks who think that Hall should be the HC at OSU, and now this week I'm rolling my eyes at the folks who think hiring Miles would be a bad idea. And btw, if there are any people around here who fall in both camps, and would rather hire Hall than Miles, please do us all a favor and turn in your college football fan card. You don't deserve it. ;p GO BEAVS! I may have misread a couple posts, but I'm pretty sure it's a done deal now and we're hiring Hall as head coach, but Hall is bringing on Baldwin as OC, Miles as DC, Tedford as QB coach. Riley consults on Wednesdays. Neuheisel will be here for the month of August for fall camp singalongs and whitewater rafting. Sounds like it really all worked out in the end for everyone. Didn't see that coming.
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Nov 8, 2017 16:35:16 GMT -8
Here's what's funny to me...that just last week I was rolling my eyes at the folks who think that Hall should be the HC at OSU, and now this week I'm rolling my eyes at the folks who think hiring Miles would be a bad idea. And btw, if there are any people around here who fall in both camps, and would rather hire Hall than Miles, please do us all a favor and turn in your college football fan card. You don't deserve it. ;p GO BEAVS! I may have misread a couple posts, but I'm pretty sure it's a done deal now and we're hiring Hall as head coach, but Hall is bringing on Baldwin as OC, Miles as DC, Tedford as QB coach. Riley consults on Wednesdays. Neuheisel will be here for the month of August for fall camp singalongs and whitewater rafting. Sounds like it really all worked out in the end for everyone. Didn't see that coming. And I heard Andersen will be the equipment manager!! Big boy pants for everyone!!
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Nov 8, 2017 16:38:37 GMT -8
Here's what's funny to me...that just last week I was rolling my eyes at the folks who think that Hall should be the HC at OSU, and now this week I'm rolling my eyes at the folks who think hiring Miles would be a bad idea. And btw, if there are any people around here who fall in both camps, and would rather hire Hall than Miles, please do us all a favor and turn in your college football fan card. You don't deserve it. ;p GO BEAVS! I think there are just a lot of people that only know Les Miles as "the guy that LSU fired mid season". They don't think of him as 114-34 at LSU with two NC appearances and a win... Weird thing is, they didn't even fire him mid-season essentially. Squeaker losses to a top 10 Wisconsin and rival Auburn was all it took. Gotta wonder if there was something hidden going on, or is their AD/fanbase just that dumb.
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Post by nabeav on Nov 8, 2017 16:50:07 GMT -8
Kiffin? Anyone?
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