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Post by seastape on Dec 2, 2017 14:22:48 GMT -8
Hmmmm? I have a complaint a concern or just what I consider just a commonsense position of decency. Personally tired of all the name calling and the put downs of Coach Anderson. I have been guilty a few times early on myself and I am feeling badly about it. We don't know exactly what his issues are, but I am getting the feeling that they are very serious in one way or another. I think he came to Oregon State with good intentions. Obviously he didn't come close to panning out for us. Having said that, whenever he comments now, (which isn't often) he seems to be quiet and even tempered. My guess is the guy is going through a lot right now and it makes no sense to keep beating a dead horse. I really like the Jonathan Smith hire right now for a lot of reasons and maybe that would never have come about with Anderson staying here to the end of the season. I like what coach Hall did while filling the interim job and thank him for that, hopefully he will stay on staff and make his mark here also. Can we just move on to the future and forgive the strange and sorted departure of coach Anderson that was something that had to happen. I wish him luck in the future and hope he lands with his feet on the ground. I think most of the criticism has tapered off. Most of us have moved into a happy place knowing that Smith seems ready to put us in a better place or die trying.
Like you, I am sure that Andersen came to OSU with good intentions. He also came in with a heaping pile of arrogance and that arrogance led him to dismantle the program in a vain attempt to make it in his image. Blah, blah, blah...we all know the actions and results. The fact of the matter is that the damage that his hubris dealt to OSU's football program will have lingering effects at out beloved alma mater. Every time those effects are felt, which will be a lot in at least the near future, more criticism will come his way and he will deserve it. I for one may continue to criticize him when such subjects come up. Or I may not. The great, great majority of criticism that was thrown his way was earned. He has earned bitter criticism for as long as people remember him and he is brought up.
On the other hand, I do realize that there is a possibility that he is suffering from mental illness, which will make a lot (all?) of us feel guilty for the criticism. Until I hear of such a state, however, no guilt is involved. Rumors are that the Utah coach is considering hiring him, which suggests he mental health checks out.
As I said, OSU will feel the effects of Andersen's time here for a while. As long as that is the case, he earns the criticism. So, at this point in time, when we are still feeling the effects of his tenure, your request is respectfully denied.
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Post by snohobeav on Dec 2, 2017 14:45:34 GMT -8
Yeah, quit disparaging Jimmy. Enough already. Exactly. What does Jimmy AndersOn have to do with OSU football. I the same sentiment applies to Gary AndersEn. Let it go. Look through the windshield, not the rear view mirror.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 2, 2017 15:12:59 GMT -8
People still complain about Avezzano.
I suspect you'll be hearing Beaver fans lament about Andersen for 30 years, at least.
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 2, 2017 15:17:25 GMT -8
Anderson, Andersen, so what! Like no one has spelled a player or coaches name wrong, very weak statement by the people that make it and it has nothing to do with the issue. Shame on all of you that continue to grill him at this point. There is nothing gained by it. Thanks to a couple of you with mature answers. Put yourself in his shoes, he is done, he left the money behind and I think he will have a rough road ahead of him. BTW: there have been many disparaging remarks about the man, at first somewhat justified, but getting old now. Also I have coached youth sports (baseball and fast pitch softball) for 12 years of my life, also umpired some. Never got a dime for it and yes I agree that folks that do that sort of thing are invaluable in our communities, but this isn't little league, Babe Ruth or fast pitch softball. The fact that he left money he could have claimed is and was honorable. Yes he said a few things that would have better left unsaid, but not much at all lately. You can do what you want, but it's pretty small to continue this type of commentary! I call BS on this one. NO ONE on this board knows the real reason he left 12 mil. on the table and walked away - but I will wager you some money that it wasn't just because he was a swell guy. Show me other P5 coaches in recent memory that up and quit mid season, left 12 mil on the table, just because they were having some personal problems, or were a great guy. There is more to this story - bank on it. Either he is mentally ill, or something else is up. Virtually no one, especially in our society today, walks away from that much cheese. My theory? behind closed doors, the university agreed to not go after/ embarrass him, if he agreed to walk away. That makes way more sense than he just up and walked away mid season, because he wasn't winning. By walking away and not keeping OSU on the hook for the money, it makes it easier for him to start over somewhere else, and get another coaching gig. You believe what you wish to believe, and I will do the same. But when you walk away mid season, and the team/ performance is a train wreck, you are being paid millions of dollars, PUBLIC dollars, you had better man up and expect the criticism. If you can't handle the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen! As an aside, I like what Morgan Freeman said once about racism - you want to end racism? Stop talking about it! Same issue here - you want to stop people talking about GA? Stop creating threads about him. Eventually, he will fade into the distance - just like a bad dream
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Post by usmc1958 on Dec 2, 2017 16:27:37 GMT -8
I know the use of Luke's name is forbidden on this site. Rules are rules and I try to abide by them, if I can't I won't participate. I hope your use of Puke in place of Luke is just a poor attempt at rhyme humor. His Father sent him here because of Mike Riley. As far as I know the young man competed honorably. He wasn't treated honorably and left. Regardless of his skill or talent as a QB, he does not deserve the Puke reference. My opinion.
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2017 16:47:55 GMT -8
I have nothing against him. I just don’t think he was that good of a QB. My name change was more in reference to the spelling police on this board
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 2, 2017 19:50:56 GMT -8
The people that can’t get over Andersan are the same folks that can’t get over Maid Marion and Puke del Meow Well, as long as Maid Marion is playing college football elsewhere, I'm not getting over it. He's currently on TV, having scored 2 TDs to lead the blue donks in the MWC championship game. I'm still trying to grasp how that guy rates 3rd stringer on the worst team in college football. I'm not over Kyle Kempt either. But I am getting over the River, as I don't have to see him produce for another team.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 2, 2017 20:18:18 GMT -8
Anderson, Andersen, so what! Like no one has spelled a player or coaches name wrong, very weak statement by the people that make it and it has nothing to do with the issue. Shame on all of you that continue to grill him at this point. There is nothing gained by it. Thanks to a couple of you with mature answers. Put yourself in his shoes, he is done, he left the money behind and I think he will have a rough road ahead of him. BTW: there have been many disparaging remarks about the man, at first somewhat justified, but getting old now. Also I have coached youth sports (baseball and fast pitch softball) for 12 years of my life, also umpired some. Never got a dime for it and yes I agree that folks that do that sort of thing are invaluable in our communities, but this isn't little league, Babe Ruth or fast pitch softball. The fact that he left money he could have claimed is and was honorable. Yes he said a few things that would have better left unsaid, but not much at all lately. You can do what you want, but it's pretty small to continue this type of commentary! I call BS on this one. NO ONE on this board knows the real reason he left 12 mil. on the table and walked away - but I will wager you some money that it wasn't just because he was a swell guy. Show me other P5 coaches in recent memory that up and quit mid season, left 12 mil on the table, just because they were having some personal problems, or were a great guy. There is more to this story - bank on it. Either he is mentally ill, or something else is up. Virtually no one, especially in our society today, walks away from that much cheese. My theory? behind closed doors, the university agreed to not go after/ embarrass him, if he agreed to walk away. That makes way more sense than he just up and walked away mid season, because he wasn't winning. By walking away and not keeping OSU on the hook for the money, it makes it easier for him to start over somewhere else, and get another coaching gig. You believe what you wish to believe, and I will do the same. But when you walk away mid season, and the team/ performance is a train wreck, you are being paid millions of dollars, PUBLIC dollars, you had better man up and expect the criticism. If you can't handle the heat, get the hell out of the kitchen! As an aside, I like what Morgan Freeman said once about racism - you want to end racism? Stop talking about it! Same issue here - you want to stop people talking about GA? Stop creating threads about him. Eventually, he will fade into the distance - just like a bad dream Everyone has their theories. I figure message boards by nature allow for the propagation of wild theories and a certain level of “meanness” that most posters might not have in person, at least I hope so. While he may not have had the ability to coach up the team that we all hoped for, it’s impossible to say why he left and why he left money on the table. Reading between the lines on comments about family and divorce, it could very well be that the moves, both this one and the last, could be the result of trying to keep the family together. I’ve seen it happen. Moving can have consequences. That doesn’t mean mental illness or some nefariousness behind the moves. We just don’t know. The last three years essentially was an unfortunate phase in the life of Beaver football, that’s the risk of the game any time a coaching change is made. For whatever reason, it wasn’t a good fit, for all involved in this case. Hopefully the hire of Jonathan turns out much better.
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 2, 2017 20:33:00 GMT -8
Everyone has their theories. I figure message boards by nature allow for the propagation of wild theories and a certain level of “meanness” that most posters might not have in person, at least I hope so. While he may not have had the ability to coach up the team that we all hoped for, it’s impossible to say why he left and why he left money on the table. Reading between the lines on comments about family and divorce, it could very well be that the moves, both this one and the last, could be the result of trying to keep the family together. I’ve seen it happen. Moving can have consequences. That doesn’t mean mental illness or some nefariousness behind the moves. We just don’t know. The last three years essentially was an unfortunate phase in the life of Beaver football, that’s the risk of the game any time a coaching change is made. For whatever reason, it wasn’t a good fit, for all involved in this case. Hopefully the hire of Jonathan turns out much better.Agreed
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Post by thetruebeav on Dec 2, 2017 20:34:18 GMT -8
I've broke up with Garry Avezzano.... He hasn't stepped up and answered questions like I think big boy coaches do. I've said many times... he should have had a press conference instead he does his prepared statement and goes dark. I'm done and want to forget about the last 3 yrs. Here's to looking forward, being positive, getting excited about Coach Smith, the new staff & the players. It's such an exciting time! Try to erase the past....god knows we deserve it
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Post by Judge Smails on Dec 2, 2017 20:37:43 GMT -8
The people that can’t get over Andersan are the same folks that can’t get over Maid Marion and Puke del Meow Well, as long as Maid Marion is playing college football elsewhere, I'm not getting over it. He's currently on TV, having scored 2 TDs to lead the blue donks in the MWC championship game. I'm still trying to grasp how that guy rates 3rd stringer on the worst team in college football. I'm not over Kyle Kempt either. But I am getting over the River, as I don't have to see him produce for another team. OK...you have a good cry then. Maybe we should erect a statue of the lost QB’s that would have possibly gotten us to 3 whole wins this year. I’m ready to move on.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 3, 2017 11:40:36 GMT -8
Well, as long as Maid Marion is playing college football elsewhere, I'm not getting over it. He's currently on TV, having scored 2 TDs to lead the blue donks in the MWC championship game. I'm still trying to grasp how that guy rates 3rd stringer on the worst team in college football. I'm not over Kyle Kempt either. But I am getting over the River, as I don't have to see him produce for another team. OK...you have a good cry then. Maybe we should erect a statue of the lost QB’s that would have possibly gotten us to 3 whole wins this year. I’m ready to move on. I'm ready to move forward with the CJS era. But we are all kidding ourselves if we think that we can move forward without talking about the destruction to team depth and development of players that understand a coherent scheme... we are still going to be talking about this when the games roll around next fall. That being said, I think there's more than enough blame to go around.
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