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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 12:48:02 GMT -8
Unlike most on here Nall is not key to next year. Assuming the others stay, plus any new RB recruits/JC types RB is fine overall. If Ryan wants to leave... he's not even close to a top 4 rd draft pick... more power to him. But, he is far from a key cog in next year's success. Good piece to have return? Sure. But, certainly not a big blow with the youngsters we have... and could get. I agree 100% with this but I'd still like to keep him.
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Post by EOBeav on Dec 3, 2017 12:54:56 GMT -8
Where did this rumor even come from? I posted it last week some time, but others may have done so before that. It's a rumor that's been floating around elsewhere, too.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2017 13:28:58 GMT -8
Unlike most on here Nall is not key to next year. Assuming the others stay, plus any new RB recruits/JC types RB is fine overall. If Ryan wants to leave... he's not even close to a top 4 rd draft pick... more power to him. But, he is far from a key cog in next year's success. Good piece to have return? Sure. But, certainly not a big blow with the youngsters we have... and could get. Ryan Nall won a couple games in his career for the beavs almost single handedly. I hope beavs have someone like that next year if it's not him.
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Post by beavsaregood on Dec 3, 2017 13:42:48 GMT -8
Where did this rumor even come from? And not knocking him at all, but how does anyone know if he would get admitted? It’s not like just anyone can say”Hello, Stanford? Im transferring in.” And what evidence is there that Shaw is even interested in him playing there? Doesn’t seem to me that Stanford has been a big exploiter of what I think is a phony program that allows graduates to transfer. I agree. But, if he's go draft or to another team, that is fine. He did great with the Beavs. I think we'll be OK at the RB position. I'm more concerned with the other positions that need to be addressed. Make sure we tie down HS recruits Petras and Dukart at QB.
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Post by babeav on Dec 3, 2017 13:51:13 GMT -8
In a post season interview with Schnell he stated graduates in December......decision will be forthcoming.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 3, 2017 14:28:15 GMT -8
In a post season interview with Schnell he stated graduates in December......decision will be forthcoming. Link? The only interview view I saw with Nall a day or three after the Duck game he said he graduates “next term” or “this winter” can’t remember which, and will be checking out all of his options. Next day on the board someone on the board said he was graduating this term after seeing the same interview. In this link he says “this winter”. What does that mean? Moran says winter term.
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 3, 2017 15:21:50 GMT -8
Don't assume he'd get into grad school at Stanford. Unlike uo, their graduate admission programs have high standards.
And if admitted, most likely he'd leave after one term to begin to prepare for the NFL.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 3, 2017 16:54:56 GMT -8
'ferds graduate programs are A+. Undergraduate--above average, but so are OSU's. If Nall wants to do graduate work there, I get it. Football wise? I dunno. Hope Smitty (Niner), Coach Smith can talk him in to sticking around. FWIW...I think Pierce, Tyler, and possibly Tyner (if) will be JUST fine in the backfield. Hahaha ... above average? Stanford is one of the top ten universities in the world. OSU was, last I saw, 121 in the United States. There is no comparison.
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Post by EOBeav on Dec 3, 2017 20:01:17 GMT -8
'ferds graduate programs are A+. Undergraduate--above average, but so are OSU's. If Nall wants to do graduate work there, I get it. Football wise? I dunno. Hope Smitty (Niner), Coach Smith can talk him in to sticking around. FWIW...I think Pierce, Tyler, and possibly Tyner (if) will be JUST fine in the backfield. Hahaha ... above average? Stanford is one of the top ten universities in the world. OSU was, last I saw, 121 in the United States. There is no comparison. It depends on what metrics you're using. No question that Stanford is at the top of anybodys list. IIRC, that '121' figure for Oregon State comes from Newsweek and their annual ranking of colleges and universities in the United States. The problem is, that list is created more out of popularity and doesn't really have solid numbers behind it. When it comes to sciences, natural resources, etc... it's difficult to beat an education at Oregon State University. We get more federal research dollars than the rest of the state combined. That includes Hole. Regardless, I hope Nall stays. But if he indeed becomes a Tree next year, it will be for the right reasons, and I support his ability to do so.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 3, 2017 21:42:02 GMT -8
Hahaha ... above average? Stanford is one of the top ten universities in the world. OSU was, last I saw, 121 in the United States. There is no comparison. It depends on what metrics you're using. No question that Stanford is at the top of anybodys list. IIRC, that '121' figure for Oregon State comes from Newsweek and their annual ranking of colleges and universities in the United States. The problem is, that list is created more out of popularity and doesn't really have solid numbers behind it. When it comes to sciences, natural resources, etc... it's difficult to beat an education at Oregon State University. We get more federal research dollars than the rest of the state combined. That includes Hole. Regardless, I hope Nall stays. But if he indeed becomes a Tree next year, it will be for the right reasons, and I support his ability to do so. Um, no. These rankings.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 3, 2017 21:44:41 GMT -8
Hahaha ... above average? Stanford is one of the top ten universities in the world. OSU was, last I saw, 121 in the United States. There is no comparison. It depends on what metrics you're using. No question that Stanford is at the top of anybodys list. IIRC, that '121' figure for Oregon State comes from Newsweek and their annual ranking of colleges and universities in the United States. The problem is, that list is created more out of popularity and doesn't really have solid numbers behind it. When it comes to sciences, natural resources, etc... it's difficult to beat an education at Oregon State University. We get more federal research dollars than the rest of the state combined. That includes Hole. Regardless, I hope Nall stays. But if he indeed becomes a Tree next year, it will be for the right reasons, and I support his ability to do so. Then there is this one.
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Post by jdogge on Dec 3, 2017 21:48:11 GMT -8
Hahaha ... above average? Stanford is one of the top ten universities in the world. OSU was, last I saw, 121 in the United States. There is no comparison. It depends on what metrics you're using. No question that Stanford is at the top of anybodys list. IIRC, that '121' figure for Oregon State comes from Newsweek and their annual ranking of colleges and universities in the United States. The problem is, that list is created more out of popularity and doesn't really have solid numbers behind it. When it comes to sciences, natural resources, etc... it's difficult to beat an education at Oregon State University. We get more federal research dollars than the rest of the state combined. That includes Hole. Regardless, I hope Nall stays. But if he indeed becomes a Tree next year, it will be for the right reasons, and I support his ability to do so. Can't forget this one, either.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 3, 2017 23:01:38 GMT -8
Where did this rumor even come from? And not knocking him at all, but how does anyone know if he would get admitted? It’s not like just anyone can say”Hello, Stanford? Im transferring in.” And what evidence is there that Shaw is even interested in him playing there? Doesn’t seem to me that Stanford has been a big exploiter of what I think is a phony program that allows graduates to transfer. If I recall correctly this really heated up based on an interview with Nall. He mentioned in said interview that his plan was always the graduate in 3 years so he would have every option including grad transfer available to him. Stanford is just a natural option and pure speculation
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Post by obf on Dec 4, 2017 4:24:35 GMT -8
Unlike most on here Nall is not key to next year. Assuming the others stay, plus any new RB recruits/JC types RB is fine overall. If Ryan wants to leave... he's not even close to a top 4 rd draft pick... more power to him. But, he is far from a key cog in next year's success. Good piece to have return? Sure. But, certainly not a big blow with the youngsters we have... and could get. Ryan Nall won a couple games in his career for the beavs almost single handedly. I hope beavs have someone like that next year if it's not him. Which is great, and at the college level a very good RB can do that. But lets be honest there may be five (5) Rb at any given time in the world that can do that at the NFL level these days, and that is why the RB is SOOOO undervalued there. I mean just look at the seahawks tonight... Some random guy named Mike Davis (I am a slightly more than casual Seahawks fan and I had never heard of him) looked GREAT, next game he may be cut... Because in the NFL it is so much more about scheme, O Line, and QB than the RB. Seriously, name more than 5 NFL running backs right now that are "special" that couldn't be interchanged with some other, very good, but basically run of the mill back. It is also why Terron Ward can be a very very good backup in the NFL even though he didn't even start for his college team. He plays because he is good at everything, is a great team player, good in the locker room, etc. not because he is that great of a runner. Of course item #1 for a good NFL back that isn't "special" is pass pro... the very thing Ryan is most lacking. And here is where the chickens come to roost. We all blasted QA (and Riley to some extent) that they didn't see that Ryan was going to be an obvious good college RB and stick him there, but in reality what they saw was a guy that could be a very good RB, but also a "special" TE or LB. Of course now he is too invested to be drafted in those positions as anything other than a 7th round or UDFA project. If they has stayed committed to making Nall a special LB or TE he could be a Gronk or a Kuechly. As it is now, he is hoping to be Terron Ward or Maaayyybbbeeee, with a great year next year (1500 yards) Quiz. As a Beaver fan I LOVE that they put him at RB and I HOPE he comes back for his senior year and kicks major butt. But if had been his advisor 4 years ago.... I would have told him to become a world class TE...
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 4, 2017 9:12:56 GMT -8
Ryan Nall won a couple games in his career for the beavs almost single handedly. I hope beavs have someone like that next year if it's not him. Which is great, and at the college level a very good RB can do that. But lets be honest there may be five (5) Rb at any given time in the world that can do that at the NFL level these days, and that is why the RB is SOOOO undervalued there. I mean just look at the seahawks tonight... Some random guy named Mike Davis (I am a slightly more than casual Seahawks fan and I had never heard of him) looked GREAT, next game he may be cut... Because in the NFL it is so much more about scheme, O Line, and QB than the RB. Seriously, name more than 5 NFL running backs right now that are "special" that couldn't be interchanged with some other, very good, but basically run of the mill back. It is also why Terron Ward can be a very very good backup in the NFL even though he didn't even start for his college team. He plays because he is good at everything, is a great team player, good in the locker room, etc. not because he is that great of a runner. Of course item #1 for a good NFL back that isn't "special" is pass pro... the very thing Ryan is most lacking. And here is where the chickens come to roost. We all blasted QA (and Riley to some extent) that they didn't see that Ryan was going to be an obvious good college RB and stick him there, but in reality what they saw was a guy that could be a very good RB, but also a "special" TE or LB. Of course now he is too invested to be drafted in those positions as anything other than a 7th round or UDFA project. If they has stayed committed to making Nall a special LB or TE he could be a Gronk or a Kuechly. As it is now, he is hoping to be Terron Ward or Maaayyybbbeeee, with a great year next year (1500 yards) Quiz. As a Beaver fan I LOVE that they put him at RB and I HOPE he comes back for his senior year and kicks major butt. But if had been his advisor 4 years ago.... I would have told him to become a world class TE... We can blame the late 90's and early 2000 Denver Broncos. The team that make the zone blocking OL and the one cut running back popular. Broncos became the "Insert RB, gain 1,000 yards" team. From the end of Davis's run, that team has cycled starting RBs like no other. and for the most part, didn't really miss any beats. I think other teams saw this, and went "why are we paying top dollar to a #1 RB, that is a huge injury risk position". It is why the bellcow RB in the NFL is now pretty rare. 30 touches a game never happen, except for on rare occasion. Running back by committee is the norm now. IN college, you don't quite have the skill and stability on the OL. So true lead backs are still a thing. As for Nall being a top LB. He has the size and the speed... but I am going to be honest, to you really think he has the physicality? He could... but he doesn't exude it. Nall looks to shake contact a lot as a runner, and I think that is holding him back. By all means, He lowers his head here and there, but nothing like you would expect your 230-240 pound RB to do. Does that translate to an outstanding OLB? Maybe if that was what he started off doing. I dunno. I don't seem him necessarily having the nose to come make a huge hit.
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