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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 10:22:42 GMT -8
For some more perspective... While it may be rarer in the Sports / coaching world, let me point out that this happens all the time in the corporate and engineering world... A guy works for 25,30,35 years, toiling away, working his way up the ladder, grinding his way through the 50-60 hour weeks. Pretty soon he is CTO, or some such title, has probably jumped companies a time or two, but in the same industry and he has reached (or passed) his ceiling, and he is running out of energy / almost ready to retire / has maybe slipped a bit or can't keep up with the younger folks, yet isn't ready to just sit in a Lazy boy all day. Those guys are a WEALTH of knowledge and companies (yes even former ones) line up for miles to hire them as Fellows or Consultants, usually at 6 figure salaries or $500 an hour... I remember one guy in a former company I worked at, was around 75, and was almost like a sage, he only worked 15-20 hours a week, had no project, had no deliverables just had meetings where he consulted and advised younger engineers... He was booked out at least a month, and it was rumored that if you went and sat with him for an hour and were an astute listener he would probably drop 3 patentable ideas on you... Point is, he was worth every penny and was a huge asset to the company, as Mike Riley will be for this football team Except working 15-20 hours a week won't work if he is a position coach. He would need to be putting in 50-60 hours per week minimum and going on the road for recruiting trips. This is why I supported him being a consultant because in that role he'd be exactly what you describe above. As a coach he better find some additional energy (he seemed like a zombie on Nebraska's sideline).
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Post by obf on Dec 6, 2017 10:33:09 GMT -8
For some more perspective... While it may be rarer in the Sports / coaching world, let me point out that this happens all the time in the corporate and engineering world... A guy works for 25,30,35 years, toiling away, working his way up the ladder, grinding his way through the 50-60 hour weeks. Pretty soon he is CTO, or some such title, has probably jumped companies a time or two, but in the same industry and he has reached (or passed) his ceiling, and he is running out of energy / almost ready to retire / has maybe slipped a bit or can't keep up with the younger folks, yet isn't ready to just sit in a Lazy boy all day. Those guys are a WEALTH of knowledge and companies (yes even former ones) line up for miles to hire them as Fellows or Consultants, usually at 6 figure salaries or $500 an hour... I remember one guy in a former company I worked at, was around 75, and was almost like a sage, he only worked 15-20 hours a week, had no project, had no deliverables just had meetings where he consulted and advised younger engineers... He was booked out at least a month, and it was rumored that if you went and sat with him for an hour and were an astute listener he would probably drop 3 patentable ideas on you... Point is, he was worth every penny and was a huge asset to the company, as Mike Riley will be for this football team Except working 15-20 hours a week won't work if he is a position coach. He would need to be putting in 50-60 hours per week minimum and going on the road for recruiting trips. This is why I supported him being a consultant because in that role he'd be exactly what you describe above. As a coach he better find some additional energy (he seemed like a zombie on Nebraska's sideline). The fellow working 15-20 hrs was just one example... I also directly worked with another fellow that got into work before I did and left after I did, and I asked him once... Why do you still work so hard? And if you still have the energy why arent you leading the company still (he stepped down from CEO to be a fellow)? His reply: stress He still loved the work, he still had passion for his company, he still was desperate to see it and all.his employees succeed, he just no longer had the wear with all to be the head man with all the weight on his shoulders... He had some crazy stories... Talked about being in meetings with a bleeding ulcer (from stress) that was bleeding so much that he kept an push pin in his pants pocket and literally stuck it into his leg under the conference table for a jolt of adrenaline when he felt like passing out, smh...
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 6, 2017 10:34:04 GMT -8
For some more perspective... While it may be rarer in the Sports / coaching world, let me point out that this happens all the time in the corporate and engineering world... A guy works for 25,30,35 years, toiling away, working his way up the ladder, grinding his way through the 50-60 hour weeks. Pretty soon he is CTO, or some such title, has probably jumped companies a time or two, but in the same industry and he has reached (or passed) his ceiling, and he is running out of energy / almost ready to retire / has maybe slipped a bit or can't keep up with the younger folks, yet isn't ready to just sit in a Lazy boy all day. Those guys are a WEALTH of knowledge and companies (yes even former ones) line up for miles to hire them as Fellows or Consultants, usually at 6 figure salaries or $500 an hour... I remember one guy in a former company I worked at, was around 75, and was almost like a sage, he only worked 15-20 hours a week, had no project, had no deliverables just had meetings where he consulted and advised younger engineers... He was booked out at least a month, and it was rumored that if you went and sat with him for an hour and were an astute listener he would probably drop 3 patentable ideas on you... Point is, he was worth every penny and was a huge asset to the company, as Mike Riley will be for this football team Except working 15-20 hours a week won't work if he is a position coach. He would need to be putting in 50-60 hours per week minimum and going on the road for recruiting trips. This is why I supported him being a consultant because in that role he'd be exactly what you describe above. As a coach he better find some additional energy (he seemed like a zombie on Nebraska's sideline). No, but being an assistant coach is not the same level of stress/commitment that the HC gig is. In the analogy here, it fits - Riley has a reduced level of responsibility (workload) and is able to function in a capacity that allows him to be extremely valuable. I too work in the engineering field, and have seen the same exact scenario as obf is describing. These are guys who have a wealth of knowledge and can be very useful in a specific job function but they are never going to be workhorses again. Smart companies figure out how to utilize those guys rather than simply putting them out to pasture. That's exactly what Smith is doing here.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 6, 2017 10:38:04 GMT -8
Let's hope not. We can do better. Mike Riley is not a good football coach. Really? By what measure? If people want to squawk about him not changing with the times as a head coach, fair enough, but you’re blinded by some inane bias if you can’t acknowledge that he is one of the most respected offensive minds and particularly regarding QBs at any level. He is also an astute evaluator of QB talent. He wanted San Diego to take Brady when he was there, but nobody but New England seemed to see what he saw, and even they didn’t move until the 6th round. That guy really did turn out to be OK. Point being, as one of his biggest fans, even I wouldn’t want Coach Riley as the OC or something that broad and demanding, but in a specific role developing QBs? Are you kidding? Name me 5 people in America more qualified. Slam dunk here!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 10:42:03 GMT -8
Except working 15-20 hours a week won't work if he is a position coach. He would need to be putting in 50-60 hours per week minimum and going on the road for recruiting trips. This is why I supported him being a consultant because in that role he'd be exactly what you describe above. As a coach he better find some additional energy (he seemed like a zombie on Nebraska's sideline). No, but being an assistant coach is not the same level of stress/commitment that the HC gig is. In the analogy here, it fits - Riley has a reduced level of responsibility (workload) and is able to function in a capacity that allows him to be extremely valuable. I too work in the engineering field, and have seen the same exact scenario as obf is describing. These are guys who have a wealth of knowledge and can be very useful in a specific job function but they are never going to be workhorses again. Smart companies figure out how to utilize those guys rather than simply putting them out to pasture. That's exactly what Smith is doing here. Sorry, I don't buy the analogy. Yes, Riley will have less stress but his workload will still be immense and require tons of energy. You can get that vast knowledge out of him as a consultant. Maybe he is ready to spend 60 hours a week game planning, watching film, working on the field, and recruiting. But to say its the same as being a consultant is untrue. Consultants can pick and choose the work they do. Riley can't just decide he wants to spend a week in San Antonio as a position coach. As a consultant he could. I never said you need to put him out to pasture, I am all for him consulting. Just not sure I want him as an every day coach. His 2nd analogy about the guy that just didn't want to be CEO anymore fits, his first analogy does not. Maybe Riley is ready for that role. I guess we will find out.
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Post by skyrider on Dec 6, 2017 10:43:35 GMT -8
Help!
I have been criticized (and correctly so) because I do not know how to add my comment to an already existing comment.
What is the procedure for doing that?
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Post by TheGlove on Dec 6, 2017 10:47:21 GMT -8
Help!
I have been criticized (and correctly so) because I do not know how to add my comment to an already existing comment.
What is the procedure for doing that? click on the Quote button.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 6, 2017 10:53:17 GMT -8
No, but being an assistant coach is not the same level of stress/commitment that the HC gig is. In the analogy here, it fits - Riley has a reduced level of responsibility (workload) and is able to function in a capacity that allows him to be extremely valuable. I too work in the engineering field, and have seen the same exact scenario as obf is describing. These are guys who have a wealth of knowledge and can be very useful in a specific job function but they are never going to be workhorses again. Smart companies figure out how to utilize those guys rather than simply putting them out to pasture. That's exactly what Smith is doing here. Sorry, I don't buy the analogy. Yes, Riley will have less stress but his workload will still be immense and require tons of energy. You can get that vast knowledge out of him as a consultant. Maybe he is ready to spend 60 hours a week game planning, watching film, working on the field, and recruiting. But to say its the same as being a consultant is untrue. Consultants can pick and choose the work they do. Riley can't just decide he wants to spend a week in San Antonio as a position coach. As a consultant he could. I never said you need to put him out to pasture, I am all for him consulting. Just not sure I want him as an every day coach. His 2nd analogy about the guy that just didn't want to be CEO anymore fits, his first analogy does not. Maybe Riley is ready for that role. I guess we will find out. You make some good points but I think you're vastly underestimating the workload reduction that goes from Head Coach to QB coach. It's a big step down from head coach to coordinator, he's taken 2 steps down from Head Coach to position coach. For a workhorse that has spent the last 30 years of his life working 70 hours a week, QB coach is going to be like a vacation. The reduction in stress and responsibilities alone should make it seem like Mike Riley is full of youthful energy. Nobody has ever questioned Riley's work ethic. They've questioned his game management, killer instinct, and ability to land top recruits but his ability as a teacher of young men and ability to evaluate talent has never been in question. His wealth of knowledge is a huge asset.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 10:57:18 GMT -8
Sorry, I don't buy the analogy. Yes, Riley will have less stress but his workload will still be immense and require tons of energy. You can get that vast knowledge out of him as a consultant. Maybe he is ready to spend 60 hours a week game planning, watching film, working on the field, and recruiting. But to say its the same as being a consultant is untrue. Consultants can pick and choose the work they do. Riley can't just decide he wants to spend a week in San Antonio as a position coach. As a consultant he could. I never said you need to put him out to pasture, I am all for him consulting. Just not sure I want him as an every day coach. His 2nd analogy about the guy that just didn't want to be CEO anymore fits, his first analogy does not. Maybe Riley is ready for that role. I guess we will find out. You make some good points but I think you're vastly underestimating the workload reduction that goes from Head Coach to QB coach. It's a big step down from head coach to coordinator, he's taken 2 steps down from Head Coach to position coach. For a workhorse that has spent the last 30 years of his life working 70 hours a week, QB coach is going to be like a vacation. The reduction in stress and responsibilities alone should make it seem like Mike Riley is full of youthful energy. Nobody has ever questioned Riley's work ethic. They've questioned his game management, killer instinct, and ability to land top recruits but his ability as a teacher of young men and ability to evaluate talent has never been in question. His wealth of knowledge is a huge asset. To be a good QB coach he will need to put in virtually the same number of hours. He will just be doing different activities during those hours.
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Post by osufan2k on Dec 6, 2017 10:57:25 GMT -8
Pathetic if true, unless you are an old timer who keeps forgetting he QUIT on OSU multiple times... Osulax24.... again love your passion for all things BEAVS and your opinions on this board. But honestly....quit? He got a NFL HEAD JOB. There only 32 of those and if you were in a profession and someone wanted to hire you and basically said....I think you are one of the 32 best out there... wouldn't you? Nebraska comes calling? I for one, would answer those phone calls. And I'm not an old timer either. Again, he isn't the head guy here. Coach Riley is a well respected football teacher & would be a great asset to anyone's staff. Again gang....let's move forward and SUPPORT Coach Smith on any hires of HIS staff! All of this on this board are passionate about OSU football & we all can help change negativity that had crept into this program fans, alumini & on this board. I for one say....it's a great day to be a Beaver! And to add to this... Riley also turned down some BIG name programs to STAY at OSU. Turned down Alabama... turned down USC (twice?)... Am I missing any other teams?
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Post by fumblerooski on Dec 6, 2017 10:58:42 GMT -8
I have always been a fan of Riley. I respect and appreciate what he's done for OSU. I also believe it was time for him to leave when he did. Not only did it bail OSU out financially but it seemed like everyone involved needed a fresh start. (I just wish our fresh start hadn't included Andersen and the dumpster fire that has been).
My only hesitation is that this is now JS's team and he needs to be the one leading. I hope that other assistants will look to JS for that rather than falling back on Riley's opinion. I've only met Riley once but he seems like he has the personality to take a back seat and do his job effectively while providing guidance and insight when necessary but I can also see how this could be problematic for a young, first time head coach.
However, if it works out, it's hard to imagine finding a better QB coach than Riley.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 6, 2017 11:13:54 GMT -8
I have always been a fan of Riley. I respect and appreciate what he's done for OSU. I also believe it was time for him to leave when he did. Not only did it bail OSU out financially but it seemed like everyone involved needed a fresh start. (I just wish our fresh start hadn't included Andersen and the dumpster fire that has been). My only hesitation is that this is now JS's team and he needs to be the one leading. I hope that other assistants will look to JS for that rather than falling back on Riley's opinion. I've only met Riley once but he seems like he has the personality to take a back seat and do his job effectively while providing guidance and insight when necessary but I can also see how this could be problematic for a young, first time head coach. However, if it works out, it's hard to imagine finding a better QB coach than Riley. Mike Riley is way too humble to undermine Smith. I think he's going to kill it. And, we needed the CGA thing to happen for this to come together this way. No way does Smith come in and assemble the staff that he appears to be putting together if this happened 3 years ago. Feels like there is some karmic good going on with this whole thing to me.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 6, 2017 11:15:27 GMT -8
I have always been a fan of Riley. I respect and appreciate what he's done for OSU. I also believe it was time for him to leave when he did. Not only did it bail OSU out financially but it seemed like everyone involved needed a fresh start. (I just wish our fresh start hadn't included Andersen and the dumpster fire that has been). My only hesitation is that this is now JS's team and he needs to be the one leading. I hope that other assistants will look to JS for that rather than falling back on Riley's opinion. I've only met Riley once but he seems like he has the personality to take a back seat and do his job effectively while providing guidance and insight when necessary but I can also see how this could be problematic for a young, first time head coach. However, if it works out, it's hard to imagine finding a better QB coach than Riley. I’ve been thinking about the concern of some that Riley could usurp some of JS’s authority just by his presence, and I think that this is a legitimate concern that would need to be addressed up front. JS admires and values MR so much that he sees him as a huge asset - both professionally and personally. You know that they would have to talk about the importance of boundaries. Along with JS being excited about having him aboard, I really believe that MR is thrilled for him and would anything he possibly could to make sure that this is Niner’s team. He’s humble and probably grateful for the chance to be in a place he loves and given the opportunity to tighten his focus. I can imagine him committing each day to developing the 5 or 6 kids under his direct charge to prepare and perform at a level that makes JS’s enormous job easier and more enjoyable. These two outstanding men will communicate boundaries clearly to the team, and I have no doubt that even if JS is too engulfed in the big picture to notice that some players are blurring the pecking order, MR himself will set him straight. Unlike a few assistants that we’ve had over the years, there is no way that Riley would ever be party to helping foster a divisive/mutinous environment. If he sees it, he’ll crush it early. He wants Jonathan to thrive.
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Post by baseba1111 on Dec 6, 2017 11:16:13 GMT -8
Help!
I have been criticized (and correctly so) because I do not know how to add my comment to an already existing comment.
What is the procedure for doing that? click on the Quote button. Or "edit wheel" if it is your comment and not quoted by another.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:18:18 GMT -8
No, but being an assistant coach is not the same level of stress/commitment that the HC gig is. In the analogy here, it fits - Riley has a reduced level of responsibility (workload) and is able to function in a capacity that allows him to be extremely valuable. I too work in the engineering field, and have seen the same exact scenario as obf is describing. These are guys who have a wealth of knowledge and can be very useful in a specific job function but they are never going to be workhorses again. Smart companies figure out how to utilize those guys rather than simply putting them out to pasture. That's exactly what Smith is doing here. Sorry, I don't buy the analogy. Yes, Riley will have less stress but his workload will still be immense and require tons of energy. You can get that vast knowledge out of him as a consultant. Maybe he is ready to spend 60 hours a week game planning, watching film, working on the field, and recruiting. But to say its the same as being a consultant is untrue. Consultants can pick and choose the work they do. Riley can't just decide he wants to spend a week in San Antonio as a position coach. As a consultant he could. I never said you need to put him out to pasture, I am all for him consulting. Just not sure I want him as an every day coach. His 2nd analogy about the guy that just didn't want to be CEO anymore fits, his first analogy does not. Maybe Riley is ready for that role. I guess we will find out. Serious question....Have you ever been the boss or a business owner in your life? Huge difference in stress level. Its not like Riley has had a 40 hour work week all of his life. Except for vacation time, which still probably involves some work, my bet is he’s maybe had a couple hours “off” on Sunday evenings most of the year. Not only is he capable of coaching every position on the field, he’s probably had to step in and help out innumerable times. As a position coach he’ll have 1 responsibility working primarily with a few kids. It’ll seem like a vacation even if it’s 60 hours a week.
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