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Post by Tigardbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:20:59 GMT -8
See if there is a locker for Ad Rutschman. We will move to the Senior (Legends) Tour Ad is still coaching kickoff returns at Linfield. damn it....what's his buyout?
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 6, 2017 11:22:16 GMT -8
I think most people would agree that Dennis Erickson has a much more forceful (for the lack of a better word) personality than Mike Riley. Yet he easily settled in to a subordinate role at Utah after decades of being a head coach, with NFL experience, national titles and COY honors galore.
True that DE didn't return to the school where he'd been the head coach, but ... I have enough faith in JS's judgement, and in MR's ability to keep his ego in check, for this to work.
He's a tremendous resource. To not use him would be ridiculous. He gets in the living room of any quarterback recruit in the country.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 11:23:48 GMT -8
Sorry, I don't buy the analogy. Yes, Riley will have less stress but his workload will still be immense and require tons of energy. You can get that vast knowledge out of him as a consultant. Maybe he is ready to spend 60 hours a week game planning, watching film, working on the field, and recruiting. But to say its the same as being a consultant is untrue. Consultants can pick and choose the work they do. Riley can't just decide he wants to spend a week in San Antonio as a position coach. As a consultant he could. I never said you need to put him out to pasture, I am all for him consulting. Just not sure I want him as an every day coach. His 2nd analogy about the guy that just didn't want to be CEO anymore fits, his first analogy does not. Maybe Riley is ready for that role. I guess we will find out. Serious question....Have you ever been the boss or a business owner in your life? Huge difference in stress level. Its not like Riley has had a 40 hour work week all of his life. Except for vacation time, which still probably involves some work, my bet is he’s maybe had a couple hours “off” on Sunday evenings most of the year. Not only is he capable of coaching every position on the field, he’s probably had to step in and help out innumerable times. As a position coach he’ll have 1 responsibility working primarily with a few kids. It’ll seem like a vacation even if it’s 30 hours a week. You do realize I already agreed with his 2nd analogy right? I also at no point even came close to claiming the stress level was the same so no clue why you even bring that up. I even concede he'd have less stress. I only disagreed with his analogy that claimed being a position coach was equivalent to being a consultant. Because its not. That said, if he is only working 30 hours a week as a position coach he isn't doing his job. Those guys still work 60-70 hours (if not more). Its not just one responsibility, they also have recruiting and game planning responsibilities in addition to coaching their position group.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:27:11 GMT -8
Serious question....Have you ever been the boss or a business owner in your life? Huge difference in stress level. Its not like Riley has had a 40 hour work week all of his life. Except for vacation time, which still probably involves some work, my bet is he’s maybe had a couple hours “off” on Sunday evenings most of the year. Not only is he capable of coaching every position on the field, he’s probably had to step in and help out innumerable times. As a position coach he’ll have 1 responsibility working primarily with a few kids. It’ll seem like a vacation even if it’s 30 hours a week. You do realize I already agreed with his 2nd analogy right? I also at no point even came close to claiming the stress level was the same so no clue why you even bring that up. I even concede he'd have less stress. I only disagreed with his analogy that claimed being a position coach was equivalent to being a consultant. Because its not. That said, if he is only working 30 hours a week as a position coach he isn't doing his job. Those guys still work 60-70 hours (if not more). Its not just one responsibility, they also have recruiting and game planning responsibilities in addition to coaching their position group. I seriously was intending to put 60 in there, not 30. I know these guys put in long hours. Don’t know how that happened.
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Post by sessbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:27:24 GMT -8
I would imagine that Riley will not command(or demand)a big salary either. This may free up salary for other coaches CJS is looking at. I'm on board with Riley looking after the QB's and help CJS navigate the treacherous waters traversed by CFB head coaches. Good move.
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Post by nforkbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:27:59 GMT -8
You make some good points but I think you're vastly underestimating the workload reduction that goes from Head Coach to QB coach. It's a big step down from head coach to coordinator, he's taken 2 steps down from Head Coach to position coach. For a workhorse that has spent the last 30 years of his life working 70 hours a week, QB coach is going to be like a vacation. The reduction in stress and responsibilities alone should make it seem like Mike Riley is full of youthful energy. Nobody has ever questioned Riley's work ethic. They've questioned his game management, killer instinct, and ability to land top recruits but his ability as a teacher of young men and ability to evaluate talent has never been in question. His wealth of knowledge is a huge asset. To be a good QB coach he will need to put in virtually the same number of hours. He will just be doing different activities during those hours. Hours is not the issue. It's what you're doing in those hours that takes a toll on a person. Hands on Coaching can actually be an ENERGIZING activity. Contrasted to dealing with all the managerial duties of a head coach, the off field issues, dealing with the media, boosters, managing other coaches, and bearing the entire weight of a program's success on your shoulders will make anyone look worn down. Especially if things aren't going well. A MR QB coach would probably not put in the same number of hours as his counterparts at other programs, he'd probably put in more so I think your concerns are unfounded.
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Post by obf on Dec 6, 2017 11:29:03 GMT -8
Help!
I have been criticized (and correctly so) because I do not know how to add my comment to an already existing comment.
What is the procedure for doing that? Upper right hand corner of the post you want to quote there is a quote button... just press that. And/or read the proboards (the software that this site uses) guide on it: www.proboards.com/user-guide/posting/quoting
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Post by ag87 on Dec 6, 2017 11:31:03 GMT -8
Serious question....Have you ever been the boss or a business owner in your life? Huge difference in stress level. Its not like Riley has had a 40 hour work week all of his life. Except for vacation time, which still probably involves some work, my bet is he’s maybe had a couple hours “off” on Sunday evenings most of the year. Not only is he capable of coaching every position on the field, he’s probably had to step in and help out innumerable times. As a position coach he’ll have 1 responsibility working primarily with a few kids. It’ll seem like a vacation even if it’s 30 hours a week. You do realize I already agreed with his 2nd analogy right? I also at no point even came close to claiming the stress level was the same so no clue why you even bring that up. I even concede he'd have less stress. I only disagreed with his analogy that claimed being a position coach was equivalent to being a consultant. Because its not. That said, if he is only working 30 hours a week as a position coach he isn't doing his job. Those guys still work 60-70 hours (if not more). Its not just one responsibility, they also have recruiting and game planning responsibilities in addition to coaching their position group. Nothing more than a guess, but I think MR would love to work 60-70 hours/week from August to November and then 40-50 hours/week from December to July. Another two guesses - I think the stress of a position coach seems about 5% of the stress of being a head coach (from the perspective of someone like Riley) and 2nd guess, very few days of doing football stuff seems like work to him.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:32:04 GMT -8
I feel like I am in the same boat as you, in that the fact that it is Mike Riley is really the only worrying thing, and not really because of him. We still have players on the team that he recruited. How things are handled when a player disagrees with how he is being used on offense and goes and brings it up to MR, or if there are issues in the staff, is really the big question. I have no doubt that MR will do his best to handle those sorts of things, if hired, but they can be hard dynamics to manage for any staff. What QB on our current roster did MR recruit? He's not going to Fresno State, Iowa State, Florida, or back to Nebraska he's coming to OSU. " We excited fothe Vegas Bowl baby" -Willie I'm outta here Taggert Riley recruited a decent portion of our upperclass leadership, including Nall. Having him return in some small measure isn’t going to hurt the team at all.
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 6, 2017 11:34:25 GMT -8
Serious question....Have you ever been the boss or a business owner in your life? Huge difference in stress level. Its not like Riley has had a 40 hour work week all of his life. Except for vacation time, which still probably involves some work, my bet is he’s maybe had a couple hours “off” on Sunday evenings most of the year. Not only is he capable of coaching every position on the field, he’s probably had to step in and help out innumerable times. As a position coach he’ll have 1 responsibility working primarily with a few kids. It’ll seem like a vacation even if it’s 30 hours a week. You do realize I already agreed with his 2nd analogy right? I also at no point even came close to claiming the stress level was the same so no clue why you even bring that up. I even concede he'd have less stress. I only disagreed with his analogy that claimed being a position coach was equivalent to being a consultant. Because its not. That said, if he is only working 30 hours a week as a position coach he isn't doing his job. Those guys still work 60-70 hours (if not more). Its not just one responsibility, they also have recruiting and game planning responsibilities in addition to coaching their position group. Also, you didn’t respond to my question about being the guy in charge of everything. Night and day difference between that an being a subordinate even if the hours are the same.
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Post by beaverstever on Dec 6, 2017 11:37:23 GMT -8
I know Riley comes with baggage for some fans specific to OSU, so put it another way. If say Jeff Fisher or Mack Brown just happened to be good friends with Niner and wanted to live in Corvallis, would you have the same issues with Niner putting him on the staff? There's be some of the same concerns of course about how Niner would manager someone of that history, but I just can't see the downside risk being big enough to not do it.
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Post by obf on Dec 6, 2017 11:41:23 GMT -8
If I may take this a slightly different direction again... I know that Riley is seen as a QB whisperer, and he has had great success with QBs, but my hope is that he brings back the great WR finds of his previous tenures... Haas, Stroughter, Rodgers, Wheaton, Cooks, on and on Mike was always able to find under recruited WR and create stars out of them... Of that list only Cooks was highly ranked and recruited hard IIRC...
They really go hand in hand... WRs need a great QB, and QBs need great WR to catch the ball...
Yeah Darrell Garretson sucked, and maybe he threw with weird spin or something, but we also had an (IMHO) exorbitant amount of drops in the Anderson era...
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Post by bennyorange on Dec 6, 2017 11:45:30 GMT -8
If I may take this a slightly different direction again... I know that Riley is seen as a QB whisperer, and he has had great success with QBs, but my hope is that he brings back the great WR finds of his previous tenures... Haas, Stroughter, Rodgers, Wheaton, Cooks, on and on Mike was always able to find under recruited WR and create stars out of them... Of that list only Cooks was highly ranked and recruited hard IIRC... They really go hand in hand... WRs need a great QB, and QBs need great WR to catch the ball... Yeah Darrell Garretson sucked, and maybe he threw with weird spin or something, but we also had an (IMHO) exorbitant amount of drops in the Anderson era... Maybe we can grab all the decommitted 4* WR's abandoning the phucks ship !!!!
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Post by ochobeavo on Dec 6, 2017 11:46:08 GMT -8
7 pages of angst, speculation, "perspective" and analogies - and nothing close to official. I'll say this - offseason has been much more exciting than the regular season!
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Post by bennyorange on Dec 6, 2017 11:46:58 GMT -8
7 pages of angst, speculation, "perspective" and analogies - and nothing close to official. I'll say this - offseason has been much more exciting than the regular season! And without a doubt WAY more uplifting than the dismal depressing regular season we all just suffered through.
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