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Post by kersting13 on Dec 19, 2017 12:09:56 GMT -8
How is Jim Wilson going to back-up his stance that Mr. Big-Boy Pants left the program in better shape than he found it?
Seems a bit awkward.
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Post by beavadelic on Dec 19, 2017 12:19:27 GMT -8
How is Jim Wilson going to back-up his stance that Mr. Big-Boy Pants left the program in better shape than he found it? Seems a bit awkward. He’ll figure something out. I definitely don’t think that Big Jim is agenda-driven. He has his takes - many of which are good - but I appreciate that he’s not afraid to speak his mind. I felt like he was grasping for something, anything, positive for Beaver Nation to grab ahold of for hope in the immediate aftermath of CGA’s disastrous stint here. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 19, 2017 13:06:38 GMT -8
That certainly was perplexing. In a time of great perplexity.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 19, 2017 14:20:54 GMT -8
That certainly was perplexing. In a time of great perplexity. I mean, I think I would have to hear his reasoning for taking that position. I can see several ways to frame it that would be true. |
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Post by obf on Dec 19, 2017 14:45:42 GMT -8
How is Jim Wilson going to back-up his stance that Mr. Big-Boy Pants left the program in better shape than he found it? Seems a bit awkward. He won't... There is no accountability when it comes to the media, he will never be questioned on it... He will happily move on with a new stance  No explanations needed... |
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Post by Henry Skrimshander on Dec 19, 2017 15:06:42 GMT -8
Just point to the completed Valley Center. No question that facility is superior to the one Andersen inherited.
PS: Jim Wilson is not the "media." He's an OSU contract employee. I also find him to be a knowledgeable and generally very candid analyst.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 19, 2017 15:29:46 GMT -8
Just point to the completed Valley Center. No question that facility is superior to the one Andersen inherited. PS: Jim Wilson is not the "media." He's an OSU contract employee. I also find him to be a knowledgeable and generally very candid analyst. Certainly the facilities are in better shape than what he inherited. But Jim very specifically noted "the program" was in better shape. I'd argue that some better buildings don't trump the decline in wins, attendance, actual players (we have exactly 4 DL on the roster who have played a down of college football), and the general perception of the program itself. |
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Post by spudbeaver on Dec 19, 2017 15:35:52 GMT -8
Just point to the completed Valley Center. No question that facility is superior to the one Andersen inherited. PS: Jim Wilson is not the "media." He's an OSU contract employee. I also find him to be a knowledgeable and generally very candid analyst. Except that Andersen had nothing to do with the planning, fundraising, or construction of it. But he did get to take possession of it, which is nice. |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 19, 2017 15:40:41 GMT -8
That certainly was perplexing. In a time of great perplexity. I mean, I think I would have to hear his reasoning for taking that position. I can see several ways to frame it that would be true. The reasoning is simple: it is his job to polish the turd that was CGA all he could. it is what he was paid to do. Nobody would of predicted that Riley was going to come back for a 3rd time. Low hanging fruit was to push a narrative that things were real bad, and while the wins were not there CGA did all these... "THINGS" that were great and beneficial, and it is all just going to come together soon. Stay faithful beaver nation!!! Now... well... its a little awkward. Because lets be honest, Wilson and Parker spent a good amount of time more or less bashing Riley over the past year. Now of course the narrative has to be that Smith found the best expert he could possibly find in what it takes to win in Corvallis and how to recruit to Corvallis. It doesn't matter that it is essentially directly contradictory to what he was saying over the past year... but that is not the point. the point is to sell excitement for OSU and put fans in the stands. |
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Post by bennyorange on Dec 19, 2017 15:49:22 GMT -8
. But he did get to take possession of it, which is nice. Carl Spackler: A looper, you know, a caddy, a looper, a jock. So, I tell them I'm a pro jock, and who do you think they give me? The Dalai Lama, himself. Twelfth son of the Lama. The flowing robes, the grace, bald... striking. So, I'm on the first tee with him. I give him the driver. He hauls off and whacks one - big hitter, the Lama - long, into a ten-thousand foot crevasse, right at the base of this glacier. Do you know what the Lama says? Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga. So we finish the eighteenth and he's gonna stiff me. And I say, "Hey, Lama, hey, how about a little something, you know, for the effort, you know." And he says, "Oh, uh, there won't be any money, but when you die, on your deathbed, you will receive total consciousness." So I got that goin' for me, which is nice. |
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Post by joeavocado on Dec 19, 2017 15:53:41 GMT -8
I don't think pointing to donors remodeling a football building is what is meant by leaving the program better than he found it. Bricks and mortar don't develop game plans, recruit players or go to bowl games. That project was likely getting done no matter who replaced Riley. One renovated building does not make up for completely tearing down a program's 20 years of development, rivaling the early 1980's for perhaps the worst team in program history.
Or switching to a 3-4 defense just because, even though you don't have the personnel to run it, and still didn't three years into his tenure. Switching to a spread offense even though you don't have the personnel to run it, then change your offense in year 2, then change your offense in year 3. Running off the better players, not recruiting well, hiring an incompetent staff, over-paying for a overrated DC that left after one year. And of course, couldn't win a road game in three years.
The program was Top 50 when he got it, and in 2017 it was arguably the worst team in FBS. Those are not symptoms of leaving it better than was inherited, it is the result of taking a program backwards into the depths of a Beaver football hell that we thought we escaped.
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Post by calder on Dec 19, 2017 16:18:01 GMT -8
The program was Top 50 when he got it, and in 2017 it was arguably the worst team in FBS. I was going to argue with you that we can't be the worst when Kansas is still around but then did a quick google to double check I wasn't making a fool out of myself if they turned thing around. Found out that while Kansas still has a much longer road losing streak then us (40 games) they actually won a game against Texas so yes they are arguably better than us.  I hate myself now. |
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Post by boiler on Dec 19, 2017 16:24:23 GMT -8
I like hearing what Jim has to add to the conversation on the radio, but he is just dead wrong on the condition of the program when GA left. Maybe Jim is judging the talent that Riley left based on GA's incompetance with talent evaluation. Luke Del Rio, Marcus McMarion, and Kyle Kempt were ALL better than Seth Collins. It is sad that Gary could not appreciate what he had.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 19, 2017 18:05:32 GMT -8
I don't think pointing to donors remodeling a football building is what is meant by leaving the program better than he found it. Bricks and mortar don't develop game plans, recruit players or go to bowl games. That project was likely getting done no matter who replaced Riley. One renovated building does not make up for completely tearing down a program's 20 years of development, rivaling the early 1980's for perhaps the worst team in program history. Or switching to a 3-4 defense just because, even though you don't have the personnel to run it, and still didn't three years into his tenure. Switching to a spread offense even though you don't have the personnel to run it, then change your offense in year 2, then change your offense in year 3. Running off the better players, not recruiting well, hiring an incompetent staff, over-paying for a overrated DC that left after one year. And of course, couldn't win a road game in three years. The program was Top 50 when he got it, and in 2017 it was arguably the worst team in FBS. Those are not symptoms of leaving it better than was inherited, it is the result of taking a program backwards into the depths of a Beaver football hell that we thought we escaped. I think we've already had this conversation once. No? At any rate, and I'm completely splitting hairs here, but if you wanted to frame it as "When Gary Andersen left the program, it was in a better state than when he came in - but through no doing of his own" for instance... I can see that. Graduation rates were way up. This is something that I liked about the Pettibone staff. Players I knew back then said "you got an 8am class, you better get your happy ass to class because Coach might be there too." And they weren't talking about JP, they were talking about their position coaches. That was something that fell off and it was something that Gary brought back. We didn't have problems with guys staying eligible academically. Getting eligible, sure. But staying eligible, that was handled. That's what I was getting at. I don't disagree that it's a massive stretch, now that I read it back to myself. Probably closer to the truth is the take by atownbeaver above. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 19, 2017 18:17:27 GMT -8
I don't think pointing to donors remodeling a football building is what is meant by leaving the program better than he found it. Bricks and mortar don't develop game plans, recruit players or go to bowl games. That project was likely getting done no matter who replaced Riley. One renovated building does not make up for completely tearing down a program's 20 years of development, rivaling the early 1980's for perhaps the worst team in program history. Or switching to a 3-4 defense just because, even though you don't have the personnel to run it, and still didn't three years into his tenure. Switching to a spread offense even though you don't have the personnel to run it, then change your offense in year 2, then change your offense in year 3. Running off the better players, not recruiting well, hiring an incompetent staff, over-paying for a overrated DC that left after one year. And of course, couldn't win a road game in three years. The program was Top 50 when he got it, and in 2017 it was arguably the worst team in FBS. Those are not symptoms of leaving it better than was inherited, it is the result of taking a program backwards into the depths of a Beaver football hell that we thought we escaped. I think we've already had this conversation once. No? At any rate, and I'm completely splitting hairs here, but if you wanted to frame it as "When Gary Andersen left the program, it was in a better state than when he came in - but through no doing of his own" for instance... I can see that. Graduation rates were way up. This is something that I liked about the Pettibone staff. Players I knew back then said "you got an 8am class, you better get your happy ass to class because Coach might be there too." And they weren't talking about JP, they were talking about their position coaches. That was something that fell off and it was something that Gary brought back. We didn't have problems with guys staying eligible academically. Getting eligible, sure. But staying eligible, that was handled. That's what I was getting at. I don't disagree that it's a massive stretch, now that I read it back to myself. Probably closer to the truth is the take by atownbeaver above. We did have a bit of this conversation before, but I thought it was worth bringing it up in the context of Riley actually being back in town. I also happened to take a look at the roster and noticed how seriously, badly, woefully thin we are on the defensive line. If there's ONE thing this staff has to do by February, it's to load up on several defensive linemen. With what we have returning, we literally do not have enough depth to even run a 3-man line. SaveSave |
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