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Post by nexus73 on Dec 20, 2017 8:49:26 GMT -8
We have had some amazing place kickers and punters over the years. Nice to see we sent the pros one who made All-Pro. There was a game where the Rams won only because of excellent special teams play scoring all their points a few years ago and Hekker was a big part of it. I can't recall another game quite like that!
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 20, 2017 9:31:42 GMT -8
We have had some amazing place kickers and punters over the years. Nice to see we sent the pros one who made All-Pro. There was a game where the Rams won only because of excellent special teams play scoring all their points a few years ago and Hekker was a big part of it. I can't recall another game quite like that! We have had a ton of good specialists. I think a lot of that had to do with Bruce Read. Didn't recruit much, and whenever we weren't perfect on special teams there was a lot of griping about him... but from a 30,000 foot perspective, it's undeniable that he was effective in this aspect. |
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Post by nexus73 on Dec 21, 2017 12:03:54 GMT -8
We have had some amazing place kickers and punters over the years. Nice to see we sent the pros one who made All-Pro. There was a game where the Rams won only because of excellent special teams play scoring all their points a few years ago and Hekker was a big part of it. I can't recall another game quite like that! We have had a ton of good specialists. I think a lot of that had to do with Bruce Read. Didn't recruit much, and whenever we weren't perfect on special teams there was a lot of griping about him... but from a 30,000 foot perspective, it's undeniable that he was effective in this aspect. We had some Really Bad Breaks on special teams that can never be forgotten. Missing all 3 XP's at LSU. Having a perfectly placed along the sideline punt with coverage in place leading to a Reggie Bush TD return. Those were prominent game losing plays.
On the other side we did benefit from Stanford taking a knee in the end zone on a KO return to give us the safety that won the game! We also had a Cal game in which the clock went on too long and we made the winning FG as a result. Those preceded Read but it shows how crazy things can get on the gridiron even when you have the best there is to work with.
Although not a special teams play, how often do you have a game where the only TD is a 99 yard run and with the XP being missed, it is the only score in the game? Yup, that's OSU! Or to see the only time the Beavs win the Rose Bowl, it is played in North Carolina...LOL! For the first game of the 21st century, we face the winningest team of the 20th while we had been the losingest. Who got ratstomped in that game? Our football history has some unbelievably strange stories. I'll take the W's with the L's on those kind of things and figure we can beat anyone on any given day and lose to anyone the same way. That has never kept me from being a Beaver Believer in any case and just adds to the entertainment value of watching how we do or don't do since Anything Can Happen!
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Post by biggieorange on Dec 22, 2017 10:02:52 GMT -8
We have had some amazing place kickers and punters over the years. Nice to see we sent the pros one who made All-Pro. There was a game where the Rams won only because of excellent special teams play scoring all their points a few years ago and Hekker was a big part of it. I can't recall another game quite like that! We have had a ton of good specialists. I think a lot of that had to do with Bruce Read. Didn't recruit much, and whenever we weren't perfect on special teams there was a lot of griping about him... but from a 30,000 foot perspective, it's undeniable that he was effective in this aspect. Looking in the rear view, Reed seemed really good at teaching the skills, but sort of lacking in game prep/motivation. Our guys often looked slow to react and unmotivated at times. |
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Post by BeaverG20 on Dec 22, 2017 16:29:00 GMT -8
Read had an eye for talent, that's for sure. He had Hekker and current Patriots punter Allen on the same team before Allen left to play elsewhere. Serna was great, Romaine was good, Kahut was average as was Jose Cortez. Hekker and Kostol were good, Hekker obviously got a lot better later.
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 22, 2017 17:14:52 GMT -8
Read had an eye for talent, that's for sure. He had Hekker and current Patriots punter Allen on the same team before Allen left to play elsewhere. Serna was great, Romaine was good, Kahut was average as was Jose Cortez. Hekker and Kostol were good, Hekker obviously got a lot better later. Cortez pulled off a heck of an NFL career for an average college kicker. He had a big leg that kept him in the league for a while. SaveSave |
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Post by BeaverG20 on Dec 22, 2017 17:21:42 GMT -8
Read had an eye for talent, that's for sure. He had Hekker and current Patriots punter Allen on the same team before Allen left to play elsewhere. Serna was great, Romaine was good, Kahut was average as was Jose Cortez. Hekker and Kostol were good, Hekker obviously got a lot better later. Cortez pulled off a heck of an NFL career for an average college kicker. He had a big leg that kept him in the league for a while. SaveSaveYeah, lots of guys got better after they left. I should probably have put those guys in the above average category |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 22, 2017 18:28:43 GMT -8
Read’s teams excelled at kicking the ball. Returning it was the issue. Seemed like 90% of punts were fair caught. Personally, I’ve always been fine with fair catching because it (hopefully) eliminates the risk of handing the ball right back to their other team after your D busted their asses to get a stop.
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Post by obf on Dec 29, 2017 10:52:39 GMT -8
We have had a ton of good specialists. I think a lot of that had to do with Bruce Read. Didn't recruit much, and whenever we weren't perfect on special teams there was a lot of griping about him... but from a 30,000 foot perspective, it's undeniable that he was effective in this aspect. For the first game of the 21st century, we face the winningest team of the 20th while we had been the losingest. Who got ratstomped in that game?
Just clarifying.... Our first game in the 2000 season was against Eastern Washington... and we barely squeaked it out... Or did you mean first Pac-10 game against USC (again I wouldn't call it a rat-stomping). Honest question, I had just never heard this historical nugget before. |
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Post by obf on Dec 29, 2017 11:00:24 GMT -8
Read’s teams excelled at kicking the ball. Returning it was the issue. Seemed like 90% of punts were fair caught. Personally, I’ve always been fine with fair catching because it (hopefully) eliminates the risk of handing the ball right back to their other team after your D busted their asses to get a stop. Yeah I think Read was good at being a special teams coach... The thing fans disliked about him was that.... we had a dedicated special teams coach at all... He didn't do ANYTHING other than coach the special teamers, he didn't even recruit the special teamers... Also, I think James Rodgers and Sammie Stroughter would take issue with you saying our return games in the Read era was subpar  And at this point in the evolution of the game, with the kick moved up and a touchback being the 25 yard line, the fact that almost EVERY return has a block in the back or holding call, and that punt and KO return is THE MOST dangerous play in the game, I think the best move anymore is to NEVER return a kick. Take the touch back, call for a fair catch, literally do not even attempt to block anyone... |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 29, 2017 11:40:40 GMT -8
For the first game of the 21st century, we face the winningest team of the 20th while we had been the losingest. Who got ratstomped in that game?
Just clarifying.... Our first game in the 2000 season was against Eastern Washington... and we barely squeaked it out... Or did you mean first Pac-10 game against USC (again I wouldn't call it a rat-stomping). Honest question, I had just never heard this historical nugget before. I assumed he had meant Bowl game of our first 21st century season. Being Notre Dame that could make sense. Either was it was a confusing sentence. |
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Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 29, 2017 11:42:34 GMT -8
Read’s teams excelled at kicking the ball. Returning it was the issue. Seemed like 90% of punts were fair caught. Personally, I’ve always been fine with fair catching because it (hopefully) eliminates the risk of handing the ball right back to their other team after your D busted their asses to get a stop. Yeah I think Read was good at being a special teams coach... The thing fans disliked about him was that.... we had a dedicated special teams coach at all... He didn't do ANYTHING other than coach the special teamers, he didn't even recruit the special teamers... Also, I think James Rodgers and Sammie Stroughter would take issue with you saying our return games in the Read era was subpar And at this point in the evolution of the game, with the kick moved up and a touchback being the 25 yard line, the fact that almost EVERY return has a block in the back or holding call, and that punt and KO return is THE MOST dangerous play in the game, I think the best move anymore is to NEVER return a kick. Take the touch back, call for a fair catch, literally do not even attempt to block anyone... I thought Read’s special teams had a LOT of mid-range to long returns, at least compared to what we’ve been seeing lately. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 29, 2017 12:41:10 GMT -8
Just clarifying.... Our first game in the 2000 season was against Eastern Washington... and we barely squeaked it out... Or did you mean first Pac-10 game against USC (again I wouldn't call it a rat-stomping). Honest question, I had just never heard this historical nugget before. I assumed he had meant Bowl game of our first 21st century season. Being Notre Dame that could make sense. Either was it was a confusing sentence. I believe he's referring to the fact that Jan 1, 2001 is the first day of the 21st century. The year 2000 is part of the 20th century (1901-2000). |
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Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 30, 2017 15:45:30 GMT -8
We have had a ton of good specialists. I think a lot of that had to do with Bruce Read. Didn't recruit much, and whenever we weren't perfect on special teams there was a lot of griping about him... but from a 30,000 foot perspective, it's undeniable that he was effective in this aspect. We had some Really Bad Breaks on special teams that can never be forgotten. Missing all 3 XP's at LSU. Having a perfectly placed along the sideline punt with coverage in place leading to a Reggie Bush TD return. Those were prominent game losing plays.
On the other side we did benefit from Stanford taking a knee in the end zone on a KO return to give us the safety that won the game! We also had a Cal game in which the clock went on too long and we made the winning FG as a result. Those preceded Read but it shows how crazy things can get on the gridiron even when you have the best there is to work with.
Although not a special teams play, how often do you have a game where the only TD is a 99 yard run and with the XP being missed, it is the only score in the game? Yup, that's OSU! Or to see the only time the Beavs win the Rose Bowl, it is played in North Carolina...LOL! For the first game of the 21st century, we face the winningest team of the 20th while we had been the losingest. Who got ratstomped in that game? Our football history has some unbelievably strange stories. I'll take the W's with the L's on those kind of things and figure we can beat anyone on any given day and lose to anyone the same way. That has never kept me from being a Beaver Believer in any case and just adds to the entertainment value of watching how we do or don't do since Anything Can Happen!
The 1988 Beaver in the Sky game is a classic. Game three on the season. Oregon State entered with a 12-game conference losing streak but a three-game winning streak against California. The fifth minute of the fourth quarter was accidentally played twice, because of a clock malfunction. One California punt officially took -47 seconds. Oregon State, with the wind, overcame a 16-3 fourth quarter deficit. After cutting the lead to 16-6, the last official half of the fourth quarter featured: Erik Wilhelm's first interception of the year at the California one, a 50-yard interception return, a blocked 31-yard field goal by Dewey Tucker with 4:17 left, an Oregon State turnover on downs on the following drive, an immediate fumble by California with 2:37 left, a Wilhelm-to-Brian Taylor touchdown against the Bears' Doug Parrish, a Wilhelm-to-Brian Swanson two-point conversion against Parrish, a deep kickoff with less than two minutes left and two timeouts, a three-and-out that cost Oregon State both timeouts, a 33-yard punt into the wind, a 38-yard drive to the six, a terrible California timeout to give Oregon State time to set up, and a game-winning 23-yard Beaver field goal with 16 seconds left. 17-16 Oregon State the final. The Bears complained bitterly about the game for the better part of 20 years after that, because it cost the Bears their first winning season since 1982. California regrouped and would finish with a winning season in 1990 and #8 in the country in 1991, before Arizona State lured Bruce Snyder away. For the 1962 Liberty Bowl, Oregon State actually did not even try an extra point, because they figured it would be futile. After trying and failing on one two-point conversion, a penalty on Villanova gave the Beavers a second shot. However, Baker's two-point pass was broken up by Villanova. The 21st Century (and Third Millennium, for that matter) officially began on January 1, 2001. As such, the Beavers' final game of the Second Millennium and 20th Century was their 23-13 win over the Ducks. Oregon State's first game of the 21st Century was its Fiesta Bowl win over Notre Dame. You are right about that. (However, there were other bowl games prior to the Fiesta Bowl on January 1, 2001.) Notre Dame was the winningest team of the 20th century. (Right again!) However, despite Oregon State's 28 consecutive losing seasons, the Beavers were not the losingest team of the 20th century. That honor belongs either to Kansas State or Kent State, depending on how you define the term "losingest." Wake Forest would replace Kent State, if you wanted to only include BCS conference teams. At worst, Oregon State would be the ninth-losingest team of the 20th century. Teams like Kansas State, Wake Forest, Northwestern, Indiana, Iowa State, and Rice all finish ahead of (behind?) Oregon State for the honor. Oregon State was the worst BCS team from 1970-2000 and second worst overall behind (ahead of?) only UTEP. And Oregon State was the losingest team in NCAA from 1970-1998. However, Nebraska was the winningest team in NCAA in that period with Notre Dame finishing seventh. It should never be forgotten that, from 1902-1969 (no team in 1901), Oregon State had a .581 winning percentage, better than teams like Florida State, Florida, Miami, TCU, Purdue, Arkansas, UCLA, Kentucky Wisconsin, Clemson, Oregon, Washington State, Iowa, Northwestern, Oklahoma State, Brigham Young, and Kansas State. The Beavers have a great history pre-1969, regardless of how terrible The Streak was. It is my hope that, one day (and maybe we are there), Oregon State can return to a time of winning 7-8 games/year with the occasional three- or four-season rebuilding cycles that the Beavers enjoyed from 1902-1969. |
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