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Post by rilesinnewberg on Dec 22, 2017 18:42:19 GMT -8
Bad grammar and spelling by younger folks w/phone = Too lazy to read the text before sending...or...dont know when its wrong Angry rant after being corrected by those who grew up making sure their writing correct = Insecure Yeah, the only reason I really even remember the message was it was so embarrassing. Back when MR was still HC in Corvallis, she tweeted out that Mike was going to be moving more toward a read option style O. I tweeted back somewhat jokingly something akin to do you really think an old guy can change. For the record I am 2 years older than Mike, so thought it to be humorous. She shriek tweeted back, "DO YOU THINK I DON"T HAVE MY SOURCES?". Speaks for itself. For us old folks, grammar today has become puzzling. Our 4 children have a 9 year age spread, and 10 year difference in graduation years. For our eldest(44) his papers that I proofread were similar to my writing. By the time I got to the last two, they were writing in the same manner that they conversed. |
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Post by nabeav on Dec 22, 2017 18:50:19 GMT -8
Also, I doubt Jonathan Smith wore his 2010 Pac-10 championship ring at the press conference.
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Post by hawksea on Dec 22, 2017 19:16:43 GMT -8
Schnell gets a real bad rap. I typically avoid that talkin’ Beavs Show, but the few times I watch, it seems like the former players are all rah rah and Lindsey is hung out to dry to be the counter argument so they can have an actual debate about topics. She has always been very complimentary of Riley and Pat Casey. About the only negative things I can remember her saying is that it’s hard to recruit to OSU and that we sucked hardcore from 2015-17....things that are true. I also feel like she was pretty critical of the Luke Heimlich situation, something I also have no problem with her doing. You may not like that she shines a light on the shady areas of OSU Athletics, but at least she provides me with something to think about. As for the grammar thing, it drives me up a wall too, but it’s a losing battle. It’s not something our society places a premium on anymore. Also, how did nobody catch that she used “marred” instead of “mired” in the first paragraph? She also liked to bash on the OSU band whenever she could back when she was a writer for the Oregonian. |
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Post by four2itus on Dec 23, 2017 11:02:50 GMT -8
I just dont appreciate the negative side of sports reporting. Like sticking a mic into the face of a coach who just lost the most important game of their career. "So how do you feel right now?" Regardless of the job requirements, I have never liked it.
The entire world knows how they feel.
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 23, 2017 11:44:05 GMT -8
She also liked to bash on the OSU band whenever she could back when she was a writer for the Oregonian. Thanks for posting, beaverfever. I get tired of the narrative about Danny Moron, John Clownzano and Lindsey Shrill, that goes something like this - "Well, they aren't that bad, they do some good things, can't we all just get along"? The answer for me is NO. I am not required to "get along" with the Portlandian, with their feigned outrage over the LH situation, their thinly veiled contempt for all things OSU, and their not so thinly veiled gushing and groupie attitude towards all things tosdtr. Gag me! |
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Post by atownbeaver on Dec 23, 2017 13:50:16 GMT -8
Thanks for posting, beaverfever. I get tired of the narrative about Danny Moron, John Clownzano and Lindsey Shrill, that goes something like this - "Well, they aren't that bad, they do some good things, can't we all just get along"? The answer for me is NO. I am not required to "get along" with the Portlandian, with their feigned outrage over the LH situation, their thinly veiled contempt for all things OSU, and their not so thinly veiled gushing and groupie attitude towards all things tosdtr. Gag me! I have never had a problem with beat writers that had what could be interpreted as a dire tone. Buker is a guy that comes to mind. He pissed a lot of people off, but honestly I think he did a really dang good job of reporting. I want a beat writer that is not a fan of the team. because I do not always want the "dear leader approved message". If we suck, I want to know why. If we are great I want to know why. I want the details. You will never get the truth or the details from a person that is pumping sunshine up your ass. If I was reading articles like "OSU lost it's 10th game in a row today, but everybody is upbeat and trusting the process" I'd probably puke. Bulls%#t. don't lie to me, don't act like nothing is wrong. Tell me what is. Don't make stuff up and don't act like the sky is falling when it isn't, but don't hold back. That is the role of journalism. |
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Post by NativeBeav on Dec 23, 2017 18:51:34 GMT -8
Thanks for posting, beaverfever. I get tired of the narrative about Danny Moron, John Clownzano and Lindsey Shrill, that goes something like this - "Well, they aren't that bad, they do some good things, can't we all just get along"? The answer for me is NO. I am not required to "get along" with the Portlandian, with their feigned outrage over the LH situation, their thinly veiled contempt for all things OSU, and their not so thinly veiled gushing and groupie attitude towards all things tosdtr. Gag me! I have never had a problem with beat writers that had what could be interpreted as a dire tone. Buker is a guy that comes to mind. He pissed a lot of people off, but honestly I think he did a really dang good job of reporting. I want a beat writer that is not a fan of the team. because I do not always want the "dear leader approved message". If we suck, I want to know why. If we are great I want to know why. I want the details. You will never get the truth or the details from a person that is pumping sunshine up your ass.
If I was reading articles like "OSU lost it's 10th game in a row today, but everybody is upbeat and trusting the process" I'd probably puke. Bulls%#t. don't lie to me, don't act like nothing is wrong. Tell me what is. Don't make stuff up and don't act like the sky is falling when it isn't, but don't hold back. That is the role of journalism. Couldn't agree more. I think all I am looking for is "give it to me straight" I don't want either major program in this state fawned over, just fair reporting. Writing articles that are intentionally sensationalist, or outright unnecessarily nasty, is what I detest. Honestly, over the years, when I have had inside information on a situation, the press gets a hold of it, they screw up the facts. Maybe not intentionally, but screw up just the same. That is my perspective. Or they write a headline that is intentionally misleading, as click bait. Or sacrifice someone's personal life for financial gain (LH). That is what I hate the most. |
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 23, 2017 20:27:25 GMT -8
Thanks for posting, beaverfever. I get tired of the narrative about Danny Moron, John Clownzano and Lindsey Shrill, that goes something like this - "Well, they aren't that bad, they do some good things, can't we all just get along"? The answer for me is NO. I am not required to "get along" with the Portlandian, with their feigned outrage over the LH situation, their thinly veiled contempt for all things OSU, and their not so thinly veiled gushing and groupie attitude towards all things tosdtr. Gag me! I have never had a problem with beat writers that had what could be interpreted as a dire tone. Buker is a guy that comes to mind. He pissed a lot of people off, but honestly I think he did a really dang good job of reporting. I want a beat writer that is not a fan of the team. because I do not always want the "dear leader approved message". If we suck, I want to know why. If we are great I want to know why. I want the details. You will never get the truth or the details from a person that is pumping sunshine up your ass. If I was reading articles like "OSU lost it's 10th game in a row today, but everybody is upbeat and trusting the process" I'd probably puke. Bulls%#t. don't lie to me, don't act like nothing is wrong. Tell me what is. Don't make stuff up and don't act like the sky is falling when it isn't, but don't hold back. That is the role of journalism. I've said it many times before: Buker covered the Beavers the way that I would cover the *ucks. He did a fine job of obtaining information and presenting that information, but he also took EVERY opportunity to make subtle, and not-so-subtle digs at OSU. Everything OSU did that was good was presented as unexpected, and he took every opportunity to poke fun at OSU or sneak in praise of hole. That kind of thing is fine every once in a while, but EVERY. SINGLE. ARTICLE. It just gets old after a while. Like I said, I would have done it the same way if it were me assigned to cover hole, but I didn't particularly enjoy the constant underhanded compliments, and slant that Buker put into ALL of his OSU coverage. SaveSave |
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 23, 2017 22:11:36 GMT -8
Puker enjoyed keeping OSU in the past as a tiny little ag school instead of the finest university in Oregon which it has become. "Lunch Pail U" got old and worn out.
Schnell on the other hand, has earned every bit of the bad rap she receives.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by four2itus on Dec 24, 2017 11:19:25 GMT -8
Saying a team sucks in not journalism. There are many ways to describe a team in a negative light, that does not belly one's own lack of professionalism and depth of one's vocabulary. To clarify, I do not know that she said this, just commenting to a posted phrase.
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Post by biggieorange on Dec 27, 2017 9:33:16 GMT -8
Thanks for posting, beaverfever. I get tired of the narrative about Danny Moron, John Clownzano and Lindsey Shrill, that goes something like this - "Well, they aren't that bad, they do some good things, can't we all just get along"? The answer for me is NO. I am not required to "get along" with the Portlandian, with their feigned outrage over the LH situation, their thinly veiled contempt for all things OSU, and their not so thinly veiled gushing and groupie attitude towards all things tosdtr. Gag me! I have never had a problem with beat writers that had what could be interpreted as a dire tone. Buker is a guy that comes to mind. He pissed a lot of people off, but honestly I think he did a really dang good job of reporting. I want a beat writer that is not a fan of the team. because I do not always want the "dear leader approved message". If we suck, I want to know why. If we are great I want to know why. I want the details. You will never get the truth or the details from a person that is pumping sunshine up your ass. If I was reading articles like "OSU lost it's 10th game in a row today, but everybody is upbeat and trusting the process" I'd probably puke. Bulls%#t. don't lie to me, don't act like nothing is wrong. Tell me what is. Don't make stuff up and don't act like the sky is falling when it isn't, but don't hold back. That is the role of journalism. I f'ing loved Buker! Anybody know what he is up to? I would fire up the laptop on my off days just to see what Buker filed. Good times. And if you knew how to read sarcasm, you got a pretty great inside picture of the teams he covered. Truly a great. Canzano never gets on my nerves. I don't like or dislike Canzano EXCEPT when he gets all "A Very Special Episode" aka "A Hallmark Special Christmas Event" I prefer sports talk/writers to actually have a connection to sports on their topics, Canzano just strays way too far for my tastes. Schnell is a fairly talent-less hack. I think my main problem with her is that I don't get the sense that SHE ACTUALLY LIKES SPORTS. I mean maybe she does, but in her writing it never comes thru. She isn't able to evoke any other feeling in me, with her writing other than IRRITANT. Sort of like fleas. Her ideas for stories and angles are not interesting or novel, she just goes for the story which will be the most divisive/irritating to the most people. I feel like there is a lot of self loathing involved in her personality. It defiantly comes thru loud and clear in her writing. At this point if I actually avoid anything she writes, even when it is about my favorite subject, the Beavs, or football or the Pac12. I can't understand how she still finds work. |
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Post by tennesseebeaver on Dec 27, 2017 17:35:30 GMT -8
She is covering the worst team in D5. So the bar is low.
Stuff I read from afar reads like she is a senior journalism major who would rather cover other stuff like politics, it seems this is her senior project (jumping to next job). The best writers from the ever shrinking old media don't use the best to cover the worst programs.
Better reporting here and on other blogs.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 28, 2017 13:35:37 GMT -8
I loved Buker, and what's funny is that Lindsey was mentored by Buker for a couple years. Buker also had the ability to be self-deprecating, which made him more likable - Lindsey doesn't have any of this, really. I think she tries to write with some of that snark/sarcasm that Buker could pull off so effortlessly. The problem is, she's a taste insecure and it bleeds through into her writing - notably in the form of having a complete lack of ability to take a joke or rude comment with any type of grace. Makes her appear thin-skinned and vindictive instead of just dry.
The thing is, Lindsey CAN write. She's had a couple of really excellent articles in her career, and not every single thing you write is going to be a home run. I don't follow her (or anybody else for that matter) on twitter but it's clear that her personality isn't winning her fans.
I would imagine it isn't easy to have everything you say criticized and dealing with all the trolls is tough. Especially as a woman who is trying to be taken seriously for her writing and not her appearance.
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