|
Post by gart79 on Dec 26, 2017 22:19:12 GMT -8
There will be a whole bunch of people who will disagree and probably disparage me for stating "We do not know Gary Anderson quit."
The press release said something to the effect that Gary Anderson and OSU mutually agreed".
I have not heard one word from the two people who really know - - Gary Anderson and Scott Barnes.
For all we know Scott Barnes fired GA. And came to a settlement and narrative for the press.
For anyone on here to say Gary Anderson quit is wrong. If one says "in my opinion I believe that GA quit" OK. That makes it clear that you are stating an opinion. To resort to "name-calling" is poor form.
I believe that those of us on this board can be better than that. Did Gary Anderson lose a lot of games - - yes. Did Gary Anderson make a bunch of bad player evaluations - - yes. Did he make what look like poor choices for coaches - - yes. Did he recruit players that didn't qualify - - yes. Did he try to fail - - I doubt it. Did he quit - - Don't know.
|
|
BeaverNut23
Freshman
WOOOOOO Feels dam Good to beat those Hogs! GO BEAVSSS!!
Posts: 553
|
Post by BeaverNut23 on Dec 26, 2017 22:37:54 GMT -8
There will be a whole bunch of people who will disagree and probably disparage me for stating "We do not know Gary Anderson quit." The press release said something to the effect that Gary Anderson and OSU mutually agreed". I have not heard one word from the two people who really know - - Gary Anderson and Scott Barnes. For all we know Scott Barnes fired GA. And came to a settlement and narrative for the press. For anyone on here to say Gary Anderson quit is wrong. If one says "in my opinion I believe that GA quit" OK. That makes it clear that you are stating an opinion. To resort to "name-calling" is poor form. I believe that those of us on this board can be better than that. Did Gary Anderson lose a lot of games - - yes. Did Gary Anderson make a bunch of bad player evaluations - - yes. Did he make what look like poor choices for coaches - - yes. Did he recruit players that didn't qualify - - yes. Did he try to fail - - I doubt it. Did he quit - - Don't know. "Shrouded in Mystery, the truth is"- Yoda.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 26, 2017 23:02:13 GMT -8
If we hear sometime in the next two years that OSU is self reporting for NCAA violations that occurred during the GA era, then I would believe it’s possible he may have been fired. Currently indications are he left of his own accord. Quitting readily explains the lack of a contract payout. Fired for cause is just about the only thing outside of quitting which could explain the lack of a contract payout. A firing without cause does not explain the lack of a contract payout. If he were fired for cause I suspect we’d eventually hear about it.
I guess one could make the argument he may have been told it is unlikely he would be retained after this year so he quit, but I’d consider that a quitting more than a firing... but if OSU is not in trouble with the NCAA, why does it even matter if he quit or was fired?
|
|
|
Post by alohabeav on Dec 27, 2017 0:20:01 GMT -8
Time to let it go. Doesn't matter yay or nay. It's almost 2018. Yesterday is done look forward to the sun coming out tomorrow. Oh I forgot, we live in Oregon and it's supposed to be cloudy. Oh well look forward to seeing the cloud and rain.
|
|
|
Post by baseba1111 on Dec 27, 2017 0:26:17 GMT -8
Time to let it go. Doesn't matter yay or nay. It's almost 2018. Yesterday is done look forward to the sun coming out tomorrow. Oh I forgot, we live in Oregon and it's supposed to be cloudy. Oh well look forward to seeing the cloud and rain. So... what the eff is the point of the thread??? But, for the record... HE QUIT. All the available info that the public was given indicates he quit. If the info changes at a later date, it doesn't make those posts incorrect. Based on current info GA quit... and much to the delight of many fans, players, and the AD's bank account. Other than that... what is the point?
|
|
|
Post by fridaynightlights on Dec 27, 2017 4:19:22 GMT -8
Yes GA quit, but Barnes didn't do much if anything to try to persuade him to stay. GA quitting saved the AD from having to fire him after the season.
|
|
|
Post by thetruebeav on Dec 27, 2017 7:42:52 GMT -8
Time to let it go. Doesn't matter yay or nay. It's almost 2018. Yesterday is done look forward to the sun coming out tomorrow. Oh I forgot, we live in Oregon and it's supposed to be cloudy. Oh well look forward to seeing the cloud and rain. So... what the eff is the point of the thread??? But, for the record... HE QUIT. All the available info that the public was given indicates he quit. If the info changes at a later date, it doesn't make those posts incorrect. Based on current info GA quit... and much to the delight of many fans, players, and the AD's bank account. Other than that... what is the point? Baseba1111.... I respect your opinions and insight on all that is BEAVS. But.... how bout the millions Andersen took in salary here & the millions he cost us in revenue with seats etc? How but the huge negative perception of Beav football he caused? The perception he walked away from millions, blah blah blah. He writes a statement and then poof... vanished. He absolutely should have faced the music and had a press conference to stand up and answer those hard questions. That's what happens in big boy football. You face the media, fans etc & explain just like they do in weekly coaches calls. This isn't much to ask for. Whould this ever happen at another school like this??? Quit & go dark??
|
|
|
Post by Werebeaver on Dec 27, 2017 7:48:24 GMT -8
Yes GA quit, but Barnes didn't do much if anything to try to persuade him to stay. GA quitting saved the AD from having to fire him after the season. Given that there was no believable explanation provided by either GA, SB or OSU for the reasons behind his departure it is completely predictable that people will speculate with the evidence that they have. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: Gary came to OSU with health issues which he concealed from OSU through his hiring process (eg. knowingly lied on forms). It had finally reached a crisis point that affected not only his position as OSU HC but his career moving forward. OSU therefore had leverage and offered to mutually separate from GA provided he did not claim the money left on his contract and OSU did not pursue his bad faith breach of contract acts regarding health disclosure. GA took the offer. Yes this is speculation and it is probably irresponsible but it's based on one fact that struck me from the moment he was hired. Namely, that from the day of his introductory press conference, GA never looked healthy to me.
|
|
|
Post by drunkandstoopidbeav on Dec 27, 2017 7:49:02 GMT -8
Yes GA quit, but Barnes didn't do much if anything to try to persuade him to stay. GA quitting saved the AD from having to fire him after the season. Were you in the office?
|
|
|
Post by thetruebeav on Dec 27, 2017 7:53:11 GMT -8
Yes GA quit, but Barnes didn't do much if anything to try to persuade him to stay. GA quitting saved the AD from having to fire him after the season. Given that there was no believable explanation provided by either GA, SB or OSU for the reasons behind his departure it is completely predictable that people will speculate with the evidence that they have. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: Gary came to OSU with health issues which he concealed from OSU through his hiring process (eg. knowingly lied on forms). It had finally reached a crisis point that affected not only his position as OSU HC but his career moving forward. OSU therefore had leverage and agreed to mutually separate from GA provided he did not claim the money left on his contract and OSU did not pursue his bad faith breach of contract acts regarding health disclosure. Yes this is speculation and it is probably irresponsible but it's based on one fact that struck me from the moment he was hired. Namely, that from the day of his introductory press conference, GA never looked healthy to me. Squonk this exactly what I'm saying.... he could have done the right thing and answered hard questions then these conspiracy theories wouldn't be out there.
|
|
|
Post by four2itus on Dec 27, 2017 7:59:49 GMT -8
There will be a whole bunch of people who will disagree and probably disparage me for stating "We do not know Gary Anderson quit." The press release said something to the effect that Gary Anderson and OSU mutually agreed". I have not heard one word from the two people who really know - - Gary Anderson and Scott Barnes. For all we know Scott Barnes fired GA. And came to a settlement and narrative for the press. For anyone on here to say Gary Anderson quit is wrong. If one says "in my opinion I believe that GA quit" OK. That makes it clear that you are stating an opinion. To resort to "name-calling" is poor form. I believe that those of us on this board can be better than that. Did Gary Anderson lose a lot of games - - yes. Did Gary Anderson make a bunch of bad player evaluations - - yes. Did he make what look like poor choices for coaches - - yes. Did he recruit players that didn't qualify - - yes. Did he try to fail - - I doubt it. Did he quit - - Don't know. "Shrouded in Mystery, the truth is"- Yoda. "Hmmm, this thread a mouse scroller it is not!"
|
|
|
Post by obf on Dec 27, 2017 11:27:37 GMT -8
Yes GA quit, but Barnes didn't do much if anything to try to persuade him to stay. GA quitting saved the AD from having to fire him after the season. Given that there was no believable explanation provided by either GA, SB or OSU for the reasons behind his departure it is completely predictable that people will speculate with the evidence that they have. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: Gary came to OSU with health issues which he concealed from OSU through his hiring process (eg. knowingly lied on forms). It had finally reached a crisis point that affected not only his position as OSU HC but his career moving forward. OSU therefore had leverage and offered to mutually separate from GA provided he did not claim the money left on his contract and OSU did not pursue his bad faith breach of contract acts regarding health disclosure. GA took the offer. Yes this is speculation and it is probably irresponsible but it's based on one fact that struck me from the moment he was hired. Namely, that from the day of his introductory press conference, GA never looked healthy to me. The red nose makes me think he has Rosacea... Can that be career threatening??
|
|
|
Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 11:51:32 GMT -8
There will be a whole bunch of people who will disagree and probably disparage me for stating "We do not know Gary Anderson quit." The press release said something to the effect that Gary Anderson and OSU mutually agreed". I have not heard one word from the two people who really know - - Gary Anderson and Scott Barnes. For all we know Scott Barnes fired GA. And came to a settlement and narrative for the press. For anyone on here to say Gary Anderson quit is wrong. If one says "in my opinion I believe that GA quit" OK. That makes it clear that you are stating an opinion. To resort to "name-calling" is poor form. I believe that those of us on this board can be better than that. Did Gary Anderson lose a lot of games - - yes. Did Gary Anderson make a bunch of bad player evaluations - - yes. Did he make what look like poor choices for coaches - - yes. Did he recruit players that didn't qualify - - yes. Did he try to fail - - I doubt it. Did he quit - - Don't know. I agree that name-calling is poor form. I've been guilty of it in the past and I do whatever I can to focus on the action/idea/sentiment and not the individual these days. I think sharing knowledge in a non-derisive way is the key, but I digress. The thing about a settlement is that if there was one, it would have to be public record. With the University being a public institution, all of this information must be disclosed. I suppose you could find some sort of workaround, handshake deal where a private donor put together the money for the buyout and kept it "off the books" so to speak, but that would be highly unlikely for myriad reasons, in my estimation. It's also pretty commonly accepted that Andersen tried to quit earlier in the season and Barnes convinced him to stay a few more weeks. This tracks with it being about the time that he was sending crazy "these assholes are my responsibility... I hired the wrong guys!" texts to Canzano. I think GA did hire the wrong guys. I think he knew it, and it created such a quagmire that he realized there was no way for him to claw his way back out again. I also think that Andersen is a man of honor. He made poor decisions, but I think he is a man of honor in that he felt responsibility for the mess in Valley and he committed seppuku for his sins.
|
|
|
Post by wilkyisdashiznit on Dec 27, 2017 13:16:23 GMT -8
Yes GA quit, but Barnes didn't do much if anything to try to persuade him to stay. GA quitting saved the AD from having to fire him after the season. Given that there was no believable explanation provided by either GA, SB or OSU for the reasons behind his departure it is completely predictable that people will speculate with the evidence that they have. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: Gary came to OSU with health issues which he concealed from OSU through his hiring process (eg. knowingly lied on forms). It had finally reached a crisis point that affected not only his position as OSU HC but his career moving forward. OSU therefore had leverage and offered to mutually separate from GA provided he did not claim the money left on his contract and OSU did not pursue his bad faith breach of contract acts regarding health disclosure. GA took the offer. Yes this is speculation and it is probably irresponsible but it's based on one fact that struck me from the moment he was hired. Namely, that from the day of his introductory press conference, GA never looked healthy to me. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: CGA hired poorly, and he realized that he hired poorly. He wanted to try and spend his way out of it, but Barnes, who knew the budget, told him no in no uncertain terms. CGA was left with coaching for another year-and-a-half with the hopes that he could try and fire almost everyone in 2019 and rebuild or quit. CGA realized that, unless he was as clever as he though he was at the beginning of the season, rebuilding in 2019 was a bleak crap-shoot anyway. And his personal brand was going to get hammered over the next year-and-a-half. He decided to quit and save face with the hopes of catching on somewhere else next year or the year after and rebuilding his personal brand.
|
|
|
Post by orangeattack on Dec 27, 2017 14:37:58 GMT -8
^this makes the most sense to me^
|
|