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Post by messi on Dec 27, 2017 15:21:24 GMT -8
^this makes the most sense to me^ The time stamp for your post? *snicker*
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Post by giantkillers83 on Dec 27, 2017 18:24:07 GMT -8
In perspective of his players. He quit. Nothing else matters.
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Post by nabeav on Dec 27, 2017 18:50:18 GMT -8
The hiring the wrong guys thing makes no sense. They were all on 2 year contracts from what I heard. He could’ve let them all go at no cost after 2016. Instead he re-upped all of them FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS.
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Post by seastape on Dec 28, 2017 7:53:27 GMT -8
The hiring the wrong guys thing makes no sense. They were all on 2 year contracts from what I heard. He could’ve let them all go at no cost after 2016. Instead he re-upped all of them FOR ANOTHER TWO YEARS. He had a habit of honorably blaming others for his own lack of success at OSU.
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Post by beavered on Dec 28, 2017 9:14:56 GMT -8
Given that there was no believable explanation provided by either GA, SB or OSU for the reasons behind his departure it is completely predictable that people will speculate with the evidence that they have. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: Gary came to OSU with health issues which he concealed from OSU through his hiring process (eg. knowingly lied on forms). It had finally reached a crisis point that affected not only his position as OSU HC but his career moving forward. OSU therefore had leverage and offered to mutually separate from GA provided he did not claim the money left on his contract and OSU did not pursue his bad faith breach of contract acts regarding health disclosure. GA took the offer. Yes this is speculation and it is probably irresponsible but it's based on one fact that struck me from the moment he was hired. Namely, that from the day of his introductory press conference, GA never looked healthy to me. My totally unsubstantiated speculation is this: CGA hired poorly, and he realized that he hired poorly. He wanted to try and spend his way out of it, but Barnes, who knew the budget, told him no in no uncertain terms. CGA was left with coaching for another year-and-a-half with the hopes that he could try and fire almost everyone in 2019 and rebuild or quit. CGA realized that, unless he was as clever as he though he was at the beginning of the season, rebuilding in 2019 was a bleak crap-shoot anyway. And his personal brand was going to get hammered over the next year-and-a-half. He decided to quit and save face with the hopes of catching on somewhere else next year or the year after and rebuilding his personal brand. My again, totally unsubstantiated speculation has some common elements but is a little less nefarious. Gary Andersen is basically a good man and a decent football coach. He did a respectable job at his various stints in Utah. Eventually the big boys came calling and like most competitive people, he took a swing. When he got to Wisconsin, the cracks started to show. He was probably overrated as a football coach, but still managed a decent record due to the tradition/depth/etc. and a micromanaging AD that mitigated some of the terrible personnel decisions. Eventually, this really starts to weigh on him to the point where his day to day job satisfaction was not good. And given the hours these guys have to grind, I can only imagine the toll that can take on a person. It all culminates with one of the worst conference championship beatdowns on record. Enter Oregon State.... Andersen hates where he's at. He still believes he can compete at the highest level, but not at a program where he is handcuffed in his vision. He also was somewhat straight forward about missing the western US (which in hindsight might have really meant "the Utah Valley"). Poof, a job comes open in another P5 conference but at a school without the rigid tradition and legendary former coach as AD looking over his shoulder. The west coast (and OSU in particular) has a pretty long history of recruiting Pacific Islanders, a community and people with which Andersen feels tight and views as a recruiting base. So, he makes the jump. His pitch to OSU is that "he's a builder" and wants to go somewhere and build vs. maintain something at a high level. He sold the hell out of it, and the administration and majority of fans (myself included) bought in. I think he did sincerely believe the stars were aligned and that OSU was a place he could realize his vision AND regain a level of personal satisfaction he'd lost somewhere along the way. I think things went so far south for two main reasons. First is that in hindsight, he just isn't a great football coach. Second, I think he had some sort of a mental event that was outside the realm of what most people normally experience. That's a really nice way of saying he had some form of a breakdown. He lost something when he left Utah State, thought he could regain it at Oregon State but ultimately could not. As the negative results continued to pile up, his decisions became even more questionable culminating with him throwing his staff under the bus, repeatedly, in writing. And oh by the way, to a guy who has been in the market for 15 years and has an undisputed reputation as someone that isn't afraid to share controversial information or hurt feelings. Quite frankly, I cannot believe GA has received such a pass from the media both locally and nationally. When is the last time you remember a coach in any sport throwing their subordinates under the bus in such a manner? Or having such loose lips with a guy that would obviously share every iota of information you give him if it will generate clicks? Remember the crap Nick Saban took after leaving the Dolphins? Bobby Petrino when he left the Falcons? Although both of those guys are probably class A pr!cks, and I don't like the way they handled those situations, they don't disturb me nearly as much as what Andersen did. Those guys were trying to change jobs and managed it rather poorly. The net result was that some people's feelings got hurt and a bunch of rich guys exchanged a bunch of money in a manner some of them felt to be inequitable. Gary Andersen may have cost numerous coaches the ability to support themselves by working in the profession they have chosen moving forward. Even if we overlook the logical contradictions in the whole "hired the wrong guys" argument - his sharing this opinion with someone that would obviously make it public is pretty much inexcusable. And by the way - these weren't just assistant coaches, they were friends. Many of them lived on the same street, their families were tight, etc... I think it is hard to believe that GA doesn't have/had some sort of serious mental health issue. There have been unsubstantiated rumors of family issues which could factor in as well. My hope is that the reason he's essentially disappeared is because he is somewhere where he can reflect and get some assistance in sorting out whatever is troubling him. I find it hard to believe that he could have ascended to the position he was in and earned the respect of so many if what we saw here in Corvallis was the "real" Gary Andersen. Even if every assistant on the staff was a complete idiot, insubordinate etc. then you fire them, sit them down and come up with a plan for improvement, etc... It was the ultimate b!tch move to throw them under the bus in the manner he did. And totally contrary to everything GA preached about family, process, etc.... So basically - I HOPE Gary Andersen was/is mentally ill. I know that sounds odd, but at least it gives some explanation for the disaster we saw here. More importantly, I hope he is dealing with these issues and can return to being the man/coach he appeared to be when he turned around Utah State. I stand by my opinion that his coaching ability was overrated and that he's not a P5 level head coach, but if he gets himself right I could see him carving out a fulfilling career as an assistant or even a head guy at a lower level.
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Post by obf on Dec 28, 2017 9:57:27 GMT -8
In perspective of his players. He quit. Nothing else matters. Also in the perspective of all of his assistants and staff, and in the perspective of the fans (except the OP of course).
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Post by kersting13 on Dec 28, 2017 10:20:35 GMT -8
In perspective of his players. He quit. Nothing else matters. Also in the perspective of all of his assistants and staff, and in the perspective of the fans (except the OP of course). The most likely explanation is that he quit. It's theoretically possible that it happened another way, but there are a lot of steps to take to get there. Unless someone authoritative says it was something other than quitting, then it was quitting.
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Post by orangeattack on Dec 28, 2017 11:51:06 GMT -8
^this makes the most sense to me^ The time stamp for your post? *snicker* Certainly was an inopportune time for me to get lazy and not click the quote button. STUPID PAGE TURN
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Dec 28, 2017 11:55:08 GMT -8
The "Peter Principle" manifested itself in the person of CGA. He realized it, and reacted accordingly. He was in way over his head and chose to quit digging. Kudos for that.
Go Beavs!!
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Post by four2itus on Dec 28, 2017 14:40:01 GMT -8
The time stamp for your post? *snicker* Certainly was an inopportune time for me to get lazy and not click the quote button. STUPID PAGE TURN Yes, I especially hate it when what I posted is damn near gospel and no one will read it. lol
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Post by mbabeav on Dec 29, 2017 13:58:33 GMT -8
I wish mental illness on no one
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Post by jdogge on Jan 4, 2018 7:48:21 GMT -8
It doesn't matter. He's gone and a new era of Beaver football has begun.
GO BEAVS!!!!
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Post by bucktoothvarmit on Jan 4, 2018 7:51:18 GMT -8
It doesn't matter. He's gone and a new era of Beaver football has begun. GO BEAVS!!!! Yet you chose to bump it up........smh
Go Beavs!!
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Post by atownbeaver on Jan 4, 2018 8:00:00 GMT -8
It doesn't matter. He's gone and a new era of Beaver football has begun. GO BEAVS!!!! Yet you chose to bump it up........smh
Go Beavs!!
LOL...yeah, this thread hadn't had a comment in 6 days. Ironic.
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Post by jdogge on Jan 4, 2018 8:54:49 GMT -8
Yet you chose to bump it up........smh
Go Beavs!!
LOL...yeah, this thread hadn't had a comment in 6 days. Ironic. Been busy. I don't live on this board. So, I just saw the thread.
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